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Agent Orange, Lawyers Dream And Bureaucratic Sport

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Posted on February 14, 2009 by gordonduff




Its Saturday morning and I have to read something else written by people who just don't know what they are talking about. This isn't even politics. Everyone is to blame. How could a country poison an army, watching them die a lingering death over years, see their children disabled, how?

How? This is the United States. We have TV, IPODS, Playstations and are now worrying about our bankers having their multimillion dollar bonuses paid from government welfare taken away while millions worry about money for their next supermarket run.sp3220090214115428.gif

We have been lied to about Agent Orange for 40 years and nobody has really cared and they aren't about to start. Some of the victims have those plastic flowers on graves in cemeteries, but most, as those who really fought in Vietnam were not so rich, sit in bags and boxes, ashes that sometimes look more likely dogfood than ashes, given to families that will never be able to afford a burial plot, marker stone or if the veteran was also a PTSD sufferer, maybe nobody is around that cares anymore.

Ask someone, anyone "in authority" about Gulf War Syndrome. Does it exist? Who died? What is it? What kind of people are we?


I got my Agent Orange physical in 1995. I was told I would need multiple joint replacements as I was showing extensive joint damage common to all agent orange sufferers. Then they found a tumor. It was diagnosed as Soft Tissue Sarcoma and I was advised to immediately start radiation and chemo at the VA Oncology center in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

I managed to survive the 90% odds that killed folks like actor Robert Urich (also from Detroit, one of my favorites). I lost one child whose death should be attributed to birth defects related to Agent Orange. I work to remain unaddicted to pain medication and remain as active as possible on a series of joints, some destroyed beyond recognition.

I don't receive one cent of compensation for any of this, not from the famed Agent Orange lawsuit I was a part of, not from VA claims made years ago nor do I receive any follow up treatment nor any real treatment of any kind. Welcome to the real world. Do note that I am also a VSO, Veterans Service Officer and know the system as well as anyone alive. I may be the least invisible Vietnam veteran in the country, next to John McCain, but it seems in "all the wrong circles." When I rail against corrupt bureaucracy, I have my reasons.

The VA is doing a wonderful and amusing job with agent orange victims. I get the Agent Orange Review in the mail, I get tests for prostate cancer (pronounce it P-R-O-S-T-A-T-E, not PROSTRATE...everyone screws this up) which, thus far, tell me I am not dying of that.

It took me 2 years to get an appointment with the VA for treatment for my joint pain. I got the appointment but no treatment. They told me to take aspirin. They did give me endless Xrays. I never heard back from them.sp3220090214115456_400.gif I found out why some time later.

Then, when visiting my local clinic for a gout flareup, the doctor pulled up my Agent Orange joint problem Xrays. They were years old, showed terrible damage BUT HAD NEVER BEEN SEEN BY A RADIOLOGIST, NEVER LOOKED AT, NO TREATMENT RECOMMENDED, NOTHING.


If it were only me it would be one thing. As most Vietnam vets know who go to "reuinions" and look around at who is there and who isn't, Agent Orange is "breaking up that old gang of mine." All my friends, the living ones, the few, are cancer survivors, some multiple cancers, many directly related to Agent Orange. One of my closest friends, someone I met while helping him as a VSO, had 4 Agent Orange cancers, his prostate removed and was getting a couple hundred bucks a month disability.

With PROPER advice and medical diagnosis he immediately went to 100%.

In some areas of the country, vets get joint replacements, full diagnosis and even disability payments they deserve. In many more areas, most areas, in fact, their medical problems are ignored and even lied about.sp3220090214115518.gif

The fact that Agent Orange destroys joints and brings on years of crippling pain was explained to me 14 years ago by VA medical officials but I have yet to read a single word about it in a publication. By the same measure of ignorance, the government should have simply ignored 9/11. If veterans had been on the planes or in the World Trade Center, we would still be waiting for the planes to land or wondering about that mysterious empty place in lower Manhattan.

We haven't even begun to discuss the Agent Orange victims from the spraying in the Korean DMZ. It seems, if you are poisoned by a "test spraying," you aren't sick. The games never end, the lies never end.

What Vietnam veterans and the other Agent Orange sufferers, not to include the millions of suffers in Southeast Asia, are supposed to do is "bite the bullet" and die quietly. We have been doing just that and doing it very well. Everyone seems pleased with the result with the exception of friends and family.

gduff_01.jpgFew of us are rich and important. Admiral Zumwalt's. son, however, was an exception. The admiral spoke up, put his ideas forward and his honor on the line. The military still admits nothing but at least someone stood up like a man.


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A very touching column for me. Someone who genuinly cares..finally. The Vietnam Vet has always been an embarrassment for the government because of the 56,000 young soldiers they sacrificed and to the public because of their view of us caused by a small group of soldiers who never did shit in the war but got high. In my outfit we would shoot an American drug head as soon as an NVA soldier. We are dying of cancers caused by AO rapidly and all will be rid of us soon. We all just hope some of us will outlive Hanoi Jane.


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Interesting.But I think there is a lot of info missing here

"I don't receive one cent of compensation for any of this, not from the famed Agent Orange lawsuit I was a part of, not from VA claims made years ago nor do I receive any follow up treatment nor any real treatment of any kind. Welcome to the real world. Do note that I am also a VSO, Veterans Service Officer and know the system as well as anyone alive"

The AO lawsuit required that the veteran be declared totally disabled -regardless of cause and had served in Vietnam.

If the veteran provided no documentation of each above ,their AO Settlement claim was denied.

I just found my husband's settlement fund stuff the other day.These were the two requiorements for inclusion in this lawsuit.

Soft Tissue Sarcoma- the VA will service connect a veteran

with any type of the 34 STS sarcomas listed in 38 CFR under the AO regs upon proof they served in Vietnam.

Unless medical evidence can directly attribute the veteran's STS to another proven etiology.

This vet might have a basis for a Section 1151 claim but

I cannot comprehend how he was denied AO comp.

and he never stated why the VA denied him.

More to this then meets the eye.

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Don`t you also find it odd that Tonsil Cancer doesn`t fall under any of the presumed cancers or isn`t on the list at all?


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Thanks for the information on qualifacation Berta.

I wonder where his claim was processed? VARO/AMC?

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Allan -yesterday I went to the link you posted and asked him some questions- such as his BVA Docket Number- with no reply yet.

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It has me wondering.

But how many vets have we seen come hear with AO exposure that served in country & still were denied?

Please keep us posted.

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