To All S/c Veterans And Those Working On It...

[Meddac]

This is NOT intended to start a big squabble match nor to solicit defaming comments. Several of you know that I am here and who I work for. I only intend to help in the most sincere way. Some of you that I have contact with away from here can attest to that fact.

To all veterans: One of the quickest ways to get reduced is to lie about your conditions. You could get worse.

I had the chance encounter in the past 3 weeks to come across an increase claim for a veteran. After my usual work on the claim I did an administrative decision. That decision required my signature and 2 others. All three signatures came back to me today. As of 1:30 PM this afternoon when I left work, the claim, admin decision, and this veterans future are in dire straits. I proposed to sever all current benefits. Yes, the veteran is S/C for some things....or was S/C, and it was granted by an RO that I do not feel is up to the task of serving veterans. I would put them in your "Dirty Dozen", but I am not giving names. I had to hand carry the file to my rater to do the rating proposal. The rater was nearly done when I left for the day. My day was pretty much dead at that point. I don't feel good about what I had to do, but it was blatant and I caught it immediately.

My rater has had to do a CUE. It was CLEAR, it was UNMISTAKABLE, and it was an ERROR. I do not feel for this veteran at all, but I am also not proud of my task. I wish it had been someone elses digit, and not mine. It will cost the vet money, cause a large overpayment, and on Monday it will cost them their free medical care.

The story is very long, and I won't post it on here. It's on my chest, and I eventually have to vent it out....somehow. I just wanted you guys/gals to know that benefits can be reduced (which you already know), and that they can be taken away completely. We have a saying in our office that never really meant anything until today: "The wheels of the government move very, very slowly...but they move."

The veterean was S/C for about 3 years, and I feel like sh!t.

Sorry "c2"

Edited April 3, 2009 by Meddac

[jbasser]

Meddac, Hold your head up. You are doing your Job and I commend you for it. You caught a person who probally should have never been SC'd anyhow.

Thanks for posting this as it brings reality checks into play and proves everything may not be as it seems.

J

[Capt.]

