ptsd Did Not Get A Good One In The Beginning

[B478]

I have a question.

When I first put in for my disability claim right after i got out of the military for issues my VSO thought would win a claim, it was hard just signing the paper in front of the VSO. It wasn't that I did not believe I had a claim, I knew that I would be touched and I thought I would just lose it and be locked up for the rest of my life. When the appointment time came I freaked, quit my two part time job and moved out of the state. I just could not deal with it. I had a person talk me into putting in a transfer to the new state and see if I could still get the C&P, so I did. As the date came closer I was a wreck. During the C&P I didn't freak I went numb and blank. I could barely talk, think, and it was terrible. When I got out of it I left the state (it was either the very next day or the next.) and the job that I had just got. And that has been the difficulty. I get confused, I freeze, I forget, I say yes when it should be a no. So I did this for years as the VA tried to figure out one of the issues that nobody seemed to get...black outs, and dropped the other issue of memory loss. Finally I was given yet another exam in Nuero to figure out what was wrong (I had already been given sc for migraines, from a fall I had sustained about 1 1/2 months before i was discharged (right after my exit exam), but were still looking at the black outs, ruling out lesions, and other such stuff. Now I had the black outs before I had the fall and the loss of memory too. Someone put in for a PTSD instead of Nuero and at the end of some fighting (because the doctor did not have any records at the C&P and stated that it would be service connected if he had something to say anything (all he had was my name and social), but put me in for dystemia and an informal claim was filed and I followed up, A little while later after seeing the red flags in my records all the way back before I was discharged, I was granted sc PTSD. After I had freaked the second time, I called the VRO and asked if I could do it all over again, that i was dealing with emotional issues, couldn't sleep and such but was told no. I even wrote that in the NOD about them knowing my emotional state at the first general C&P. So now it's years later and I can look at the records and accept that it was not me, it was the disability. My question is, back in 1991, what was the requirements for an examiner to schedule a mental health evaluation? He noted that I was reluctant to talk about my injuries or problems, he had my service records which had me seeing a therapist and with a scheduled appointment that I did not go to because i was discharged before the appointment. I believe now at a general C&P someone would look at the records and see how I was and schedule a mental health eval, but what about then? I looked over the records and finding what procedures they were expected to follow is difficult because of all the changes and i just can't seem to get the one that I need. Where would I find the procedures used at the time?

Thanks in advance.

[carlie]

My question is, back in 1991, what was the requirements for an examiner to schedule a mental health evaluation?

He noted that I was reluctant to talk about my injuries or problems, he had my service records which had me seeing a therapist

and with a scheduled appointment that I did not go to because i was discharged before the appointment.

I believe now at a general C&P someone would look at the records and see how I was and schedule a mental health eval, but what about then?

I looked over the records and finding what procedures they were expected to follow is difficult because of all the changes and i just can't seem to get the one that I need. Where would I find the procedures used at the time?

Thanks in advance.

B478,

It's not the responsibility of a C&P examiner to schedule a mental health examination.

To my knowledge they do not have and have never had the authority to do so.

We file claims and the VA decision makers get C&P exams scheduled for the claimed medical conditions,

as part of the VBA's duty to assist.

Let's say a vet files a claim for a scar - a decision maker at the VARO has the authority to get a C&P exam

scheduled for this and it would be with a general medical C&P examiner. Now this same vet goes and

attends the C&P exam - the vet is an absolute fruitcake - tells the examiner -

I am Mickey Mouse, I live at Disney World with my wife Minnie and Pluto and I are drinking buddies even though I like Dumbo better but Dumbo won't go party with me.

BTW doc - I got this horrible scar from being burned while I was cooking up some vegetables in the mess hall during the time I spent in the Army.

This C&P examiner has no reason nor authority to schedule a mental health examination - this C&P examiner's responsibility is to follow the C&P worksheet for skin/scars - and that's it.

JMHO

[B478]

So if the issue is not listed as a condition before the extermination, but this issue comes up during the exam the doctor and VA does not have to address the issue?

