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What Is P & T?

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I have searched the board, but can't find anything that actually says what the two letters stand for. I'm thinking it has something to do with unemployability though. Right?

I did find this link in another post here which breaks down a lot of common acronyms used on this board but P & T wasn't listed.

http://www.hadit.com/index.php?categoryid=33

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I have been told by a va rating specialist that the va does not use the term in the mannor that veterans use the term. To veterans P&T means that they get dependant education and medical benefits. To the va P&T has nothing to do with dependant education or medical benefits, the va does not use the term "P&T" to discribe these benefits. In fact I challange any veteran to show that there[their] award of chapter 35 or champva benefits even mentioned "P&T". As I said the va does not use this term in conjuction with these benefits. In addition one can be rated Permanent and total... with out dependant benefits. Ie: 100% temporary award. Again the term has nothing to do with dependant benefits. Usually the only way a veteran knows they are actually considered "P&T" is when the award letter states chapter 35 benefits are awarded. But again the term P&T is not used by the va in the same mannor that veterans use it.

I also refer you to the BVN where this has been discussed many times and Crusier and other va employees have stated that the va does not equate "P&T" to anything other than a 100% rating.

Sirrah, I pick up thy gage! (if you've not, then read the like of "Ivanhoe" and "Men of Iron")

From my recent award. It states,...

"To be eligible for the CHAMPVA program a dependent must be the spouse or child of a veteran who is permanently and totally disabled from a service-connected disability."

"We enclosed a VA Form 21-8760, 'Additional Information for Veterans with Service-Connected Permanent and Total Disability,'..."

from my item 6."Eligibility to Dependents Educational Assistance under 38 U.S.C. Chapter 35."

"Eligibility to Dependents Educational Assistance is derived from a veteran who was discharged...; and, has a permanent and total service-connected disability;..."

"Eligibility to Dependents Educational Assistance underU.S.C. Chapter 35 is established from July 8, 2005, the date we granted entitlement to a total evaluation based on individual unemployability. As there is no indication of improvement in the service-connected disabilities which render you unemployable, you are considered permanently disabled..."

I submit I have met and satisfied the requirement of your challenge? ;)

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I have been told by a va rating specialist that the va does not use the term in the mannor that veterans use the term. To veterans P&T means that they get dependant education and medical benefits. To the va P&T has nothing to do with dependant education or medical benefits, the va does not use the term "P&T" to discribe these benefits. In fact I challange any veteran to show that there award of chapter 35 or champva benefits even mentioned "P&T". As I said the va does not use this term in conjuction with these benefits. In addition one can be rated Permanent and total... with out dependant benefits. Ie: 100% temporary award. Again the term has nothing to do with dependant benefits. Usually the only way a veteran knows they are actually considered "P&T" is when the award letter states chapter 35 benefits are awarded. But again the term P&T is not used by the va in the same mannor that veterans use it.

Let's try not to confuse a convalescent rating to Permanent and Total rating. A convalescent rating will award a veteran temporally 100% service connections and is considered a total disability rating but is not considered permanent.

4.30 Convalescent ratings.

A total disability rating (100 percent) will be assigned without regard to other provisions of the rating schedule when it is established by report at hospital discharge (regular discharge or release to non-bed care) or outpatient release that entitlement is warranted under paragraph (a) (1), (2) or (3) of this section effective the date of hospital admission or outpatient treatment and continuing for a period of 1, 2, or 3 months from the first day of the month following such hospital discharge or outpatient release. The termination of these total ratings will not be subject to §3.105(e) of this chapter. Such total rating will be followed by appropriate schedular evaluations. When the evidence is inadequate to assign a schedular evaluation, a physical examination will be scheduled and considered prior to the termination of a total rating under this section.

(a) Total ratings will be assigned under this section if treatment of a service-connected disability resulted in:

(1) Surgery necessitating at least one month of convalescence (Effective as to outpatient surgery March 1, 1989.)

