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    • NOD / DRO or TARP?
      All, Thank you for the response's. Due to me posting all of my documents intermittently, there seems to be some confusion with the timeline and issues. I will attempt to run thru this chronologically and repost all documents including my 2015 decision which I had not previously posted and answer all questions. March 2009- Filed original Claim for the following issues and received results October 2009 (see 2009 - Rating Sheet below) I do not have the entire decision packet: TBI - 10 % SC Residuals, gallbladder removal - 0% SC Back Condition - declined SC Psoriasis - declined SC PTSD - declined SC / Stressor conceded as combat action badge. October 2010 - Filed NOD / DRO for PTSD March - 2011 - Appeal decision received. I never stated that PTSD was due to MST. The paragraph on page 2 of 2011Appeal decision below is just the last part of 10 pages that I cut out covering rules and US code that they sent in the letter. The actual decision starts at the bottom of that page. Results: PTSD declined - I did not submit any new evidence. Diagnosed as "adjustment disorder with mixed anxiety and depressed mood". Blamed on me worrying about my husband returning to Iraq, even though he had just returned??? October 2014  - Initiated following claims: (I had transferred to the North Texas VA and had finally began receiving treatment after being fed up with OKC VA. I live in southern Oklahoma, so its a drive for me to go to either one) PTSD - Re-open Claim. TBI - Request for increase. May 2015 -  I reported for C&P exams at the Dallas VA clinic for PTSD and TBI. I'm not sure if this is relevant, but I received a call while my husband and were driving there stating that the TBI examiner had to leave early and that they would have to re-schedule that exam. I protested because it is a 3 hour drive. They called me back 10 minutes later stating that he would conduct the exam. He seemed pissed the whole time. His not stated that No TBI residuals were present.  This is also the exam where the PTSD screener stated "However, it should be pointed out that most of the symptoms the veteran described during today's MH examination certainly those common to a PTSD diagnosis- she also described during her 7/8/09 Initial PTSD examination, in Oklahoma City, three years PRIOR to her son's illness."  ( see 2015 C&P exam notes below) June 2015 - Latest decision received. Results (see 2015 - decision part 1 &2 below): TBI - Decreased to 0% SC PTSD - 50% SC May 2016 - Wondering what my best next COA should be? Would like to get PTSD effective date back to 2009 and get TBI increased to at least percentage it was before. I have about 50 days to file my NOD. Q&A: Berta: What did the C & P doc diagnose you with? 2009 - TBI (SC) and adjustment disorder with mixed anxiety and depressed mood (not SC) 2015 - No TBI residuals and PTSD w/ major depressive disorder.   Berta: Have you googled the doctor who did the C & P? I do not know the Doctor's name from 2009. But I have found several articles referring a Dr. Gail Poyner who was conducting PTSD exams at OKC VA at the time. She was fired from the VA in 2010 for applying test to Veterans to see if they were malingering or faking. He research paper can be found here: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12207-010-9076-x?LI=true I would like to have my C-File to see if she conducted the evaluation.   Gastone: What did you claim as the PTSD Stressors in your 09 app for PTSD? Combat Action Badge   Gastone: The 1st Denial, discussed "No Evidence of Personal Assault," MST? No MST ever claimed. The paragraph that covers MST due to MST was just the last paragraph of 10 pages of regulations that they sent with the decision. Actual decision starts at the bottom of that page.   Gastone: Did you know anything about the DRO Process Requirement, for the N & M Evidence? I did. My fault I didn't send any. I was fed up with OKC VA and assumed they would send me for a new C&P exam. Stupid on my part.   Gastone: Did you ever get a copy of your 09 PTSD C & P DBQ? No, I did not. Blue button records do not go back that far. I have requested a copy of my C-File. EBenefits states that I will get it between NOV 2017 and NOV 2018.   Gastone:  Do you currently have a VA MH Psychiatrist/Psychologist that treats you on a regular basis? I was being seen at Bohnam, TX VA. After they kept switching Dr's a few times, I now just get my meds re-filled thru my family physician. My husband is active duty, so we are on tri-care prime remote. I also qualify for VA choice, but have not used it.   Gastone: Have they given you an official PTSD DX? I have a PTSD diagnosis and receive 50% SC in 2015.   Berta: Did they have the incident reports? I faxed in two incident reports. They do not show on the evidence list, but stressor was conceded with CAB.   Flores97: Email congressman for C-File. Thank You for the advice. I emailed my congressman today and reiterated the time crunch I am under.     2011 - Appeal decision.pdf 2015 - C&P exam Notes.pdf 2015 - decision part 1.pdf 2015 - decision part 2.pdf 2009 - Rating Sheet.pdf
