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STORY -- More about who can flag a veteran's

medical records and what can be done about it.

On Sep. 11, 2007, I posted a story about the Patient Record Flag (PRF) in the VA's VistA electronic medical records system. That story here... http://www.vawatchdog.org/


The general tone of the above story was that veterans could be "blacklisted" by having their records flagged.

This raised a number of questions that need answering.

I would like to thank many current and former VA employees for helping me piece together the following information about PRFs. And a special thanks to Jo Schuda who is in Public Affairs at the VA's Central Office (VACO).



Patient record flags are used to alert VHA medical staff and employees of patients whose behavior and characteristics may pose a threat either to their safety, the safety of other patients, or compromise the delivery of quality health care. These flag assignments are displayed during the patient look-up process.

The use of patient record flags must be strictly controlled and implemented following the instruction provided in VA Directive 2003-048.

The above VistA instruction can be found here...




The purpose of the PRF is to protect the veteran, other patients and VA staff.

Here is an example of a PRF:

1. Flag Name: <BEHAVIORAL>

Category: I (NATIONAL)


Assignment Narrative: On 4/8/03, this veteran was disruptive and threatening toward numerous

staff. RECOMMEND: VA Police should be immediately called to standby until they and the clinician decide that standby is no longer necessary.

Assignment Details:

Initial Assignment: May 20, 2003


Next Review Date: May 20, 2005


Originating Site: EL PASO VA HCS (EL PASO VA HCS)

Progress Note Linked: No

What are some of the reasons for a flag? The VA lists the following:

Criteria for Category I PRFs may include, but are not limited to:

1. A history of physical violence against patients or staff at a medical center or clinic.

2. Documented acts of repeated violence against others.

3. Credible verbal threats of harm against specific individuals, patients, staff, or VA property.

4. Possession of weapons or objects used as weapons in a health care facility.

5. A history of suicidal or parasuicidal behavior within health care facilities.

6. A history of repeated nuisance and disruptive or larcenous behavior that disrupts the environment of care.

7. A history of sexual harassment toward patients or staff.


Although many VA staff members have "write" access to VistA to enter clinical notes and information, the number of people who can flag a veteran's records is strictly limited.

Just because a caregiver can enter clinical notes does NOT mean they can flag a record.

Entry of flags is controlled by the local VA's Disruptive Behavior Committee (DBC) which is led by the hospital's Chief of Staff.

If a VA employee feels a veteran should be flagged, they must present evidence to the DBC. The DBC then decides if a flag should be entered.

Only a few persons in each VA facility can actually enter a flag. They are assigned by the Chief of Staff and usually are heads of departments are senior medical personnel.

Once a flag is entered, it must be reviewed every two years to see if it is still valid and should stay in the system.


Basically, this is any VA employee with a need to know. The VA lists the following:

(1) Emergency room clerks and receptionists,

(2) Administrative Officer of the Day,

(3) Pharmacists and pharmacy technicians,

(4) VA police officers,

(5) Enrollment clerks,

(6) Social Work staff,

(7) Triage and/or telephone care staff,

(8) Ward and clinic clerks,

(9) Insurance and billing staff

(10) Receptionists,

(11) Travel clerks,

(12) Laboratory clerks and technicians,

(13) All medical staff,

(14) Patient advocates,

(15) Nursing and unit supervisors,

(16) Decedent Affairs Clerk,

(17) Scheduling staff, and

(18) Fee clerks.



The easy way is to just look over the doctor's shoulder when they access the records. If the flag box (see graphic above) is grey...no flag. If it's red...that's a flag.

Chances are a VA doctor will not explain the flag to a veteran.

But, a veteran can get this information.

Here is how you do that. This information is from the VA:

A PRF is part of the medical record and can be accessed by the veteran in the same way he or she accesses the medical record.

The veteran must make a written request for a copy of the record.

The PRF may or may not be subject to sensitive-record review prior to disclosure as required by 38 U.S.C. 5701.

