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Question About Mst


Hello all, long time lurker.

I have a question about MST, but would like to give a little background information first.

I served in the US Navy from 92-96, was diagnosed with PTSD in 95. I was med boarded for that later in the same year.

I had nightmares starting in 93 from an assault that happened earlier in the year, but I later had nightmares from being

sexually assaulted by a active duty Marine when I was 6 years old.

Not that its important to this topic, but when I was med boarded out of the Navy, it was considered "EPTE", as in existed

prior to service, although I explained to the Dr. that med boarded me of when my nightmares started, and the assault that

happened in service. (The Dr. that did my med board was not the the doctor that dx'd me with PTSD, He was not available.)

Anyway, back to the question and real topic: Is the original sexual assault on me considered "MST". I ask this question because

it was done to me by my father's neighbor on base housing when I was a kid.

I am trying to research and gather pertinent evidence to basically fight back against the original ruling by the Navy, as well

as the VA, who also denied my claim. Any opinions here would be very much appreciated.



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I'm so sorry this happened to you, so very sorry. I'm going to have triggers in this response, I think.

Correct me please if I'm misunderstanding you, but you were assualted while in service and reported it to the MH provider when you were talking about nightmares etc. Then you also told the MH provider about the one when you were a child. Two separate incidents. One prior to service, one while in service.

I'm not a lawyer or VA claims person, but I really don't see how they could dismiss the in-service event like that. MST isn't like a cancer that recurs. Every event is separate, right? Just because you were raped as a child, that makes your MST a pre-existing condition? On what planet?? Oh wait, Earth.

I know that MST is not a condition or diagnosis. But sat you break your leg when you're 6 years old, then break it again in-service, and this time it doesn't heal right at all. Yes, the leg was weakened by the initial break, but does the VA consider the in-service break and subsequent problems pre-existing? At the very least, it seems like it would be considered a condition that was aggravated by the military break.

So at the veeeeeeeeerry least, I would say (not a doctor!!) that your PTSD is related to a pre-military event and is aggravated by your in service MST.

As to your question about assaults perpetrated on civilians by military... I just don't know. I think it would be tried in a civilian court (they do that nowadays) so I don't know.

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hedgey, thanks for the response, and I'm sorry if what I wrote was disturbing.

Yes, when I was med boarded by this certain doctor, I told him everything that happened, as well as another doctor that presided over my group sessions, I give this information because both these doctors were basically co writers on the medical findings, and when they wrote the findings, they included no specific information about my stressors and the timeframe from that start of my nightmares and the date of my diagnosis.

When I received the findings prior to the Navy Peb, I knew that these two characters let me down, the Dr, that wrote the findings would not respond to me at all (avoided me like the plague) and my group session doctor, even when I confronted him, would not say anything or even look me in the eyes, and stopped going to the group sessions promptly afterwards.

Funny thing about that whole situation, I caught wind of this specific psych departments "unsaid mandate" from a senior chief in my group sessions, (he worked there before retiring), and he said the Captain running that department made a point of giving anyone that had less than 8 years of service a "existed prior to entry" on their medical discharges.

I argued my case at the Navy PEB, but I knew I wasn't going to convince the two Navy Captains on the board to rule in my favor, the only dissenter was the Marine Colonel on the board (behind closed doors he basically called the two captains "POS"s for ignoring my arguments.) And since the Navy denied me, of course the VA did as well.

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You can win your claim for PTSD based upon "aggravation" of a pre-existing condition. It's relatively common way to service-connect. I will have more information for you this eveing, out the door now ... ~Wings

P.S. Sorry the Navy did not abide by their own rules, they should have taken care of you.

Here's a starter:

38 CFR 3.303 (a) Service connection connotes many factors but basically it means that the facts, shown by evidence, establish that a particular injury or disease resulting in disability was incurred coincident with service in the Armed Forces, or if preexisting such service, was aggravated therein.

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Wings, any information will help and be gratefully appreciated. Thank You

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first things first ...

1. Do you have a current mental health diagnosis? Are you receiving some type of mental health care (routinely, intermittently, medication,, etc)?

2. When you filed your original VA claim for PTSD, did you also submit with that claim any evidence (tangible proof) of the in-service traumatic event or injury? In other words, was there a report filed, a medical examination conducted, a doctor's visit, clergy's visit, commander's briefing, etc. ect. Were you able to provide the VA with any evidence of the in-service injury/assault? Do you have evidence, or is that something you need to develop?

3. Did the VA provide a C&P Examination? Do you have a copy of that Exam? Have you requested a copy of your VA Claims-File, service medical records, as well as other vital records from the Navy? Private medical records? Do you have a hard-copy for yourself at home?

4. Did you appeal the VA Denial? Meaning, did you submit your Notice of Disagreement? You had one (1) year to submit your NOD, otherwise you will need to "reopen with new and material evidence".

5. Did you have a VSO (veteran service officer) when you filed your original claim? Are you currently working with a Veterans Service Officer (VSO)? Do you plan on working with a VSO or going it alone, pro-se?

A few personal notes and observations ...

1. MST means military sexual trauma. MST means the sexual trauma was an in-service event. An active-duty traumatic experience. Therefore, your childhood trauma would not be called MST. PTSD is your clinical diagnosis. Post traumatic stress disorder is the symptomology (behavioral, emotional, mental and/or neurological) response that occurs after the traumatic event (sometimes immediately, often delayed).

For your protection hence forth: You need not ever discuss the details of a traumatic event with anyone who has not earned your respect and trust. People have betrayed you, repeatedly (childhood sexual trauma, military sexual trauma) and then by the Navy whom you innocently trusted to help you. From this day forward, you will not see the "powers that be" as your friend. They are not your friend. They may not be the enemy, but they are not your friend --unless and until they have proven themselves worthy of your trust. I know it can be re-traumatizing to share our stories with someone, maybe a close friend, only to have them misunderstand; but a misunderstanding is normal and forgivable. What is not OK in my mind, is to share our traumatic, crippling experiences with someone and have them use that information to discredit you or further injure you. I am fairly sensitive to these issues. I have PTSD from an in-service sexual trauma. You are NOT alone here, some of us totally "get it".

2. When you related the onset of nightmares, you told the Navy the nightmares were about something very bad that happened in your childhood. I think they may have used this information to discredit your in-service trauma. That was totally uncool and not clinically professional. It is very common for a recent trauma to bring up all the bad sh#t that's ever happened in our lives ... and replay them over and over. The contents of dreams change and the contents or nightmares change over time. If you have PTSD, there's more symptomlogy that just nightmares ... You were trumatized in childhood and then re-traumatized by MST. That iis called aggravation of a pre-service injury.

3. Stick around, make yourself at home, you are among survivors ;-) ~Wings

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