    • Full Knee Replacement
      I just came back from the Ortho doctor in town he said I need a full knee replacement for my service connected injury after looking at past 11 years of x-rays from the VA and what he just took today. The Marine Corps. somehow don't keep x-rays after a certain period of time. The VA says they will not do one until I'm 60 years old, all they wanted to do was give me injections for the pain. What I have now is a Torn ACL and I'm running bone on bone, and my knee cap is just about gone so here is the question. I already receive 20% for my left knee, due to the past 3 surgery's. So after having the knee replacement what will I be looking at? for an increase? Does the VA have to pay for this since I live 178 miles from the Nearest VA hospital? because they are still telling me if you were injured on active duty you must go to the VA hospital even through the VA says They will not do a knee replacement until I'm 60? I already talked to two Veterans in town at the Vet center and they had the same problem but they paid for it out of their own pocket for the surgery then filed for an increase award. So far they are still waiting for the VA to answer them back. any ideals on the best route to take? I hate to get this done out in a local hospital then fine out the VA will not pay and give me an increase for the full knee replacement. Thank for any information on this subject.
    • CUE? Not using SMR?
      I'm trying to piece together every decision and the docs from the c-file. I cannot for the life of me find the evidence listed as "treatment records from VAMC dated Sept 2003 and received 10-23-03.  Are they required to have the actual document/documents in the c-file as evidence? Also, there certainly were more progress notes about the foot conditions outside of Sept 2003. Would they have been required to get all records on condition from the VAMC?     Thanks as usual!
    • Code Sheet
      A filing for a disease secondary to an existing one is not an increase. Each disease that evolvves as a secondary is a stand alone claim. If you win, the rating diagnostic code will be an amalgam of the primary rating such as DC 7354 for hepatitis C and the second disease such as Porphyria cutanea tarda. The rating sheet would read 7354-7815. I have two like that. the other one is 7354-7700 ( 60% anemia -old 1994 DC 7700). I appealed for 100% for it based on the similarity to 4.115a (dialysis) because there was no 100% rating for porphyria phlebotomies-just 40% under DC 7704. It's called rating by analogy when there is no specific code for a disease/injury. Look at 38 CFRs 4.20 and 4.27   § 4.20 Analogous ratings. When an unlisted condition is encountered it will be permissible to rate under a closely related disease or injury in which not only the functions affected, but the anatomical localization and symptomatology are closely analogous. Conjectural analogies will be avoided, as will the use of analogous ratings for conditions of doubtful diagnosis, or for those not fully supported by clinical and laboratory findings. Nor will ratings assigned to organic diseases and injuries be assigned by analogy to conditions of functional origin § 4.27 The diagnostic code numbers appearing opposite the listed ratable disabilities are arbitrary numbers for the purpose of showing the basis of the evaluation assigned and for statistical analysis in the Department of Veterans Affairs, and as will be observed, extend from 5000 to a possible 9999. Great care will be exercised in the selection of the applicable code number and in its citation on the rating sheet. No other numbers than these listed or hereafter furnished are to be employed for rating purposes, with an exception as described in this section, as to unlisted conditions. When an unlisted disease, injury, or residual condition is encountered, requiring rating by analogy, the diagnostic code number will be “built-up” as follows: The first 2 digits will be selected from that part of the schedule most closely identifying the part, or system, of the body involved; the last 2 digits will be “99” for all unlisted conditions. This procedure will facilitate a close check of new and unlisted conditions, rated by analogy. In the selection of code numbers, injuries will generally be represented by the number assigned to the residual condition on the basis of which the rating is determined. With diseases, preference is to be given to the number assigned to the disease itself; if the rating is determined on the basis of residual conditions, the number appropriate to the residual condition will be added, preceded by a hyphen. Thus, rheumatoid (atrophic) arthritis rated as ankylosis of the lumbar spine should be coded “5002-5240.” In this way, the exact source of each rating can be easily identified. In the citation of disabilities on rating sheets, the diagnostic terminology will be that of the medical examiner, with no attempt to translate the terms into schedule nomenclature. Residuals of diseases or therapeutic procedures will not be cited without reference to the basic disease.