The above mention of "sensitive-record" means that some vets will not be able to get the information about the flag. These would be the same vets who find their records cannot be given to them "for the good of the patient." This happens, generally speaking, in cases where the vet has severe mental health issues and would, most likely, not be able to understand the content of the records or flags. This only applies to a VERY small number of vets.



Again, this information is from the VA.

A veteran has the right to request an amendment to any information or records retrieved by the individual’s name or other individually-identifiable information contained in a VA system of records. This is specified in 38 CFR 1.579 and 45 CFR 164.526.

The request must be in writing and mailed or delivered to the facility, addressed to the privacy officer.

If the amendment request to remove language is approved, whatever was specified for removal is no longer in the active view.

If a request to amend a record is denied, the system manager or designee for the system of records involved, and/or the facility privacy officer or designee, will promptly notify the veteran. The written notification will state the reasons for the denial, notify the individual that the denial may be appealed to VA’s Office of the General Counsel and include the procedures for such an appeal.

It should be noted that although a vet can get a flag amended or deleted from active-view (no red flag box), the information does stay in the record. The reason is that medical records cannot have deletions. They can have information corrected, but information cannot be permanently removed. This is standard practice in the healthcare industry.


This could be done, but it would be a difficult process.

Recent interviews with a Chief of Staff at a VA hospital and a former Information Technology (IT) chief at another VA hospital leave me with the impression that the controls implemented by the DBC work in the veteran's favor and make it virtually impossible for an individual VA employee to forward some kind of vendetta through the PRF system.

I have heard many veterans complain about bogus PRFs (see below), but I have never seen any evidence to substantiate their claims.

This is another reason why veterans' advocates tell all veterans to get a copy of their VA records at least once a year. The veteran should be sure to ask for PRF information when requesting records.


I went to see my VA doctor yesterday. The flag box was grey...now I know I am not flagged.

I have communicated with many vets who have complained about being flagged. After many email or phone exchanges, ALL of them finally admitted that they had either been loud, unruly, abusive, threatening, lost their temper or gone in for an appointment under the influence of alcohol. These are all good reasons for a flag.

These vets all have the right to get these flags modified or removed from view. I hope they keep their act(s) together and get the flags taken care of as their behavior improves.

But, can the system be abused? Yes. But, it would take a lot of work...and, the question would be: Why?

So, the previous article's mention of "blacklists" is accurate in that flags can be viewed in that perspective. But, another way to view the "blacklist" is that it serves as a warning about possible dangerous behavior.

Even though the PRF system may be "open to" widespread abuse by VA employees, we have no evidence that this has happened or that veterans have been harmed by the PRF system in any way.

For a complete look at the VA's guidelines and regulations for Patient Record Flags, click here...



For more about VistA software, use the VA Watchdog search engine...click here...




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I have had a red flag for 1 year 6 months and I have tried to have it removed but no luck. Im learning that red flags are bad for the veteran. The chief of staff has not helped me at all. Please help me with getting my flag removed mike meeks [Removed Email Address]

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How do I find out of my VA Mmedical records have been "flagged"??? ~Wings

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I had a neurologist say maybe my neuromuscular issues were psychosomatic. When I got done chewing her out I got red flagged. So I guess thats one way.

After I was escorted out of the VAMC by security police, a picture of me would pop up on every VAMC computer screen & I could see it on the face of the person looking at me.

I was lucky enough to have one worker flip the screen around so I could see it.

You can get red flagged just by yelling at a VA employee.

They were giving me a toxic dose of meds & not treating the bipolar.

I'm not rude normally, but when It's insinuated that the brain leasions I have are psychomatic by a lazy neurologist that doesnt want to take the time to view my health records, well, I lost it after not being given a diagnoses of what it was for over a decade. I plain got sick & tired of lazy gov employees & got a bad attitude for a while.

She even wrote in my records that I don't like women as retaliation.

I wouldn't be married to one for 36 yrs if that were true & I doubt she would be married to me.

Two yrs later I was finally diagnosed with TBI after chewing out another neurologist for overlooking the brain lesion in the corpus callosum & having no interest in viewing a decade of treatment records for MS.

