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Crdp And 100% P&t


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I'm not sure this is the correct forum for this post.

I've been unable to find anything specific, so can anyone tell me what effect CRDP has on a 100% P&T rating? I went from 50 to 100% P&T and retired in 2004. My current waiver is ~$3. I read a few negative comments that weren't really backed up by anything, i.e. If you have CRDP you're screwed for any type of retro etc...etc.

Maybe my insomnia it getting to me because now I'm thinking my VA amount will be reduced?? Any thoughts will be helpful. Maybe I just need to try to go to sleep!!

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We have a lot of info here on CRDP and CRSC,such as these links:

http://www.military....mpensation.html

http://www.military....p-overview.html

If a veteran is eligible for both programs, they can only elect one-the one most favorable to them.

Also if you use the hadit search feature for CRSC CRDP or CRDP CRSC, discussion and other info will pop up as we have some CRDP/CRSC vets here.

There was a DFAS snafu over retro under CRDP years ago and there has been discussion here ,searchable, as to how the retro works.

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Good morning Berta!!

I've been reading a bunch of your posts and some of them are AMAZING by the way! I'm actually honored to have you responding to one of my questions, so thank you!

This paragraph is my concern:

"It is also important to note that the amount you receive cannot exceed the sum of your actual military retirement pay and VA Disability Compensation added together."

Does this mean I'll receive my full military retainer pay (I call it that because thats what it truely is tongue.png ) (minus what ever the remaining waiver I have left based on time in the program) and my full VA compensation? Soon to go from $931 to $3037 (50% to 100%) or If anything, my waiver will reflect the % of the remaining waiver I should have at the 100% rate?

The pain meds and lack of sleep make my math fuzzy...

And the reason I ask is because my VA comp pay has never been more then my military retainer pay.

Thanks!

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Does this mean I'll receive my full military retainer pay Yes. FWIW, I have heard MilRetPay called retirement, pension, retainer pay (Navy), or "payment of deferred compensation for services previously rendered."

(minus what ever the remaining waiver I have left based on time in the program) and my full VA compensation No. There no longer is any waiver, once you receive the 100%.

You may be interested in IRS Pub 17 http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf Page 52, bottom of right column.

Good morning Berta!!

I've been reading a bunch of your posts and some of them are AMAZING by the way! I'm actually honored to have you responding to one of my questions, so thank you!

This paragraph is my concern:

"It is also important to note that the amount you receive cannot exceed the sum of your actual military retirement pay and VA Disability Compensation added together."

Does this mean I'll receive my full military retainer pay (I call it that because thats what it truely is tongue.png ) (minus what ever the remaining waiver I have left based on time in the program) and my full VA compensation? Soon to go from $931 to $3037 (50% to 100%) or If anything, my waiver will reflect the % of the remaining waiver I should have at the 100% rate?

The pain meds and lack of sleep make my math fuzzy...

And the reason I ask is because my VA comp pay has never been more then my military retainer pay.

Thanks!

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Thank you for those kind words, inthewind, but I am just one of countless amazing people here!

This is the smartest place in town.

I defer to any of the info JVretiredvet gave you, as to exactly how these programs work,as I am a civilian ,but certainly have mentioned CRDP and CRSC here many times ,since these programs began.

One thing to mention too,

The Services will presume that disabilities awarded VA disability

compensation based on service-connected exposure to hazards, which are clearly combat-related, are

combat-related for the purpose of CRSC. These include Agent Orange, Gulf War illnesses, Radiation

Exposure, Mustard Gas and Lewisite. Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) will require combatrelated

documentation.”

http://militarypay.defense.gov/benefits/docs/CRSC_Info_Paper_May_08.pdf

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Ok, I received the packet AND a retro payment today. Keep in mind I was already at 50% and receiving CRDP.

In the packet it states:

Your Award Amount and Payment Start Date

Total VA Benefit - $2932.00

Amount Withheld - $1132.00

Amount Paid - $1800.00

Effective Date - Nov 1, 2010

Reason For Change - Compensation Rating Adjustment, Retired Pay Adjustment

Total VA Benefit - $3037.00

Amount Withheld - $1173.00

Amount Paid - $1864.00

Effective Date - Dec 1, 2011

Reason For Change - Cost of Living Adjustment, Retired Pay Adjustment

Total VA Benefit - $3037.00

Amount Withheld - $0.00

Amount Paid - $1800.00

Effective Date - Sep 1, 2012

Reason For Change - Retired Pay Adjustment Stopped

We have withheld benefits.

You are not allowed to receive full military retired pay and full VA compensation at the same time. The following will provide an explinationof how this works:

  • If your VA compensation is less than your retired pay, you will receive compensation payments. The military service department will pay the difference between your compensation and your retired pay.
  • If your VA compensation is more than your retired pay, we will pay you compensation, and you will not receive retired pay.