    • CUE? Not using SMR?
      He had 3 0% disabilities that were combined to make the 10%. I guess that ended when he was awarded 30% PTSD IN 2003. 
    • Auto Adaptive Reimbursement
      He deals with a rep in Tucson but I think that falls under Phoenix.It was the Tucson rep that told him that they stopped doing it.I found the link you posted before I asked the question on here.I just wanted to make sure it was still an active program.I will pass this on to him.Thanks.
    • A Tid bit of good news
      I just wanted to post this as I think it counts as some good news.  I received a letter from my lender stating that my student loans have been forgiven.  I should receive a discharge statement here within 4 to 6 weeks.  Although I received a letter from SS on my denial for qualifying for benefits, this student loan news has put a smile on my face.  Onward and forward I shall go.
    • Space A Travel For 100% Pt Sc Dav Petition
      Further research https://rules.house.gov/bill/113/hr-4435 http://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/BILIFL_019_xml516141039463946.pdf   Rules #1 Revised] AMENDMENT TO THE RULES COMMITTEE PRINT FOR H.R. 4435 OFFERED BY MR. BILIRAKIS OF FLORIDA At the end of subtitle C of title VI, add the following new section: 1 SEC. 6ll. TRANSPORTATION ON MILITARY AIRCRAFT ON 2 A SPACE-AVAILABLE BASIS FOR DISABLED 3 VETERANS WITH A SERVICE-CONNECTED, 4 PERMANENT DISABILITY RATED AS TOTAL. 5 (a) AVAILABILITY OF TRANSPORTATION.—Section 6 2641b of title 10, United States Code, is amended— 7 (1) by redesignating subsection (f) as sub- 8 section (g); and 9 (2) by inserting after subsection (e) the fol- 10 lowing new subsection (f): 11 ‘‘(f) SPECIAL PRIORITY FOR CERTAIN DISABLED 12 VETERANS.—(1) The Secretary of Defense shall provide, 13 at no additional cost to the Department of Defense and 14 with no aircraft modification, transportation on scheduled 15 and unscheduled military flights within the continental 16 United States and on scheduled overseas flights operated 17 by the Air Mobility Command on a space-available basis VerDate 0ct 09 2002 10:37 May 15, 2014 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 C:\USERS\GMKOSTKA\APPDATA\ROAMING\SOFTQUAD\XMETAL\7.0\GEN\C\BILIFL~1.XM May 15, 2014 (10:37 a.m.) F les #1 Revised] 1 for any veteran with a service-connected, permanent dis- 2 ability rated as total. 3 ‘‘(2) Notwithstanding subsection (d)(1), in estab- 4 lishing space-available transportation priorities under the 5 travel program, the Secretary shall provide transportation 6 under paragraph (1) on the same basis as such transpor- 7 tation is provided to members of the armed forces entitled 8 to retired or retainer pay. 9 ‘‘(3) The requirement to provide transportation on 10 Department of Defense aircraft on a space-available basis 11 on the priority basis described in paragraph (2) to vet- 12 erans covered by this subsection applies whether or not 13 the travel program is established under this section. 14 ‘‘(4) In this subsection, the terms ‘veteran’ and ‘serv- 15 ice-connected’ have the meanings given those terms in sec- 16 tion 101 of title 38.’’. 17 (b) EFFECTIVE DATE.—Subsection (f) of section 18 2641b of title 10, United States Code, as added by sub- 19 section (a), shall take effect at the end of the 90-day pe- 20 riod beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act. ◊ VerDate 0ct 09 2002 10:37 May 15, 2014 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt     ----------------- I copied and pasted this in case it disappears, I also saved it from the site.
    • Space A Travel For 100% Pt Sc Dav Petition
      This is what I read   I'm a 100% DAV. Can I travel Space-A? Retirees (meaning those with a blue DD Form 2 including medically-retired) are eligible for Space-A. Despite rumors to the contrary, 100 percent disabled veterans in possession of DD Form 1173 or DD Form 2765 (replaces the DD Form 1173) identification cards are NOT entitled to Space-A travel aboard DoD aircraft. If your ID card is brown and the bottom right says "DAVPRM" (Disabled Veteran Permanent) then there is no entitlement for Space-A travel. Any changes to Space-A eligibility rules will be published as an immediate change to DoD 4515.13r and advertised accordingly (Reiteration HQ AMC/DONP 091704z Mar 99 and Reference PASSENGER SERVICE UPDATE DTG: 261800Z OCT 01 para 1.H). If it helps any, here's a small compilation of various efforts that folks have sent me that involve expanding the Space-A privilege to 100 Percent DAVs, widows, widowers, etc.... FY15 NDAA FY12 NDAA Bill S-1768 Bottom Line as of May 2015: Per AMC HQ, regarding H.R. 4435 Amendment 15 stating that 100% disabled veterans can fly Space-A, no guidance has been passed down to terminals to allow this. Until the DoD issues a memo incorporating any changes into DoD's Transportation Regulation  http://www.spacea.net/faqs/spacea-eligibility http://milvetstravel.net/dod.html  

