No Medical Records Were Ever In Fire

[Guest frank]

no medical records were in any fire,and i can prove it. in 1978. i wrote to va for my medical records, as i was in hospital in occ japan 46-49 va wrote back no records found,burned in fire 1973,i did not not answer that lrtter. many times i have tried to get files va had,always the same story,no records.the claim in 1978, was for my hospital stay of 7 months. in 2003,i got my records from va there were my hospital records,so va had them all the time. thanks to wings, she sent me a web page for veterans exposed to radiation. in this,page i saw that in 1988,congress passed exposed radiation act. i did not know about this. as i was exposed to radiation,under m21-1 part 3 chapter 5 also found in records of 2003,my point is how did these records survive the fire,because the letter of my last name is p, i am trying to get a newspaper to write this story,this way all veterans can open a claim on benfit of doubt,from what i state, these hospital records are just what i asked for in 1978,i had the hospital name date on my claim, the records are from the same hospital and date i stated in 1978. frank

[Railroader]

no medical records were in any fire,and i can prove it. in 1978. i wrote to va for my medical records, as i was in hospital in occ japan 46-49 va wrote back no records found,burned in fire 1973,i did not not answer that lrtter. many times i have tried to get files va had,always the same story,no records.the claim in 1978, was for my hospital stay of 7 months. in 2003,i got my records from va there were my hospital records,so va had them all the time. thanks to wings, she sent me a web page for veterans exposed to radiation. in this,page i saw that in 1988,congress passed exposed radiation act. i did not know about this. as i was exposed to radiation,under m21-1 part 3 chapter 5 also found in records of 2003,my point is how did these records survive the fire,because the letter of my last name is p, i am trying to get a newspaper to write this story,this way all veterans can open a claim on benfit of doubt,from what i state, these hospital records are just what i asked for in 1978,i had the hospital name date on my claim, the records are from the same hospital and date i stated in 1978. frank

Frank, do you have any records or anything that shows that you received Hazardous Duty Pay that may help you in your claim?

Just a Thought....Railroader

[Guest frank]

Frank, do you have any records or anything that shows that you received Hazardous Duty Pay that may help you in your claim?

Just a Thought....Railroader

yes i do the hospital records prove that , and in 2003, i found a rating tos/c me to re open claim get files from air force navy, but you missed my point , because of the fact i have those records,but va has stated on all my records and sms,records are burned in fire,iam 100% air force ,100% navy,and 100% from rading of 1992 and c/p exam,but the point is anyone can file a appeal up to 1973, if va states no records found, burnted in fire, that i can prove them wrong, there is a class suit action,on this, i just wanted veterans to know ,va lied to them,and i would file a appeal,now if va has stated burnted in fire. frank

[Wings]

Dear Frank,

In-patient military medical records are kept with the 'treating military facility' for years before they are retired to NPRC (St Louis). These in-patient records are normally stored in a location separate from your out-patient, clinic SMR's . . .

However, "reasonable minds" could easily infer - that the VA did in fact (at some point in time) search for your in-patient medical records because you filed a VA Claim that put that specific evidence at issue!

See note (*) below for information about reconstructing some of the "burned" SMR'S. ~Wings

Frank, You were one of the first Air Force members! Prior to the US Air Force being established (1947), the US Army Air Forces flew the missions. Were you ever in the Army Air Forces ??

SEE ALSO

Alternate Record Sources: When proof of military service is needed, NPRC (MPR) attempts to reconstruct certain basic service data from alternate sources. NPRC (MPR) has identified many of these sources, but each contains only limited military service information. They are utilized to piece together (reconstruct) basic service data. LINK http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-...rd-sources.html

*Medical-Related Alternate Records. In 1988, a collection of computer tapes containing ten million hospital/treatment facility admission records was transferred to NPRC (MPR). These records, originally created by the U.S. Army Surgeon General's Office (SGO), were discovered by the National Academy of Sciences and offered to the National Archives for use by NPRC (MPR). The source records existed in a computer code format and required extensive analysis to interpret the code into English. Between 1988-1990, NPRC (MPR) was able to salvage 7.8 million records of individual admissions for use as a major supplement to other smaller sources of medical information.