Hello, First this type of post really has no benefit to any of us. I have been greatly troubled the minute I read it. Number one, you Meddac ,if you are for real and work in a VARO have also brought forth a veterans problems without authorization. I am not interested whether you put her name or his name, or kept it private. You drop just enough of your "facts" and then refer to everyone and anyone could have this type of problem. The problem I have is that you are to try and do your job and it should not be brought onto this board. It shows insensitivity to the members , its shows a neglect for confidentiality, regardless of noones names or such. It has accomplished what I feel may be deep down what your intent was. It lacks respect to the Veterans here and even to yourself. To make use your beauracratic brain and power to instill a sense of fright into the members on this board, that all of us should have some form of guilt, that you have taken it on yourself to spill onto this board. Its almost Gestapo like in the way you describe it. That all vets can have their claims and awards reduced or even taken away by the mighty actions of SuperRater, YOU. I personally am pissed off at you for even attempting it and it shows me a dark, evil side that you have and you are part of the VA problem and not a solution. That you paint everyone that is a vet as being in the "gray" of your little decision making world. And that all vets just are up to no good so we will deny them. Let me remind you that 80 something % of the initial claims fail at the VARO level . THATS YOU and your fellow workers. May I also remind you that 42 of the VARO thruout the country were found to have been shredding veterans documents/destroying claims and backdating according to the OIG . May I also remind you that you evidently treat all veterans claims with this same type of disdain and hatred , otherwise you would move more claims based on their merit and the backlogs would not be what it is today and loaded with 90 percent REMANDS because you Superater and your fellow workers would not follow the law in the first place and grant and move the well grounded claims that had to be decided as so by someone else .....all years down the road and at a cost of billions and billions of tax dollars , that you Mismanaged. Maybe Obama should fire you and the whole rating bunch..... surely your not going to tell me you are better than GM..... So all you really have done is shown your real feelings to all Vets and their Claims. I am , as a "real" honorably discharged vet that is sick, thru cowardice both at the VA and the DOD, tired of this same type of mindset and type of attitude that runs the VARO's. Its as if you read story after story here on the board from Veterans , crying , frustrated , dying , sick , trying to figure out why and how can my government continue to lie to me and to not read my claim . Why cant the VARO just properly by law adjudicate , award my claims? They are going to get awarded later when the BVA and COVA make you and your fellow raters follow the law. WHY CANT YOU AND YOUR FELLOW RATERS just do the right thing the FIRST TIME AROUND???? WHY??? Because you and your raters are not about to. Its too easy just to say no and stall it at the BVA for another 2-5 years. I believe your post serves noone anygood. BUT it does show us your cloak , it shows us your deceit, it shows us the real enemy of the veteran and that he was not as brave as those some fought on foreign soil an enemy with resolve, with guns , bombs, bullets and knifes.........No the battel was with the invisible weapons of deceit and using a keyboard and regulations and how to further cause problems by being incorrect in all of your doings within the CFRs. Oh yes , it may not kill as quickly as a Chicom Round, but assurdly it will kill ......only slowly , spreading to all parts of the veterans family , slowly eating up the hope until there is none. Slowly eating at the very fiber that makes our Veterans the greatness of our nation, slowing succumbing to the cancerous process that you and your raters thruout 57 Regionsl offices come and plot and grin as more die as if caught in a plaque with no cure and no discrimination. I do not feel better by reading it. Actually it is quite sad. It cannot help someone else as a result of it being read here and it only serves to drive further any thoughts of mistrust, I and the other Vets who have dealt with you and your raters of the mighty VARO. Your record speaks for itself and we and all Veterans in the system are the causualtys of this great Regional Office war. While all the while saying we have for the VA and its personnel are like you ,,,,,,if that is who you really are. The saving grace of the Veteran , his rescuer, his gallant friend. I think not. The real victims of your post is everyone that has to read it and the VET that did or did not follow procedures. At any event he or she has rights of privacy and has not been found guilty of the crimes you propose maybe not by action, but certainly by thought of mind. If you want to continue with this kind of low posting of your dark secret heart..... ...I am sure that the Star tribune or Hollywood today or any other tabloid should fit your line of work. Did you ever think that maybe , just maybe , if what you say is true , that maybe you and your fellow VARO employees , actually CREATED thisproblem and backlog in the first place. You have already given one example for certtainty. I sure dont find the Veteran at fault . Has there been a trial ,,,where is his/her due process. Oh yes it is too late for that . He or she has fallen to the desk of the rating Gulliotine and we must hurry as there are so many of these Aristocratic Veterans that we have to find....... Great sadness that when you blade does find its shaved neck of the Veteran , it only wounds him so severly that he cannot help but to loose a death sentence on anywhere from 5-10 yrs. It is you and the rest of these primadona rating "specialist" that are the real monster creators. Why cant we hear of a story of you or some of your buddys, backdating some claims, or "misplacing " one for a couple of years, or loosing a Widows DIC paperwork . I only hear your side of the story and not the Vets and this is not the place to air this kind of filth. I want to know WHAT ARE YOU REALLY DOING HERE? or with a sincere motive and heart. WHAT ARE YOUR REAL MOTIVES?. Your not a vet , and you sure dont have any Vets with their best interest at heart. The VARO SSOC denial letter prove that and all of the Veterans here can testify of the lack of fairness there. And it is EVERY SINGLE VET, not one is taken care of without major descrepencies in their claim. You bring up maybe one Vet that may or maynot be on the up and up but what about all those that are on the up and up and sick, dying, suffering ? I havent heard a word about how you are helping one of them or us and certainly havent heard a story from you in a real positive tone about a Veteran awarded his claim on the first time around and how happy you were. And what a blessing you were to him and his family. NOT ONE..... WHY NOT???? It is because it serves you and your raters at the VARO no real BENEFIT and does not fit what the true agenda of group and their evil mindset. I will not be reading anymore of your post as they are only self serving and are not , in the way you design and write them, a benefit to any Veterans or their families on this board and hopefully Tbird will strike your thread and your sensationalism from this great board. Thats all I have to say to you. God Bless everyone and Meddac you need to be real careful about what you are really up to. I do not nor will not trust you. The rest of Hadit God Bless and can do whatever they want to with you , but I spoke my mind and my heart on this on this matter. Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, for inwardly they are ravenous wolves. NEVER GIVE UP. C.C.