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Thailand Ao Vets Important New C & P Bulletin

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This change in policy could warrant a better EED for some AO Thailand veterans.

Source of pdf: Kurt Priessmann

Thailand new C& P & Bulletin Jan 2012.pdf

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Thats great, thanks Berta. I hope that VA will try to find all these Vet's that serve in Thailand. But I know they will do their best to hide this!

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Thanks Berta. If I read the bulletin correctly my diabetes claim which I originally filed in Feb of 2008 then reopened in Oct of 2009 if approved by the VA will have an effective date of Feb 2008 and not Oct 2009.

Rick

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BTW , Kurt Priessman is the source of this bulletin and yes I agree with your assessment of the proper EED. as February 2008.

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Kurt has been a great help to us Thailand vets, I talked with him a couple of years ago and he really helped me after my original claim for DMII and heart problems was denied in 2008. I reopened my DMII claim in 2009 with all the information that Kurt has up on the net and the VA denied to claim in 2010, ignoring all of the evidence that I submitted and claiming that herbicides were never use in Thailand, I appealed last August resubmitting everything that I had sent in 2009 along with the copy of the May 2010 bulletin. When the VA added IHD in 2009 I reopened my heart claim. I'm still waiting to hear on that claim. According to "Peggy" the IHD claim was closed Apr of 2011 but I haven't heard anything yet, I also have an appeal on my knees going since 2009. If they ever decide to grant sc for the IHD that may also go back to 2008.

Berta, I want to thank you for all the help and encouragement you have given us especially myself.

Rick

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Bumping up for Thailand vet

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I am Thailand Vet. Takhli RTAFB 12/66 - 12/67. Filed for s/c for DM2 due to direct exposure in 10/2001, shortly after Clinton had diabetes put on the list. Waco, denied, I appealed, went through NODS, SOCs, SSOCs, and finally the BVA, a lawyer got it into the CAVC, at which time it was remanded to the AMC (Appeals Mgt Center and/or the Waco Regional Office) in early 2008. Kept asking for info which I sent. Then in early 2012 got another SSOC at which time my VSO and I sent in the docs (CHECO, & Base Defense of Thai Bases, and map of base). Not a word from them until I noticed in "ebenefits" that a decision had been made. Got the big envelope today, and wouldn't you know it has been remanded again. In Jan this year along with the CHECK, I sent a couple of buddy type emails stating that the NCO "hootches" were right by the flightline, etc. All this was mentioned in their response today. They have asked the JSRRC (Joint Svc Records Research Center) for the second time to attempt to find records of hericide use/storage at Takhli during my tour of duty 12/66 - 12/67, even though DOD has confirmed that they were used in the 60's and 70's. Please, would anyone have any insight/opinions as to what my next move should be? Sorry for the book. THANKS in Advance!!

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“In Jan this year along with the CHECK, I sent a couple of buddy type emails stating that the NCO "hootches" were right by the flightline,” I think you mean the CHECO Report????

Did your MOS or NSO status put you into those hootches?

The Buddy statements need to follow a brief criteria here at hadit, I don't think the VA will accept those emails unless they involve this criteria with identifying info.