The subjects of the records were active duty Army and Army Air Corps personnel in service between 1942 to 1945. In addition, active duty Army personnel who served between 1950 and 1954 and a limited number of Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, and military cadet personnel for the same period (about 5% of the 1950-54 file) are included.

The admissions records are not specific or detailed medical documents, but summarized information indexed by military service number. They contain limited medical treatment information, but diagnosis, type of operation, and dates/places of treatment or hospitalization are frequently included. Although no names are shown, patients are identified by military service number and certain personal data including age, race, sex and place of birth. THESE RECORDS ARE NOT DUPLICATES OF THE ORIGINAL MEDICAL TREATMENT FILES LOST IN THE 1973 FIRE AT NPRC (MPR). They were created using data sampling techniques for statistical purposes. Therefore, the listings are not complete and many admissions were skipped during the sampling process. Nevertheless, the information is useful as proof to support certain benefit claims.

[Wings]

hi wings yes i am now anfrnkie, i got a new computer i poster under old computer today as frank, when i tried to change over to hadit,for some reason would not let me get on as frank,so i had to change, as soon as i set up e-mail i will post it,thank god you guys found me,i was going to post a new topic on who i am,

now to answer your question yes i am army air force, however a papers from va state no records found burned in fire can not be restitution,even NPRS states the same thing,my smr also state that anfrnkie

OK, Glad we got the same guy, another new member with 52 appeals would put me over the edge lol (laughing out loud)!

Frank, You discovered your in-patient SMR's in 2003, so there's no way of knowing exactly WHEN that evidence made it to your file. Is there some kind od date-stamp on it? ~Wings

P.S. I don't understand why you are saying 100% AF, 100% Navy, 100% rating of 1992. Are you saying you were 100% DISABLED or 100% Service-Connected??? My understanding is that you were 100% SC in the late 90's for PTSD???

[Guest anfrnkie]

OK, Glad we got the same guy, another new member with 52 appeals would put me over the edge lol (laughing out loud)!

Frank, You discovered your in-patient SMR's in 2003, so there's no way of knowing exactly WHEN that evidence made it to your file. Is there some kind od date-stamp on it? ~Wings

P.S. I don't understand why you are saying 100% AF, 100% Navy, 100% rating of 1992. Are you saying you were 100% DISABLED or 100% Service-Connected??? My understanding is that you were 100% SC in the late 90's for PTSD???

wings, i did get ptsd in 2003 at 100%/but on letter va stated for service,46-49-52-56,this is issued under no hospital,injury,or recouption,so they wiped,out my service,so i filed a appeal,then when i got papers in 2003, i found i had disiably from air force, i never got a rading,then in navy,ihad a ptsd, from the accident with hobson i pulled socket from shoulder,i don,t know how navy,put on smr i have heart condition ,high blood pressure,eye problems,ear problems,and a few extra things,this i did not knoe until i got records in 2003,so i never got ptsd or shoulder for navy,in 1993 i find a rating ,to reopen claim get records for air force navy set exam for radiation 38,ch.5 part 3 m21-1,also there is a c/p exam done and the doctor,states the same as navy,discharge exam heart ect,now remenber i know nothing or this va never gets in touch with me to come in for exam, i also never took the c,p exam in 1993mwhen i got records i see all the mistakes,so i just file a appeal for cue,on everything, that,s why i state i am 100% 3 times,air force i am 100%compensation, navy i am 100% ptsd, then i become 100% again, for cue of action taken in 1993 so i took every letter that was wrong an filed all under appleas, as va has it now i am 100% for nothing, and they have to pay compensation for the cue on radyng and exam,ptsd goes back to navy, then 100%is army air force original diaable 2119 whatever that means no exam taken on discharge from air force. navy exam was done but not that good,how how navy, got those medical conditions,is wrong but navy states i did not have this in navy,navy states heart condition is old,so back it goes to ais force,when i see all those mistakes i just put appleas on them they are uo to 56 now,and if they act up i will file another one. anfrnkie

[Guest anfrnkie]

Frank, do you have any records or anything that shows that you received Hazardous Duty Pay that may help you in your claim?

Just a Thought....Railroader

railroader air forde is a dark question mark,i was in hospital in japan,7 months,however i did have puncherd ear drum but not to keep me in hospital that long ,one raiting states in 1993 exposed to radiation cfr ch 5 part 3 m21-1,i think this must have something to do with penson but i am not sure . frank