[simple fly]

Hello, First this type of post really has no benefit to any of us. I have been greatly troubled the minute I read it. Number one, you Meddac ,if you are for real and work in a VARO have also brought forth a veterans problems without authorization. I am not interested whether you put her name or his name, or kept it private. You drop just enough of your "facts" and then refer to everyone and anyone could have this type of problem. The problem I have is that you are to try and do your job and it should not be brought onto this board. It shows insensitivity to the members , its shows a neglect for confidentiality, regardless of noones names or such. It has accomplished what I feel may be deep down what your intent was. It lacks respect to the Veterans here and even to yourself. To make use your beauracratic brain and power to instill a sense of fright into the members on this board, that all of us should have some form of guilt, that you have taken it on yourself to spill onto this board. Its almost Gestapo like in the way you describe it. That all vets can have their claims and awards reduced or even taken away by the mighty actions of SuperRater, YOU. I personally am pissed off at you for even attempting it and it shows me a dark, evil side that you have and you are part of the VA problem and not a solution. That you paint everyone that is a vet as being in the "gray" of your little decision making world. And that all vets just are up to no good so we will deny them. Let me remind you that 80 something % of the initial claims fail at the VARO level . THATS YOU and your fellow workers. May I also remind you that 42 of the VARO thruout the country were found to have been shredding veterans documents/destroying claims and backdating according to the OIG . May I also remind you that you evidently treat all veterans claims with this same type of disdain and hatred , otherwise you would move more claims based on their merit and the backlogs would not be what it is today and loaded with 90 percent REMANDS because you Superater and your fellow workers would not follow the law in the first place and grant and move the well grounded claims that had to be decided as so by someone else .....all years down the road and at a cost of billions and billions of tax dollars , that you Mismanaged. Maybe Obama should fire you and the whole rating bunch..... surely your not going to tell me you are better than GM..... So all you really have done is shown your real feelings to all Vets and their Claims. I am , as a "real" honorably discharged vet that is sick, thru cowardice both at the VA and the DOD, tired of this same type of mindset and type of attitude that runs the VARO's. Its as if you read story after story here on the board from Veterans , crying , frustrated , dying , sick , trying to figure out why and how can my government continue to lie to me and to not read my claim . Why cant the VARO just properly by law adjudicate , award my claims? They are going to get awarded later when the BVA and COVA make you and your fellow raters follow the law. WHY CANT YOU AND YOUR FELLOW RATERS just do the right thing the FIRST TIME AROUND???? WHY??? Because you and your raters are not about to. Its too easy just to say no and stall it at the BVA for another 2-5 years. I believe your post serves noone anygood. BUT it does show us your cloak , it shows us your deceit, it shows us the real enemy of the veteran and that he was not as brave as those some fought on foreign soil an enemy with resolve, with guns , bombs, bullets and knifes.........No the battel was with the invisible weapons of deceit and using a keyboard and regulations and how to further cause problems by being incorrect in all of your doings within the CFRs. Oh yes , it may not kill as quickly as a Chicom Round, but assurdly it will kill ......only slowly , spreading to all parts of the veterans family , slowly eating up the hope until there is none. Slowly eating at the very fiber that makes our Veterans the greatness of our nation, slowing succumbing to the cancerous process that you and your raters thruout 57 Regionsl offices come and plot and grin as more die as if caught in a plaque with no cure and no discrimination. I do not feel better by reading it. Actually it is quite sad. It cannot help someone else as a result of it being read here and it only serves to drive further any thoughts of mistrust, I and the other Vets who have dealt with you and your raters of the mighty VARO. Your record speaks for itself and we and all Veterans in the system are the causualtys of this great Regional Office war. While all the while saying we have for the VA and its personnel are like you ,,,,,,if that is who you really are. The saving grace of the Veteran , his rescuer, his gallant friend. I think not. The real victims of your post is everyone that has to read it and the VET that did or did not follow procedures. At any event he or she has rights of privacy and has not been found guilty of the crimes you propose maybe not by action, but certainly by thought of mind. If you want to continue with this kind of low posting of your dark secret heart..... ...I am sure that the Star tribune or Hollywood today or any other tabloid should fit your line of work. Did you ever think that maybe , just maybe , if what you say is true , that maybe you and your fellow VARO employees , actually CREATED thisproblem and backlog in the first place. You have already given one example for certtainty. I sure dont find the Veteran at fault . Has there been a trial ,,,where is his/her due process. Oh yes it is too late for that . He or she has fallen to the desk of the rating Gulliotine and we must hurry as there are so many of these Aristocratic Veterans that we have to find....... Great sadness that when you blade does find its shaved neck of the Veteran , it only wounds him so severly that he cannot help but to loose a death sentence on anywhere from 5-10 yrs. It is you and the rest of these primadona rating "specialist" that are the real monster creators. Why cant we hear of a story of you or some of your buddys, backdating some claims, or "misplacing " one for a couple of years, or loosing a Widows DIC paperwork . I only hear your side of the story and not the Vets and this is not the place to air this kind of filth. I want to know WHAT ARE YOU REALLY DOING HERE? or with a sincere motive and heart. WHAT ARE YOUR REAL MOTIVES?. Your not a vet , and you sure dont have any Vets with their best interest at heart. The VARO SSOC denial letter prove that and all of the Veterans here can testify of the lack of fairness there. And it is EVERY SINGLE VET, not one is taken care of without major descrepencies in their claim. You bring up maybe one Vet that may or maynot be on the up and up but what about all those that are on the up and up and sick, dying, suffering ? I havent heard a word about how you are helping one of them or us and certainly havent heard a story from you in a real positive tone about a Veteran awarded his claim on the first time around and how happy you were. And what a blessing you were to him and his family. NOT ONE..... WHY NOT???? It is because it serves you and your raters at the VARO no real BENEFIT and does not fit what the true agenda of group and their evil mindset. I will not be reading anymore of your post as they are only self serving and are not , in the way you design and write them, a benefit to any Veterans or their families on this board and hopefully Tbird will strike your thread and your sensationalism from this great board. Thats all I have to say to you. God Bless everyone and Meddac you need to be real careful about what you are really up to. I do not nor will not trust you. The rest of Hadit God Bless and can do whatever they want to with you , but I spoke my mind and my heart on this on this matter. Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, for inwardly they are ravenous wolves. NEVER GIVE UP. C.C.