The Thailand Directive is here:

Also we did shows at SVR Radio available in the SVR archives here on this directive.

http://www.svr-radio.com/archives.html

The show with Kurt was in March 2010 regarding the VA directive (which was due to his work)

“VA Compensation and Pension Service (C&P) has determined that a special consideration of herbicide exposure on a factual basis should be extended to Veterans whose duties placed them on or near the perimeters of Thailand military bases when a Veteran with service in Thailand during the Vietnam Era claims a disability based on herbicide exposure. The Veteran must have served with the U.S. Air Force in Thailand during the Vietnam Era at one of the Royal Thai Air Force Bases (RTAFBs) at U-Tapao, Ubon, Nakhon Phanom, Udorn, Takhli, Korat, or Don Muang, and as an Air Force security policeman, security patrol dog handler, member of the security police squadron, or otherwise near the air base perimeter as shown by evidence of daily work duties, performance evaluation reports, or other credible evidence. VA Manual M21-1 Manual Rewrite, Part IV, ii, 2., Chapter.10.q (2010). “

From:http://www.va.gov/vetapp/wraper_bva.asp?file=/vetapp11/Files2/1111819.txt

“Please, would anyone have any insight/opinions as to what my next move should be? “

1.write to JSRRC yourself- their contact info is here and give them as many details as you can.

2. Ask the buddy's to prepare letters instead of their emails following the Buddy Statement criteria ere.

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Berta, Thanks for the quick reply. Sorry for the typo "CHECK" versus "CHECO". Have been a subscriber to hadit for quite sometime, just not an active one. Shame on me. Could you please point me to the contact info for "JSRRC" including the phone number, if possible.

The area where the hootches were located were our living quarters. All NCOs lived there regardless of MOS or AFSC. Don't understand the acronym "NSO".

Since replying to the VA in Jan, I have located pictures of the areas outside the perimeters of the Takhli base. One or two were taken in the 1966/67 time frame by an enlisted guy from a helicopter ride above the base and clearly shows an environment devoid of any greenery/vegetation.

Didn't get into it, but my claim was for s/c due to being regularly pulled for a detail called FOD. Essentially this stands for foreign object damage, or walking the flightline and perimeter areas looking for and picking up objects that could be sucked into an aircraft causing untold thousands of dollars in damage and possibly lives. My MOS/AFSC did not cover this detail. Was an admin type in a command post (SAC) which was located within 100 yards or so from the actual flightline where we parked the KC-135's (refueling aircraft). Refueling was the mission of the unit I was assigned to.

Am reviewing the links you sent as well as listening to some of the SVR broadcasts.

Thanks Much Berta,

A.L. Utley (texvet62)

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Sorry! Big Typo on my part -

I meant NCO -did you live the NCO hootches while TDY in Thailand?

JSRRC contact info here:

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Texvet;

The hootches at Korat were also near the preimeter. Is it possible for you to get buddy letters from some of the people that were at Takhli at the same time that you were and knew that you regularly pulled FOD detail, if they're in the proper format they may help. What always amazed me is that not once during the time I was at Korat was the grass around the hootches green and it rained almost every day.

Rick

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"Dust or soil particles contaminated with TCDD can remain airborne or accumulate on indoor or outdoor work surfaces and may present a potential exposure hazard. Exposure to TCDD as a vapor will normally be negligible because of its low vapor pressure. Contact with TCDD-contaminated liquids is possible through the handling of drums or tanks containing the liquid or through dispersion of the liquid."

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/84-104/

THe above statement is part of this cdc study from 1984 under:

Nature of Occupational Exposure to TCDD

If you worked outside on any base recorded as being sprayed with AO, in Thailand, this study has been filed sucessfully by Thailand vets,for AO exposure by airborne vapor...in AO claims...

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Thanks much Berta, buickx and computer tech for the info. Belong to the 355TFW Group web site and looking there also. Appears to be lots of info relating to a/o herbicides. I worked at Takhli for the entire year 12/66 - 12/67. Got Vietnam Service Medal with two stars, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal with Palm Device, etc......Thinking of gathering as much info/pictures as I can and then compiling it orderly and writing JSRRC. Saw Kurt's comment where allegedly Alvin Young coined the phrase "tactical herbicides" because it suited his purposes I assume. I will not give up the fight!!

texvet62

Takhli RTAFB 12/66 - 12/67

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My husband has been diagnosed with Stage 4-Squamous Cell Lung Cancer in which the left bronchus is blocked due to this cancer. He served during the Viet Nam era in Thailand, Ubon RAFB beginning in November 1966 through November 1967. His job was Cryogenic Fluids, making oxygen for the planes that flew missions to Viet Nam. He worked near the perimeter. We have filed a claim with VA for benefits and are being asked for factual information. Not sure what they are asking for. Can you help?

