tdiu What Is P & T?

[Fire Courage]

I have searched the board, but can't find anything that actually says what the two letters stand for. I'm thinking it has something to do with unemployability though. Right?

I did find this link in another post here which breaks down a lot of common acronyms used on this board but P & T wasn't listed.

http://www.hadit.com/index.php?categoryid=33

Thanks

[pacmanx1]

P & T stands for Permanent and Total Disability, basically means that your conditions are not likely to get better but VA can still re-evaluate you from time to time.

Edited December 17, 2009 by pacmanx1

[Loma Linda Bill]

P & T stands for Permanent and Total Disability, basically means that your conditions are not likely to get better but VA can still re-evaluate you from time to time.

Pete,

how long did it take you to get this done and did you use your primary va doctor ?

Thanks,

loma linda bill

[pacmanx1]

It took 14 years, I think my file has every VA doctor you can think of: primary care, dermatologist, rhuematologist, neurologist, psychiatrist, gastroenterologist,urologist and maybe more that I can't think of over the years. My spelling maybe off but it took me a while.

[Teac]

The VA does not use the term P&T, which as has already be stated means Permanent and total. A veteran knows he is P&T when they are awarded dependant chapter 35 benefits, or dependant medical care. Veteran may request they be considered P&T, but the va must consider it when any TDIU or 100% rating is awarded. In many cases P&T is granted with out a seperate request. P&T is not a VA term, but a term used by veterans to indicate they have or want dependent benefits.

[pacmanx1]

The VA does not use the term P&T, which as has already be stated means Permanent and total. A veteran knows he is P&T when they are awarded dependant chapter 35 benefits, or dependant medical care. Veteran may request they be considered P&T, but the VA must consider it when any TDIU or 100% rating is awarded. In many cases P&T is granted with out a seperate request. P&T is not a VA term, but a term used by veterans to indicate they have or want dependent benefits.

TEAC, If VA does not use the term P & T then can you please explain. Also I am 100% P & T and with my award I was sent a VA Form 21-8760 (ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR VETERANS WITH SERVICE-CONNECTED PERMANENT AND TOTAL DISABILITY)

Veterans get this term directly from the regulation and the forms provided by VA, it's their term not ours. Unfortunately I can not find this form on line and I can not scan and post it but other can verify that it does exist and it is where the term P & T comes from.

4.15 Total disability rating

The ability to overcome the handicap of disability varies widely among individuals. The rating, however, is based primarily upon the average impairment in earning capacity, that is, upon the economic or industrial handicap which must be overcome and not from individual success in overcoming it. However, full consideration must be given to unusual physical or mental effects in individual cases, to peculiar effects of occupational activities, to defects in physical or mental endowment preventing the usual amount of success in overcoming the handicap of disability and to the effect of combinations of disability. Total disability will be considered to exist when there is present any impairment of mind or body which is sufficient to render it impossible for the average person to follow a substantially gainful occupation; Provided, That permanent total disability shall be taken to exist when the impairment is reasonably certain to continue throughout the life of the disabled person.

Edited December 18, 2009 by pacmanx1

[Teac]

TEAC, If VA does not use the term P & T then can you please explain. Also I am 100% P & T and with my award I was sent a VA Form 21-8760 (ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR VETERANS WITH SERVICE-CONNECTED PERMANENT AND TOTAL DISABILITY)

Veterans get this term directly from the regulation and the forms provided by VA, it's their term not ours. Unfortunately I can not find this form on line and I can not scan and post it but other can verify that it does exist and it is where the term P & T comes from.

4.15 Total disability rating

The ability to overcome the handicap of disability varies widely among individuals. The rating, however, is based primarily upon the average impairment in earning capacity, that is, upon the economic or industrial handicap which must be overcome and not from individual success in overcoming it. However, full consideration must be given to unusual physical or mental effects in individual cases, to peculiar effects of occupational activities, to defects in physical or mental endowment preventing the usual amount of success in overcoming the handicap of disability and to the effect of combinations of disability. Total disability will be considered to exist when there is present any impairment of mind or body which is sufficient to render it impossible for the average person to follow a substantially gainful occupation; Provided, That permanent total disability shall be taken to exist when the impairment is reasonably certain to continue throughout the life of the disabled person.

I have been told by a va rating specialist that the va does not use the term in the mannor that veterans use the term. To veterans P&T means that they get dependant education and medical benefits. To the va P&T has nothing to do with dependant education or medical benefits, the va does not use the term "P&T" to discribe these benefits. In fact I challange any veteran to show that there award of chapter 35 or champva benefits even mentioned "P&T". As I said the va does not use this term in conjuction with these benefits. In addition one can be rated Permanent and total... with out dependant benefits. Ie: 100% temporary award. Again the term has nothing to do with dependant benefits. Usually the only way a veteran knows they are actually considered "P&T" is when the award letter states chapter 35 benefits are awarded. But again the term P&T is not used by the va in the same mannor that veterans use it.

I also refer you to the BVN where this has been discussed many times and Crusier and other va employees have stated that the va does not equate "P&T" to anything other than a 100% rating.