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The VA Dental Handbook, can be found online. Here’s Bay Pines Implant pamphlet.

yes, sarcasm, maybe that’s what it is. i’m a real straight arrow. If it is I would delete it I wouldn’t want other visitors to see that. But that’s just me.

and the fact is the “policy“ is real it’s just not written down and therefore “not a policy“ and “it doesn’t exist.“ Oh yeah it exist do I really think my dentist sent me 15 messages over a month telling me that they have such a policy that she could be so wrong after working for the VA for 15 years at the same place? No. The big chief didn’t tell me right nor did he set the situation straight. And that’s the end of that I’ve got plenty of things to sue the VA about all one big pile anyone of them are good enough by itself. When I say good enough I don’t mean for any award I mean to get in the door of a court that’s the first hurdle that’s really the only hurdle as far as I’m concerned because I don’t care what happens after that as long as I get heard and I’m able to present it and hopefully to a jury because a newspaper article just isn’t going to cut it. Neither will such a court case. I just think people should know we’re paying their taxes for this And think we’re getting all this great care. And think we’re getting all this great care. I had one VA clinician tell me, As she looked for something in a drawer, “well, you get it for free.” Anyway I’m not trying to start a new thing here in my thread just defending myself a little bit I think it’s perfectly justifiable to question why someone would write something like the VA has good reason to distrust veterans. Maybe they do, let’s hear them.

“The VA has ‘trust Issues’ with Veterans for some very good reasons. ....they earned it.” - Broncovet That got to me. it’s the other way around. period. I have no problem with any individual, but I wrote a big post about my problems with dental and other things in the first response was that. if I was a moderator I would’ve deleted it. That is all. I didn’t mean to start a big thing. But I viewed it as bait I didn’t want to take it now I’ve taken it and look what’s happened. It’s OK everything is copacetic I’d like to hear from bronco vet why he wrote that or why he feels that the VA has good reason to distrust veterans. If he wants to answer that’s fine if not that’s fine too because that’s really not my concern I’m concerned about medical care which includes dental care and mental health care, under the rules which the VA has established. Nothing more but nothing less.

Most of my VA compensation is for mental. I’m sick of it too. That’s how I found this place many years ago I just don’t hang out because I’m paranoid. I don’t put all my information in my bio and I hope I’m completely anonymous. and That’s a damn shame. I believe I made a post here a few years ago I may have deleted it after a while, but the psychiatrist lied to me and said in writing “all veterans are being weaned off of all controlled substances by order of the FDA.“ That of course is anybody knows was a bold face lie or at least a falsehood that he misunderstood. But it preempt him discussing the medication that I had been on before and possibly trying it again. Now here I am four years later and I have that medication finally. And that guy doesn’t work at the clinic anymore. That former medical captain in the army. I’m not gonna give his name because I don’t want anybody trying to identify me. Which I’m sure they could probably do if they wanted to anyway. I don’t trust anybody anywhere. Much less the VA. They’ve consistently lied to me and I have it all documented. And I know what my damages are because of it. And I’m well aware that you cannot get punitive damages. But I can get other damages. My thing now is that if this is all happening to me this is happening to lots of other people. But I’m pretty smart and I’m very persistent and I have gotten these chiefs to write out messages that are extremely incriminating. It took a long time and hundreds of messages. I know what I’m doing. Whether anything happens because of it or not is a whole Nother story. I don’t care anymore if I win or lose but I think a jury or a judge should at least know what the hell is going on. Since the VA has no real accountability office anywhere. I’ve taken to telling VA workers recently and doctors and psychiatrist that hey you guys have this PACT system and you meet and you discussed the patient’s right? Yes they do that’s exactly what they do. I said well you could probably help a lot of us if you invited us to one of those meetings say once a year or once every two years or once every six months. But I’d like to have 30 minutes in front of that pack and guess what I don’t have any questions I just want you all to see you at one time with the other one is doing.

Exactly. I agree what does that have to do with the VA lies? Was that statement supposed to mean that they don’t where did they have a good reason to lie to us because they don’t trust us. exactly. I agree what does that have to do with the VA lies? Was that statement supposed to mean that they don’t where did they have a good reason to lie to us because they don’t trust us. Moreover what does any of that have to do with dental. I knew I shouldn’t of taken broncovets bait. That’s kind of how the VA works isn’t it turning us against each other.