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I regret no one answered your question. Some of us have been away from the board due to vacations, etc.

Obviously your husband has a disability that is presumptive to Agent Orange for incountry Vietnam veterans, those who fulfill the Korea AO criteria, and those veterans who fall under the AO Thailand Directive which is found here at the beginning of this topic.

I hope he also claimed the involvement of the bronchus, as also due to the Squamous cell cancer, as a secondary disability.

The problem of course is proving his exposure to Agent Orange in Thailand.

The following Veterans may have been exposed to herbicides:

U-Tapao Air Base, Thailand, 1972

The National Archives

  • U.S. Air Force Veterans who served on Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) bases at U-Tapao, Ubon, Nakhon Phanom, Udorn, Takhli, Korat, and Don Muang, near the air base perimeter anytime between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975.
  • U.S. Army Veterans who provided perimeter security on RTAF bases in Thailand anytime between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975.
  • U.S. Army Veterans who were stationed on some small Army installations in Thailand anytime between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975. However, the Army Veteran must have been a member of a military police (MP) unit or was assigned an MP military occupational specialty whose duty placed him/her at or near the base perimeter.

  • http://www.publichea...ge/thailand.asp.


    He needs to prove, via his SMRs, or 201 Personnel file, how his MOS put him on or very near the perimeter of the base.
    What branch of service was he in? As you can see USAF MOS in Thailand is less restricted then the Army criteria.
    He should certainly try to find someone he served with in Thailand for a “Buddy statement”.


    A Buddy statement from some one, with his same unit, same time frame of Thailand service, and either same or consistent MOS as he had could write a letter to VA, to testify that he ,your husband, did work on the base perimeter.

    “Cryogenic Fluids, making oxygen for the planes that flew missions to Viet Nam. He worked near the perimeter. “
    This does not necessarily mean he worked in or near the perimeter.
    His Unit surely has a web site and he might find a Buddy there he could contact (or maybe simply google the names of anyone he served with in Thailand,) and then he could obtain a statement that would support his claim as to the Thailand AO criteria.

    The buddy statement should cpontain te buddy's MOS ,time in Thailand, etc and exactly how he knew of and witnessed your husband's duty on or very near the base permeter. The buddy should get his statement notarized if possible (banks often do that for free)and give the VA his complete contact info, to include phone number and email addy.


    In this BVA case the veteran claimed pancreas disability due to exposures and his MOS was described thus:

    “The veteran served on active duty in the US Air Force for
    approximately four years. The veteran's military
    occupational specialties during that time were 54430 -
    cryogenics fluid production specialist - and 63111 - fuel
    specialist. “
    http://www.va.gov/ve...es4/0833346.txt




    This claim reveals the problem BVA had ,at time of this remanded decision, getting a definition of his MOS from NPRC.
    I hope your husband does have copies of his complete military records.
    If not he can obtain them via NARA at


    http://www.archives....ervice-records/
    He will need to print off the bar coded thing, after he fills out the SF 180 ( I advise looking the form over first to make sure he has the info they need, sign it, copy it, and then mail it with proof of mailing to where the site directs him to.
    Or he can print off the SF 180 and the bar code thing , prepare the form off line and sign,copy, and mail it to NARA.

    He needs to get proof of mailing anything he sends to NARA or the VA.

    Google has images and maps of this USAF base on line and perhaps he could find a map that he could highlight to show exactly where he worked on the perimeter but it would still take corroboration either from his military records, or from a buddy, and both types of corroboration would be the best bet.




    My last NARA request took about 5 or 6 weeks. These days it is difficult to know how long that would take.








    The following Veterans may have been exposed to herbicides:


    U-Tapao Air Base, Thailand, 1972
    The National Archives

    • U.S. Air Force Veterans who served on Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) bases at U-Tapao, Ubon, Nakhon Phanom, Udorn, Takhli, Korat, and Don Muang, near the air base perimeter anytime between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975.
    • U.S. Army Veterans who provided perimeter security on RTAF bases in Thailand anytime between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975.
    • U.S. Army Veterans who were stationed on some small Army installations in Thailand anytime between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975. However, the Army Veteran must have been a member of a military police (MP) unit or was assigned an MP military occupational specialty whose duty placed him/her at or near the base perimeter.