what he said!!!!!!!!!

[livingrock21]

I want to say first off, I'm not here to make any enemies, or step on anyones toes.

With that being said, I think you two(simplefly and Capt.Contaminate) are both way out of line. Granted, I can see how meddac's post might come off as being insincere, but you can't honestly think a person working for who he does, to come onto this forum and broadcast what he did, is "out to get veterans". He's posting this to simply let it be known that a vet can, and will loose their benefits for a fraudulent claim. As they should. Like I said before, for you to honestly believe that he's comming on here to "show" what the "big bad VA is going to do to all us vets" is crazy. I'm not calling you crazy, I'm just saying maybe a step back and re-evaluating the post is necessary.

With all that being said, I first hand, can attest to meddacs willingness to go above and beyond. I wish there was some "approve" button that he could push to get my claim throgh, but theirs not. But, what he has done, is steping in where my VSO left off(which wasn't very far). He's been a great attribute to my appeal, same as this forum. If not for him, I'd be twiddling my thumbs, and hoping for the best(which in my case, wouldn't have been a good outcome). Please don't bash this guy, his heart is in the right place. Just because their are other lazy, incompetent VSR's and DRO's out there, doesn't mean they all are. That comment is comming from someone who hasn't had a competent VA employee touch my claim thus far. The reason I know there are good hearted, hard working VA employee's is due to meddac, and the willingness of him to go the extra mile for me.

With everything that I just said, being said, you can't blame the guy for doing what he did. If you do, then... Well, I could go there, but it wouldn't be doing any good. I'm pretty sure all of us what all the fraudulent claims/appeals gone so our legitimate claims can get through. Besides all of that, if you feel offended, which I really don't see how anyone on here could, then just do as you say your going to do, and ignore his posts from now on. Then it can't offend you.