Brocovet is right about the VA having good reasons not to trust veterans? That’s what I questioned him on. I don’t believe that indeed it’s the other way around. I don’t know. If your didn’t claim took 23 years then maybe your experience was better than mine. i’ve been in the VA for 36+ years. I am way beyond the 20 year rule I am P and T with “no future appointments”. I have, in writing been lied to by three doctors in the last five years — IN SECURE MESSAGE (WRITING) of Course I have copies — that caused me to be denied treatment and to believe I had for example an abdominal aneurysm when I did not. Now I’m being lied to by community care dentist. So no you pegged me wrong. I know who you are I’ve read about your story here before I sympathize with you. I to have sue the government before, the army. In the federal court of claims and I won. Lawyers would not help me. That took ironically also 23 years. piece by piece. And that is separate and distinct from my previous VA claims. Again I was questioning the poster about why he would say the VA has good reasons not to trust veterans. Honestly I don’t really care I didn’t intend to take the bait of that post but here I am. But I’m out now. I’ve taken pictures of everything in this thread in case I need it for future record to start a lawsuit I can try to contact some people perhaps. I’m sorry for your loss.

that’s right. that’s me. You’re not gonna see all my stuff in my user description here. I probably should’ve said in my first post when I started this thread but that’s who it’s for. Anything else is too complicated at this point. I’m not saying anything else shouldn’t be part of it I’m just saying at this point for the sake of early discussions.

What a terrible thing to say. That the VA has earned distrusting veterans. Not sure what that has to do with my thread. I wish you’d carry that somewhere else. Do you work for the VA? a moderator who believes that the VA should distrust its veterans… what a terrible thing to say.

thank you. for anyone reading: here are the Dental Handbook and related directive, 2 links/2 books. nevermind the word “Homeless” in the link. https://www.va.gov/HOMELESS/docs/dental/DentalHandbook1130Amended20200320.pdf

this is where there msy seem to be contractual misunderstandings. i have that.

I appreciate you, if anything happens — doubtful — i will let you know. thanks

i have since “deduced” that (read my original message) when the Chief of Dentistry called to say no such policy exist, he wasn’t being very forthcoming. otherwise, why would the VA dentist who me that there was such ‘local policy’ have told me so over half-a-dozen times? i think i know why: what the chief was saying is that there is no written policy for me to access; what he didn’t say is that there is virtually such ‘local policy’ because they never authorize it. get it? thing is, he was agreeing on the phone call that this was a huge deal, therefore not only not forthcoming, but disingenuous, no? to everyone/anyone reading here: do you believe the stated mission of the VA is being met when in one region/state/VA clinic you may not be provided for because they don’t have what you need, but other VA clinics do? do you not believe that the VA is nationwide system and if one clinic cannot treat for lack of tools or specialized provider, they should arrange for your travel to one that does? i have messages saying, regarding full dental (groups 1 & 4), the VA website and Dental Handbook say, for one thing, “comprehensive” dental care, i have messages that say “your comprehensive care is based on what we have available.” thus, at one clinic you may not get proper treatment while at another, because they have a specialist in staff or in the community, you will get it. sounds like a class action lawsuit to me, if you can show damage or inappropriately handled tooth or bone loss for failure to treat (waiting/ watching for years only to later extract when it could have been prevented or delayed). anyone interested in such a filing, let me know, please. ps. there is more solid “evidence”. win or lose, ppl ought to at least know what’s happening. only a court case will do that, not a newspaper article. a news article will not contain under oath statements matched against same persons writings and sworn depositions, a court case will.

Ok. I serendipitously found out what a dental bone graft was when my outside assigned by VA dentist was denied authorization but put one in anyway. After that I begin messaging through the secure messaging system my dentist who for 30 days and over 15 messages and 15 replies (approx) Told me every which way to Sunday that “VA does not authorize bone graft.” During the last 32 days of questioning through the messaging system about this to the same dentist, it was revealed that this was local VA policy. So I asked about how stranger possibly cruel that was, that a veteran could move to another place and get a bone graft! IF said Vet KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING!!! then about a week ago in the early evening my phone rings and it’s the chief of dentistry at Bay Pines. After he identified himself to me and myself to him he told me “what you’ve been hearing about a no bone graphs policy, is not true” and never existed. So I was denied at least one. No telling how long this dentist or that whole office has been telling veterans this policy was real and how many they’ve denied. BE AWARE.

FOUND IT! Thanks, Berta!