    • http://www.publichea...ge/thailand.asp.
Edited by Berta

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This information is outstanding, I'm just waiting for the DVA to finish processing my claim from 1989 under the review process and my most current claim from December 2010. Keep the information flowing. Thanks, AZBill58

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One thing most AF Vets focus on regarding Thai AO exposure is having an AFSC of Security Policeman or their hootches being close to the perimeter like they were at Udorn. The big new "barns" they put up in 1970 to replace the old hooches were jammed right up (within 100 feet) of the Northwest perimeter. What some forget is the Communications guys who did telephone maintenance or cable splicing in the perimeter areas. VA has not even touched on that group. Here's a good list of the affected Comm Squadrons and a few Army/Marine places http://asknod.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/thailand-ao-exposure/ In fact, here's a picture of Detachment B, 7th Radio Research Field Station about 10 klics from T-11 (Chiang Mai Airport). This place was nuked the whole time I was there from Oct. 70- May 72. Nothing grew there-period. The black and white is from the Lima Site 20 A's parking apron for the Hmong T-28s. They tried to plant grass there for a volley ball court but it died after a week. The place was hosed with it. Third pic is from 1500 looking NW at Long Tieng and you can see all the bare dirt around the runway and taxiways. The Hmong kids used to spread AO and A Blue with cut off bleach bottles undiluted right out of the barrels. After two years, I came home coughing up blood and thought it was due to Red Marlboros. I switched to lights! I'm rated 40% for PCT on that. Hope the pictures help.

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Here's another piece of the puzzle that will help Thai/Cambodia/Laos Vets. The truth is out there.

http://www.viet-remf.net/The%20Exclusion%20of%20Thailand%20Veterans%20Report.pdf

We sleep at night with one eye open at asknod.org. VA doesn't want this out of the bag because it would put them and Uncle Sam in the poorhouse. The military wasn't about to let on that they were running C-123 spray aircraft out of Udorn and NKP. The King of Thailand forbid it. The fact is , it was closer to the trail flying from up-country than from Bien Hoa. Check out the pictures for your claims.

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Yeah....Wes Carter, Major, Retired, USAF gave testimony on Jan 16th 2013 to the IOM regarding the C 123s I think I posted the link here in January...Havent had a single minute to get back to him.

www.c123cancer.org. Is his web site with the testimony there.He had prepared an excellent argument on the modified transports ,circa 1972-1982 that flew

and sprayed the AO.

He referred to the GSA and USAF 2011 reports regarding the "lingering contamination by military herbicides" to the planes....

That's right folks the 2011 reports...........the Weapon of Mass destruction, AO, keeps on giving....and is still a fluid subject for USAF and the GSA

By 2010 ,any C 123s left, were destroyed and put into landfills, per Carter's research.

He does mention those left as historic artifacts in museums. I am sure I saw one at Lackland AF Base when my daughter graduated from BT there. 1997.

They had a Blackbird on display I stood in front of for photos but none of our cameras could get the whole thing into one shot.........talk about great stuff the Mil has....

I digress........ the food on the base was great too...Every parent got a video their airman child was in.....my daughter was in the first 'integrated' graduation wing ? squadron? I forget....meaning the female airmen did everything the male airmen did,in BT .......and they did it all very Well!!!!

She said one of the MREs in a bivouac was shrimp or lamb........????? whatever they were ,she said the MREs were delicious.

I digress..............this is an important topic here....

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And few people know AirAm had two PC-6Cs outfitted for AO spraying. They kept them down at L-08 Wattay (Vientiane) and loaded them for spraying up at 20 Alternate. The tanks were in the cargo area behind the pilot and invisible from outside. They sprayed downwards out the belly hatch. There is so much to learn and use for claims. The internet is a Godsend for Vets.

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You Bet it is ASKNOD...The internet is our best weapon we have in the VA's War of the Words.

I remember the olden days,when I had to call up COVA ( former CAVC name)in Wash DC , and tell the what decisions I needed by docket, and then promise to pay them a few bucks by snail mail....maybe 2 dollars each decision, and then they would fax me the decisions.......

I thought that scenario was glorious!

Seems odd now to think of when CAVC decisions are just a few clicks away.

Blue Water Navy.org called me last night ( I am member of BWNVVA) and might have some relatively positive news soon.....still a long way from AO Equity but

then again,

most battles dont secure lots of acreage at first,...... they get won in yards at a time of the ENs real estate.....

I will post updates on BWN AO Equity Act bill status as soon as I get the word from them.

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