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What Kind Of Advice Do You Get When Suicidal?

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Just curious how the advice differs from VA to VA (and civilian tdocs/pdocs as well). When you mention that you are suicidal or even have a plan...what do they say?

The new tdoc (therapist) I'm seeing at Dayton now is a "suicide prevention therapist"....yet she won't use the scary "S" word..... :unsure: . Today I asked her what I can do when I keep getting these suicidal thoughts (with a plan) in my head. Her response? "Think of something else"

LMAO!!! Wow.......gee, why didn't I think of that many, many years ago and life would just be so much easier.....(sarcasm)...is she truly out of her mind???

Anyone else? I truly hope that if anyone else needs this kind of advice, that they are getting good help.

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If you have a plan they have a room for you. If you do have a plan then you need to be inside. Suicidal ideation is one thing, but having a plan is something else. Same with homocidal ideation and having a plan to kill someone. Big difference.

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They don't seem to mind that I have a plan. I've told them what it is. And they also know that I have the means at home to carry it out. I'm not saying this as an immediate threat....just letting folks know how dense the mental health folks are at Dayton...and hoping other's have better tdocs/pdocs than I.

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Purple

Do you have any other insurance that would pay for in-patient stay at a mental ward for a few days? The VA is negligent. If you want to go in as an in-patient go to your congressman's office and tell you are so depressed you want to kill yourself, and you don't trust yourself to drive get home. I bet you are admitted that day. Let the waterworks flow! The VA is being negligent and they need to be spanked.

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Nope....no other insurance. And I'm sure the VA wouldn't pay for it.

Now you (not you personally) but the collective members here know why I'm making such a big deal out of getting turned away at the walk-in mental health clinic.

Today I think I'm ok. But that can change at a moments notice....and that's what I told them. I just get the deer in the headlights look.

Thanks john....It helps to talk to someone who isn't scared to talk about it.

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If someone really wants to commit suicide than they usually will do it. However, when someone who has kids and loves them I remind them that if they commit suicide than it will be likely that their kids will do it also.

I try to get people to promise to see someone first and talk about it. And I try to remind that no batter how bad life sucks at this particular m0ment that things will change and suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Think about it how many times have you felt suicidal and than felt a lot better after some time had passed.

You owe it to family and friends not to do that.

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It's just when the problems keep coming in waves....they don't seem so temporary.

Suicide already runs in my family. My grandfather (dad's side) and uncle (mom's side) both did it. I've had 5 attempts that have landed me in the hospital.

Sometimes when my mind gets really bad....I can't think of anything else but wanting out.

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Just curious how the advice differs from VA to VA (and civilian tdocs/pdocs as well). When you mention that you are suicidal or even have a plan...what do they say?

Well they usually don't say too much to me for a while just let me talk a bit

and then when I'm finished they will say something to keep a conversation going.

Next - the office door opens up and the sheriff comes in and give me a ride to

be admitted to the flight deck for upto 72 hours.

Hang in there.

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Just curious how the advice differs from VA to VA (and civilian tdocs/pdocs as well). When you mention that you are suicidal or even have a plan...what do they say?

The new tdoc (therapist) I'm seeing at Dayton now is a "suicide prevention therapist"....yet she won't use the scary "S" word..... :angry: . Today I asked her what I can do when I keep getting these suicidal thoughts (with a plan) in my head. Her response? "Think of something else"

LMAO!!! Wow.......gee, why didn't I think of that many, many years ago and life would just be so much easier.....(sarcasm)...is she truly out of her mind???

Anyone else? I truly hope that if anyone else needs this kind of advice, that they are getting good help.

Well, my brother-in-law told everyone who would listen that He would someday commit sucide; He had tried several different meds, from a private doctor, for His Bipolar Disorder, but He didn't like the loss of creativity that He experienced. Long story short...He shot Himself 2 months ago while my sister was gone.

He lost the desire to live, and He chose a very perminate solution. I was put in the hospital lock up at the VA when asked if I wanted help.

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When and if I talk about it, they want to lock you up. I feel safer talking to the guy here at Hadit.

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Just curious how the advice differs from VA to VA (and civilian tdocs/pdocs as well). When you mention that you are suicidal or even have a plan...what do they say?

The new tdoc (therapist) I'm seeing at Dayton now is a "suicide prevention therapist"....yet she won't use the scary "S" word..... :angry: . Today I asked her what I can do when I keep getting these suicidal thoughts (with a plan) in my head. Her response? "Think of something else"

LMAO!!! Wow.......gee, why didn't I think of that many, many years ago and life would just be so much easier.....(sarcasm)...is she truly out of her mind???

Anyone else? I truly hope that if anyone else needs this kind of advice, that they are getting good help.

That's a better answer than I got, I was at a PTSD exam were they examiner asked me do you have suicidal thoughts? I said yes all the time and his reply was , "Well why don't you just do it?" I said what? The way he said it was as if he was encouraging me to commit suicide (without a doubt). I said well thanks for the vote of confidence Doc. He says well I mean, I didn't mean it that way I said yeah right and moved on to the next question....give me a GAF of 41and he also gave me a GAF of 63 for depression on my back and he thought my problems could be from PTSD but I was missing certain symptoms so more than likely I had a Border Line Disoder,lol what an A-hole.. Almost screwed me on this one but his Q were wierd..What I mean to say is I feel your pain for sure....YOG

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Purple, hand in there, I need you to be on this forum to help me with

my PTSD, and thought of suicide. you have good input, and I watch your post.

I am relutant to tell of mu suicidal thoughts. That because of my exterior,

not letting the true feeling being exposed.

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The VAMC Clinic help me with my PTSD, and thought of suicide. Good luck and keep with the counselling.....................Always ask for help when you need it.

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Very sorry to hear about your brother-in-law.

Thanks purple!

I think that some of the doctors are so used to hearing patients say what they feel that they become immuned to hearing the words. Then when not taken seriously... a certain percentage do go on to commit sucide.

I encourage everyone who is so desperate that sucide is an option to seek help from civilian doctor if need be. Life isn't easy for most of on here, harder for some, easier for others, but I know that there are a lot of good people on this forum who really do understand to a better degree than most, and want to help!

My brother-in-law couldn't get His medication ajusted to the point that He wasn't so delusioned anymore.

It is a extremely perminate solution to a problem that might have been corrected with the correct doctor and medication, and therapy.

Hang in there...

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If someone really wants to commit suicide than they usually will do it. However, when someone who has kids and loves them I remind them that if they commit suicide than it will be likely that their kids will do it also.

I try to get people to promise to see someone first and talk about it. And I try to remind that no batter how bad life sucks at this particular m0ment that things will change and suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Think about it how many times have you felt suicidal and than felt a lot better after some time had passed.

You owe it to family and friends not to do that.

Here, Here!

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If the VA believes that you have a concrete plan to kill yourself they have a duty to protect you from yourself. I mean to commit you on the spot. If they think you are going to kill someone immediately, or have such a plan then they have a duty to call the cops. All doctors have this responsibility.

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I disagree with the thing about if you committ suicide, so will your kids. My grandfather committed suicide because he had a terminal illness....none of his children did. My uncle on the other side of the family committed suicide because his wife had just died and he was devastated...none of his children did. So I don't think it always happens and I hate it when therapists throw that in my face...I think they just try to scare ppl rather than help.

The lady I'm seeing now at the Vet Center is actually listening to me. She isn't so scared when I talk about my suicidal feelings and even plans. We talk about it, what causes it, what brings it on, etc. That really helps.

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