Three yrs later I was diagnosed with MS by a Dr that looked everything over.

I hate half assed medical care, by lazy VAMC employees that just want to get from break to lunch to break & home, doing as little as possible, while trying to figure out if I have cancer, a brain tumor or something terminal for over a decade.

I refuse to tollorate it anymore, so if I get red flagged from time to time I guess thats the way it is.

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Sorry! I didn't answer your question.

Go to administration at the VAMC & ask.

And don't do as I do. That might keep you from getting red flagged.

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Sorry! I didn't answer your question.

Go to administration at the VAMC & ask.

And don't do as I do. That might keep you from getting red flagged.




So, all you have to do is tell the TRUTH and then you get Red Flagged. I imagine a lot of us are ... Tell the Mrs. I said hello and HUGS!! ~Wings

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There are some vindictive nasty people who work for the VA. If you don't get copies of your records and review them you will never know.

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[so, all you have to do is tell the TRUTH and then you get Red Flagged.]


Yep! That will do it. Knowing you, I don't think you would have any problem getting red flagged lady. :)

If it wasn't for a receptionist I always say hi to & chat a bit being kind enough to say, "thats hard to believe" & showing me the screen where a picture of me covered the whole thing & it flashed with red all around it, I wouldn't have known about it.

I think it must have been my Psychiatrist that had it removed, cuz it's not there anymore.

There's no vet like a sedated vet...........should be the VA's motto.

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Keep it up and you will join me on the NO FLY list. Just joking, heh, heh, but for some reason I was on the list or something like it at my airport. They would not just check my bags. I had to stand in line no matter how long to show I.D. I got that changed, but it took a congressman to do it, and lots of documentation. It seems my name was similar to some rabid terrorist....John King. Does that sound like the name of a mass killer or bomber. I guess John Smith has trouble as well. I yelled at the pharmacist and the pain management people at the VA. They say I have an anger issue. Maybe I have the red flag. That makes me want to kill. Hey, I just want to sing Kumbaya and have a love-in with VA pain clinic people. My schizophrenia is showing again.

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your absolutely right.

Vets that don't go with the flow & try to change the way things are will get an internal name that is spread around the VAMC's.

I wrote letters to congress, complained to VAMC directors & VARO directors that "NO' & I mean no plans were put into effect two years after Principi ordered the VA to seek out project Shad & Gulf war Vets for treatment & set up clinics for them.

I complained & complained. They did nothing.

Finally they set up a clinic in Seattle, but concealed the number & clinic to call. Vets could not find out about it. I raised more hell.

Finally a 1-800 number was available & a clinic set up in Seattle.

At the Spokane clinic, they set up a make shift clinic for Gulf & Shad vets, but the guy running it new nothing about the illnesses these vets had or what they were exposed to.

More, make it look like we're doing something, get the funding & do as little as possible.

Some 3 months after I posted on hadit that vets could call this clinic in Seattle & make an appointment without referral. Because thats what the receptionist informed me, I set up an appointment.

They were pissed when I showed up. Shocked was more like it.

They put in my records that they wanted to know how that happened, was going to contact my PCP & so on. I tried to tell them I just called the number like everyone else.

Guess they thought they had me banned from it & that fell through the cracks.

I did get examined for shad when I showed up for the appointment, but never heard anymore about it. The Shad clinic refereed me to neurology & thats when I received a diagnoses for TBI.

That was in 2004. I'll be going back to Seattle again soon. It will be interesting to see if I get the same treatment.

I can not tell vets enough to get copies of all their medical records & read them very, very carefully. You will be amazed what is said & what is often changed later to cover their butts.

They don't mind using us for lab rats & keeping us around to examine the results. But they sure don't like treating you for the illnesses you acquire or paying for compensation.

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THanks for the advice John.

I have no doubt I'm probably on the no fly list & any other sh!t list the gov has.

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I put myself on no fly list. If I can't drive with my wife and dogs no reason for me to go. By the way La Quinta takes dogs and at no charge. You are responsible for any damage is all.


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