If the issue has been stated as a condition prior, the issue comes up, the doctor states the issue, but nothing is done, then what?

The issue was stated as loss of memory and black outs. When the exam was done the doctor noted that I claimed them. In the final decision of that year I was given some of my listed conditions, however, the loss of memory was never noted to a condition or a decision made, and it was put in the notes that further exams for the black outs were made to figure out what they were all about.

If the final decision is that more test will be performed.... and then more and more tests are done but a decision is never given what would be the decision? Undiagnosable illness? Does the VA have to make a decision on all the conditions listed? If they do not address them as sc or not, what do you do?

[carlie]

If you want an issue (condition) to be considered for SC - file a claim for it.

They VA has no responsibility to go looking thru everyone's medical records

and infer claims for people.

That's just not the way it works.

It is the claimants responsibility !

[NSA-Saigon-ET]

I have a question.

When I first put in for my disability claim right after i got out of the military for issues my VSO thought would win a claim, it was hard just signing the paper in front of the VSO. It wasn't that I did not believe I had a claim, I knew that I would be touched and I thought I would just lose it and be locked up for the rest of my life. When the appointment time came I freaked, quit my two part time job and moved out of the state. I just could not deal with it. I had a person talk me into putting in a transfer to the new state and see if I could still get the C&P, so I did. As the date came closer I was a wreck. During the C&P I didn't freak I went numb and blank. I could barely talk, think, and it was terrible. When I got out of it I left the state (it was either the very next day or the next.) and the job that I had just got. And that has been the difficulty. I get confused, I freeze, I forget, I say yes when it should be a no. So I did this for years as the VA tried to figure out one of the issues that nobody seemed to get...black outs, and dropped the other issue of memory loss. Finally I was given yet another exam in Nuero to figure out what was wrong (I had already been given sc for migraines, from a fall I had sustained about 1 1/2 months before i was discharged (right after my exit exam), but were still looking at the black outs, ruling out lesions, and other such stuff. Now I had the black outs before I had the fall and the loss of memory too. Someone put in for a PTSD instead of Nuero and at the end of some fighting (because the doctor did not have any records at the C&P and stated that it would be service connected if he had something to say anything (all he had was my name and social), but put me in for dystemia and an informal claim was filed and I followed up, A little while later after seeing the red flags in my records all the way back before I was discharged, I was granted sc PTSD. After I had freaked the second time, I called the VRO and asked if I could do it all over again, that i was dealing with emotional issues, couldn't sleep and such but was told no. I even wrote that in the NOD about them knowing my emotional state at the first general C&P. So now it's years later and I can look at the records and accept that it was not me, it was the disability. My question is, back in 1991, what was the requirements for an examiner to schedule a mental health evaluation? He noted that I was reluctant to talk about my injuries or problems, he had my service records which had me seeing a therapist and with a scheduled appointment that I did not go to because i was discharged before the appointment. I believe now at a general C&P someone would look at the records and see how I was and schedule a mental health eval, but what about then? I looked over the records and finding what procedures they were expected to follow is difficult because of all the changes and i just can't seem to get the one that I need. Where would I find the procedures used at the time?

Thanks in advance.

I tried to follow what it is you want from Hadit and from your rantings and it just isn't clear. If you have a question for help then try to post it and leave out all the drama. Try posting evidence here or results so we can read and comment. If you just want to vent that is ok too, but let us know!

Good Luck!

NSA-Saigon_ET

[B478]

Where would you find the list of C&P worksheets for 1991? Is there a place you put in "work sheet - skin" and "1991" and then you get the worksheet? Or "work sheets for C&P 1991" then you pick the ones that pertain to the conditions you listed?

As for the duty to assist, does that just go back to 2000?

Thank you

[NSA-Saigon-ET]

Where would you find the list of C&P worksheets for 1991? Is there a place you put in "work sheet - skin" and "1991" and then you get the worksheet? Or "work sheets for C&P 1991" then you pick the ones that pertain to the conditions you listed?

As for the duty to assist, does that just go back to 2000?

Thank you

Here is the link to choose from.

My link