(2) Surgery with severe postoperative residuals such as incompletely healed surgical wounds, stumps of recent amputations, therapeutic immobilization of one major joint or more, application of a body cast, or the necessity for house confinement, or the necessity for continued use of a wheelchair or crutches (regular weight-bearing prohibited). (Effective as to outpatient surgery March 1, 1989.)

(3) Immobilization by cast, without surgery, of one major joint or more. (Effective as to outpatient treatment March 10, 1976.)

A reduction in the total rating will not be subject to §3.105(e) of this chapter. The total rating will be followed by an open rating reflecting the appropriate schedular evaluation; where the evidence is inadequate to assign the schedular evaluation, a physical examination will be scheduled prior to the end of the total rating period.

Eligibility

http://www.gibill.va.gov/pamphlets/CH35/CH35_Pamphlet_General.htm

http://www4.va.gov/hac/forbeneficiaries/champva/champva.asp

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A gage is a glove, whether it be made of silk (Rebecca's) or of Iron (Richard III).

I'm just glad the codpiece wasn't thrown ;)

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A gage is a glove, whether it be made of silk (Rebecca's) or of Iron (Richard III).

I'm just glad the codpiece wasn't thrown :)

No, NO! The codpiece remain firmly where it is! There'll be none of THAT going on here!(leastways, not by ME! :) )

And in days of olde when issuing a challenge, the challenger would cast down his "gage" (Might be either as defined by "bonzai" and the circumstances of the wearer dictated) before the challenged, perhaps after slapping him across the face a time or twice with it first. A slapping would call for mortal combat. Merely casting it down could be a challenge settled by lesser consequences.

To accept the challenge, the gage was picked up and returned to the issuer, again, with the option of a slapping.

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No, NO! The codpiece remain firmly where it is! There'll be none of THAT going on here!(leastways, not by ME! :) )

And in days of olde when issuing a challenge, the challenger would cast down his "gage" (Might be either as defined by "bonzai" and the circumstances of the wearer dictated) before the challenged, perhaps after slapping him across the face a time or twice with it first. A slapping would call for mortal combat. Merely casting it down could be a challenge settled by lesser consequences.

To accept the challenge, the gage was picked up and returned to the issuer, again, with the option of a slapping.

In keeping with the ORIGINAL posting and the question "What is P&T?"...........................

if you were slapped with this gage..........would that be considered 100% or would you have to be considered unemployable BEFORE being considered Permanently and Totally slapped?

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These are not my answers but they make more sense that I did in my post.. One is from crusier a retired va rater, the other from Rouyeter both posters on the VBN. Both very knowledgeable. And as I said before and say again no veteran ever received a rating that stated they are P&T because it is not used by the va the same way that veterans use the term. Instead the rating will state entitlement chapter 35 and dependant medical benefits..... I know a lot of you don't agree with me, but I can't make a horse drink water either.

Whenever compensation for total disability (either 100 percent or IU) is awarded, the decision is supposed to state in the Reasons and Bases section whether any future review examinations are being scheduled. In addition the Rating Decision is supposed to address entitlement to Dependent's Educational Benefits where it clearly states if any future review exams are required. Finally, if there are no future review exams scheduled the letter is supposed to include an attachment explaining that additional benefits are payable and how to apply for them.

As for the letter saying that you are "P&T" or something like that, keep in mind that this isn't a term that is used at VA like it is in forums such as this. Actually the term "P&T" is generally used at VA to signify entitlement to non-service connected pension.

Cruiser

However, the two parts of P&T, permanence and total disability, are medical determinations that can exist without ever getting any disabilities service-connected. Permanence is a prognosis by a medical professional that a particular disease is not expected to get better. For VA purposes that medical professional should be a medical doctor. Total disability is a medical determination that your disability or combination of disabilities make you unable to work. In VA parlance, that inability to work has certain requirements and conditions in order to be defined as "VA unemployable" for compensation and/or certain benefits.

In VA pension law you can be P&T without any substantial compensable service-connected disabilities or with some degree of rated service-connected disabilities less than a 100% service-connected rating; P&T may even be found to exist due to advancing age under VA pension rules.

Rouyetet

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