Meddac, please keep doing what your doing. Like I said earlier on in this post, your a great asset to this forum, to the VA, and to myself. Please keep your head up.

I also want to reiterate that I didn't mean to offend anyone, and I don't want to make any enemies, but I can't let the bashing happen without a little bit of defense from me on meddac's behalf. Please don't take anything I said the wrong way. I know that both of you(simplefly and CC) are also great assets to this site, and have seen both of you give great advice to other vets. I hope I didn't p*ss either of you off. If I did, I want to pre-appoligize.

P.S. I want to appoligize for all the spelling mistakes. It's late, and one of my meds kicked in while writing this post.

[Tbird]

meddac - i appreciate sharing this with us and i think i understand where you are coming from.

i think it's hits a nerve with some folks, but, folks you have to remember that not everyone who works for the va is bad, they are not. generalized statement they are all worthless or similar statements are just as bad as generalized negative statements about veterans.

that being said, if someone from the va with inside knowledge wants to post, it is a big plus for us, please put your pitchforks and torches down.

it is a said fact that through the years i have been doing this, i have run across a few fraudulent veterans, sometimes not till have i have spent quite a bit of time working with them on their claim. it is frustrating, i could have been helping someone with a valid claim. it's certainly a small number, but it has happened to me.

so let's just all take a breath and accept the information as it was given, without judgement. meddac is not talking about all veterans he/she is talking about 1 veteran and his pain in having to do this, even though it was the right thing,

[hollywoodnc]

It is worth mentioning that not all Veterans are honest, and there are those who will defraud the Gov't.

Yet, there is a 'Flip Side' to the story also...

eg: My most recent C&P exam, the examiner had stated: "I don't understand how this Veteran was considered as S/C to begin with."

Following the protocol of the DVA, this could conceivably have an adverse effect on my claim.

HISTORY:

Prior to enlisting, AFEES insisted on an old X-Ray to compare with their X-ray...everything was fine, and I was inducted.

In Sept. 1975, I entered the service with 3 Knowles Pins. I had full ROM, and no difficulty whatsoever with the pins.

While on Bivouac, I had hit a sand pit, and came down hard on that hip. I suspect that I had suffered from a Compression fx, because the doctor noticed that one pin was penetrating the joint space.

After a hearing in Washington, DC, the "Board" determined that I was considered as Service Connected, and that I was to be discharged immediately, even though I requested to stay.

Theoretically, and legally speaking, I was Discriminated against by the US Gov't., when they discharged me due to my disabling condition.

So, the questions arise...

Was a pin actually penetrating the joint space PRIOR TO enlistment (and wasn't noticed), OR did it occur during Bivouac? Regardless of either, should I have been allowed to enlist in the first place?

Theoretically, someone at AFEES screwed up, and I shouldn't have been allowed to enlist.

Back to the 'Flip Side'...

The examiner had NO RIGHT to offer such an opinion. Furthermore, she is not a qualified Orthopedic doctor, but a general practitioner.

Additionally, the BVA had ordered the DVA to set up an appointment for me to see a qualified Orthopedic doctor. The DVA (over a year later) decided to set an appointment with this clown.

Doing so, put my claim in a compromising position, thus making me look bad (filing fraudulent claims) from here on in.

When adjudicators, rating specialists, et al, see this damning info in my records, ALL will start to question the validity of any and all future claims that I file.

When you review YOUR entire claims file, do you notice any defaming comments that are not necessarily accurate to downright false and misleading? Isn't this considered as "Libalise"(sic), being that it is viewed time and time again to determine eligibility? So in effect, are the doctors (if you want to consider them as such) at the DVA committing Defamation of Character in a grand scale, to a majority of legitimately disabled Veterans?

As you are all aware, DVA employees view opinions made by these incompetent morons as GOSPEL!

So, going on the premise of what was made by the originator of this thread, did the same sort of doctor render the same sort of opinion, making this a "Fraudulent Claim"?

Food for thought...