For now, we must withhold part of your compensation until September 1, 2012. We must do this to prevent double payment. By working together with the military service department, we will make sure you get your full combined payment.

(This has to do with my current 50% payment, which they had to stop as of 1 Sep 2012. IOW they didn't want me to get the $931.00 AND the $3037.00)

Your effective date for military retired pay is from November 1, 2010 to September 1, 2012. The tax exemption is based on the total amount of VA compensation withheld from the effective date of the waiver. If benefits are increased and there is an additional amount withheld, the amount of VA compansation withheld is the total tax exemption to which you are entitled. If you previously claimed a tax exemption for this period, then you can now claim only the difference between the previous amount withheld and the current amount withheld. Please note that disability retirement pay is already tax exempt.

Concurrent Receipt of VA Compensation and Military Retired Pay

You may be eligible for full or partial concurrent receipt of VA compensation and military retired pay under the CRSC and/or CRDP programs. Your retired pay center (RPC) has been notified of this award of VA compensation. If your RPC determines the withholdings from your VA compensation should be retroactively adjusted due to CRSC/CRDP eligibility; VA will be notified and will adjust your VA compensation accordingly.

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Can someone please help me with my math here? Initial retro was $20,110 and I'm figuring a delta of $25,127?

I'm assuming the initial retro I got today was actually less then half of what it should be and the remaining was held back so they can verify CRSC/CRDP? I've been under CRDP for my 50% rating since I was initially rated in 2004...Hmmm...

Does anyone know how long of a process this is? Momma needs a new pair of shoes!biggrin.png

Again, thanks for all of your help.

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I am sorry no one replied sooner.

It pays to bump up the post ,as you did, when that happens, as posts can be missed once in a while and sometimes we don't know the answer and it takes time to find an answer.

In this past post there is a DFAS retro number:

Part of Irish7's March 12th post states:

“I just called the phone number for DFAS Retro-pay that Deacon 2011 provided in the 31 JAN 12 post. That number (877-327-4451) is no longer in service. The new # is: 800-321-1080. There are multiple options on the menu. One is for CRDP or Retro-pay. I don't recall which option number it was because I was trying to write down the previous selections and could not keep up with the recording. It may be #6, as the last thing that I wrote down was "General-#4" before I heard Retro or CRDP. There are 2 options after that. Take the first one (as though you received written correspondence from DFAS), it will get you a live representative. Number 2 is just a recording.

The guy that I spoke to, Monroe, was pleasant and knowledgeable. He told me that the VA takes 2 to 4 months after the change in disability percentage (and increase in military pension) to process Retro-pay. I just went to 100% this month, so according to this schedule, the earliest that I'll get the back pay would be 01 MAY 12 and the latest should be 01 JUL 12. Unbelievable. If I don't get paid until July, that will be 2 full years from filing to complete payment. Imagine the civil unrest that we would have in our cities if the government told the Welfare crowd that they will have to wait 2 years to receive benefits. ?”

Does that help at all ?

This part you posted :

"Total VA Benefit - $3037.00

Amount Withheld - $0.00

Amount Paid - $1800.00

Effective Date - Sep 1, 2012

Reason For Change - Retired Pay Adjustment Stopped"

Is it possible that date of Sept will be effective for the October 2012 check and those that follow?

We have some CRDPers here so hopefully they will chime in too.

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Hey Berta,

Thanks for the reply. It helps.

The stress was getting to me and it was all very confusing and hard to comprehend with limited information provided.

Why they don't inform us about that straight out with something like the below is a mystery to me:

Your total retrospective payment based on submission date of claim: $XX,XXX

Amont withheld due to CRDP/DFAS Audit: $XX,XXX (Don't worry about this right now because you're rated at 100% and CRDP shouldn't effect your receiving this as soon as we've made sure you don't owe the government any money, i.e. Audit) blush.png

I guess I'm correct in thinking that it can be a 2-4 month wait for the remainder of the retro after DFAS gets done with their audit. My concern due to some of the posts on HADIT, was that what I received initially was all I would be getting ($20,110) and that the remainder was somehow going to be withheld due to CRDP etc, etc.

Like I said, the main concern was the unknown. But now, I guess I'm pretty educated on the process and it's just another waiting game.

I think I'm going to take the time to write the whole thing up and submit it as a sticky so maybe someone else won't freak out like I did! biggrin.png

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Total VA Benefit - $3037.00
Amount Withheld - $0.00
Amount Paid - $1800.00
Effective Date - Sep 1, 2012
Reason For Change - Retired Pay Adjustment Stopped"

This should have been the first month after your Effective date, when you got your whole 100%. If you were getting CRDP you will still get both. You can figure by add what was Amount withheld times years or month it was withheld. But I looked at your post you retired before 2004 when CRDP started.

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