ptsd Confused??

[rwoods04]

Do you get a rating for unspecified depressive disorder?  I was asking because at my C&P I was diasnoged with that instead of PTSD.
Thanks

[broncovet]

Maybe.  First, as usual, the disorder needs to be service connected, with the "big 3" of current diagnosis, in service event or aggravation, and nexus between the two.

Assuming you have all these 3,  

All mental disorders that are SC are rated on symptoms, and all use the same general rating schedule.  

 

4.130 Schedule of ratings—mental disorders.

The nomenclature employed in this portion of the rating schedule is based upon the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV). Rating agencies must be thoroughly familiar with this manual to properly implement the directives in § 4.125 through § 4.129and to apply the general rating formula for mental disorders in § 4.130. The schedule for rating for mental disorders is set forth as follows:

	Rating
Note: An incapacitating episode is a period during which bed rest and treatment by a physician are required.
Schizophrenia and Other Psychotic Disorders
9201Schizophrenia, disorganized type
9202Schizophrenia, catatonic type
9203Schizophrenia, paranoid type
9204Schizophrenia, undifferentiated type
9205Schizophrenia, residual type; other and unspecified types
9208Delusional disorder
9210Psychotic disorder, not otherwise specified (atypical psychosis)
9211Schizoaffective disorder
Delirium, Dementia, and Amnestic and Other Cognitive Disorders
9300Delirium
9301Dementia due to infection (HIV infection, syphilis, or other systemic or intracranial infections)
9304Dementia due to head trauma
9305Vascular dementia
9310Dementia of unknown etiology
9312Dementia of the Alzheimer's type
9326Dementia due to other neurologic or general medical conditions (endocrine disorders, metabolic disorders, Pick's disease, brain tumors, etc.) or that are substance-induced (drugs, alcohol, poisons)
9327Organic mental disorder, other (including personality change due to a general medical condition)
Anxiety Disorders
9400Generalized anxiety disorder
9403Specific (simple) phobia; social phobia
9404Obsessive compulsive disorder
9410Other and unspecified neurosis
9411Posttraumatic stress disorder
9412Panic disorder and/or agoraphobia
9413Anxiety disorder, not otherwise specified
Dissociative Disorders
9416Dissociative amnesia; dissociative fugue; dissociative identity disorder (multiple personality disorder)
9417Depersonalization disorder
Somatoform Disorders
9421Somatization disorder
9422Pain disorder
9423Undifferentiated somatoform disorder
9424Conversion disorder
9425Hypochondriasis
Mood Disorders
9431Cyclothymic disorder
9432Bipolar disorder
9433Dysthymic disorder
9434Major depressive disorder
9435Mood disorder, not otherwise specified
Chronic Adjustment Disorder
9440Chronic adjustment disorder
General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders:
Total occupational and social impairment, due to such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought processes or communication; persistent delusions or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; persistent danger of hurting self or others; intermittent inability to perform activities of daily living (including maintenance of minimal personal hygiene); disorientation to time or place; memory loss for names of close relatives, own occupation, or own name	100
Occupational and social impairment, with deficiencies in most areas, such as work, school, family relations, judgment, thinking, or mood, due to such symptoms as: suicidal ideation; obsessional rituals which interfere with routine activities; speech intermittently illogical, obscure, or irrelevant; near-continuous panic or depression affecting the ability to function independently, appropriately and effectively; impaired impulse control (such as unprovoked irritability with periods of violence); spatial disorientation; neglect of personal appearance and hygiene; difficulty in adapting to stressful circumstances (including work or a worklike setting); inability to establish and maintain effective relationships	70
Occupational and social impairment with reduced reliability and productivity due to such symptoms as: flattened affect; circumstantial, circumlocutory, or stereotyped speech; panic attacks more than once a week; difficulty in understanding complex commands; impairment of short- and long-term memory (e.g., retention of only highly learned material, forgetting to complete tasks); impaired judgment; impaired abstract thinking; disturbances of motivation and mood; difficulty in establishing and maintaining effective work and social relationships	50
Occupational and social impairment with occasional decrease in work efficiency and intermittent periods of inability to perform occupational tasks (although generally functioning satisfactorily, with routine behavior, self-care, and conversation normal), due to such symptoms as: depressed mood, anxiety, suspiciousness, panic attacks (weekly or less often), chronic sleep impairment, mild memory loss (such as forgetting names, directions, recent events)	30
Occupational and social impairment due to mild or transient symptoms which decrease work efficiency and ability to perform occupational tasks only during periods of significant stress, or; symptoms controlled by continuous medication	10
A mental condition has been formally diagnosed, but symptoms are not severe enough either to interfere with occupational and social functioning or to require continuous medication

Edited February 4, 2016 by broncovet

[broncovet]

As you can see there are several mental disorders that are in the "other" categories:

9435 "other" mood disorder

9210  

Psychotic disorder, not otherwise specified (atypical psychosis)

 

It probably wont matter much which category your disorder is in, as long as you get Service connected for it, and you have documented the applicable symptoms.  

[rwoods04]

Thanks broncovet

 

[DocC03]

2 hours ago, rwoods04 said:

Do you get a rating for unspecified depressive disorder?  I was asking because at my C&P I was diasnoged with that instead of PTSD.
Thanks

A few things to keep in mind. The criteria for PTSD changed in the newest DSM manual. Please review it and you will see the new guidelines. Effectively making it slightly more difficult to show PTSD. Also I am seeing a lot more people with rating for other psychological disorders instead of PTSD. Also I am seeing diagnoses of things like anxiety disorder where the Doc actually meant PTSD. If you truly do have PTSD don't be afraid to get service connected for depressive disorder like Broncovet said but I would personally continue to fight for a PTSD rating to replace the depressive disorder. 

[rwoods04]

Thanks, DocC03

My question is should I modify my claim to include anxiety or depressive disorder, my claim is still in the appeal stages.

[Buck52]

I believe I'd go with the PTSD Claim  if you been dx with it?

Depression disorders can show improvement and PTSD is usually controlled with Medications and never show improvement    so if they rate you with a depressive disorder  you will probably get a TEMP rating

jmo

Buck