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Stessor Verification Without Jsrrc?


This is my first post in hadit, but I've been reading for nearly a year, thank you for your wisdom!

I've faced a lot of criticism for having a non combat ptsd claim on a different site, so I'll briefly qualify my circumstances in order to get help.

I was stationed in Germany, 1990-1992. During a field exercise, at night, while in uniform, there was a large explosion near my AO at the training area, it was a German civilian transport truck and a small passenger car that had wrecked and caught fire on the nearby autobahn. I along with several other soldiers rushed to the scene and rescued the driver of the truck, and tried unsuccessfully to pull out his passenger before it went up in flames. The passenger didn't make it, and I can't forget the scene and the hopelessness of standing by...

Within a few weeks I started experiencing nightmares, anxiety, panic attacks. I was under the naive assumption that PTSD was only for combat veterans until about a year ago, when I was at the VA clinic in my town to see the mental health. The Psch diagnosed me with PTSD non combat, and encouraged me to file a claim.

To digress, I was diagnosed bipolar at the VA in 2002 also with a previous history of suicide attempts a year and a half after discharge. I was discharged (ETS) honorably in 1996. First suicide attempt was 18 months after. I have many similar diagnosis of bipolar, one of "reaction psychosis", and a depression diagnosis all through VA and inpatient for bipolar/suicidal ideation. I was awarded SSDI in 2003.

Having filled you in, here are my questions-

Do these many diagnosis other than PTSD, after discharge, completely negate this new diagnosis of PTSD?

Second question, I have had a heck of a time gathering proof of my stressor. So far I've submitted a German newspaper article and two eyewitness buddy statements, as well as two family statements and all my post discharge medical history. I've written to the JSRRC, they claim no record of my Signal Battalion in Germany was ever turned in. My brigade and battalion were inactivated in 2007. I have ran into dead ends in finding unit reports of the incident. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where to search for S-3 reports or Staff Duty journals, so that I can send the VA further proof of my stressor?

Thank you for reading my thread and for your help!

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Remember, the VA can not reject your testimony solely based because you are an "interested party". One thing you need to do is make sure your entire testimony is accurate and credible. If the Va can catch you in one lie, or even an inaccuracy, they can discount your entire testimony, and deem it "not credible". While you are not competent to make a diagnosis, such as PTSD (only a medical professional can render such a diagnosis), you can attest to observations.

In my own Board decision, I provided my testimony. The Board determined my testimony was "consistent with the facts", and therefore credible. I was granted Service connection upon appeal to the Board.

Its probably going to be tough to service connect this, and will require persistence. Do you know the name of the deceased, or can you find it out? (Such as through a buddy?) There may be an obituary of this person if you can access newspapers for the city, and country. The VA rates all mental health disorders the same (PTSD, depression, bipolar, etc). They are all based on symptoms.

I liked this Vets method, assuming, of course, the mental disorder is service connected.


This is what I did, and I took (3) copies with me to my C&P Examination.

I copied and pasted the "General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders" into a Word document.

I then separated the conditions...or whatever they are...within each of the categories...from 30% on up through 100%.

(All anyone has to do NOW...is copy and paste into their own Word Document what I have already separated.)

Then I used THREE different colors to represent how often a particular condition occurred...using GREEN for SOME OF THE TIME...BLUE for MOST OF THE TIME...and RED for ALL OF THE TIME.

I then colored the appropriate condition with the COLOR that it would represent...so the appropriate condition was color-matched.

If something did not apply...I just left it as it is...with NO COLORS.

Then I started at the 30% and highlighted the appropriate condition...and clicked on the matching color in the top-right corner of my Word Document to change the highlighted area to the chosen color. Then I clicked on the BOLD function.

Then I went to the 50% level, and did the same...and then the next level, and so on.

I have done the 30% as an example to show how it looks.

Make sure you “remove” (MY) colored 30% example…and replace it with your own colors.

Across the top of the page, I equally separated the COLORED words...SOME OF THE TIME...MOST OF THE TIME...and ALL OF THE TIME

I also UNDERLINED and made BOLD the "SOME OF THE TIME, MOST OF THE TIME, and ALL OF THE TIME...and each of the PERCENTAGES, too.

Now this should give you a better picture of what your rating should be.

This is ONLY a guide…



CFR 4.130 Schedule of ratings—mental disorders

9440 Chronic adjustment Disorders

General Rating Formula for Mental Disorders:

SOME OF THE TIME....................MOST OF THE TIME....................ALL OF THE TIME


A mental condition has been formally diagnosed, but symptoms are not severe enough either to interfere with occupational and social functioning or to require continuous medication


Occupational and social impairment due to mild or transient symptoms which decrease work efficiency and ability to perform occupational tasks only during periods of significant stress, or;

symptoms controlled by continuous medication


Occupational and social impairment with occasional decrease in work efficiency and intermittent periods of inability to perform occupational tasks (although generally functioning satisfactorily, with routine behavior, self-care, and conversation normal), due to such symptoms as:

depressed mood



panic attacks (weekly or less often)

chronic sleep impairment

mild memory loss (such as forgetting names, directions, recent events)


Occupational and social impairment with reduced reliability and productivity due to such symptoms as:

flattened affect

circumstantial, circumlocutory, or stereotyped speech

panic attacks more than once a week

difficulty in understanding complex commands

impairment of short- and long-term memory (e.g., retention of only highly learned material, forgetting to complete tasks)

impaired judgment

impaired abstract thinking

disturbances of motivation and mood

difficulty in establishing and maintaining effective work and social relationships


Occupational and social impairment, with deficiencies in most areas, such as work, school, family relations, judgment, thinking, or mood, due to such symptoms as:

suicidal ideation

obsessional rituals, which interfere with routine activities

speech intermittently illogical, obscure, or irrelevant

near-continuous panic or depression affecting the ability to function independently, appropriately and effectively

impaired impulse control (such as unprovoked irritability with periods of violence)

spatial disorientation

neglect of personal appearance and hygiene

difficulty in adapting to stressful circumstances (including work or a worklike setting)

inability to establish and maintain effective relationships


Total occupational and social impairment, due to such symptoms as:

gross impairment in thought processes or communication

persistent delusions or hallucinations

grossly inappropriate behavior

persistent danger of hurting self or others

intermittent inability to perform activities of daily living (including maintenance of minimal personal hygiene)

disorientation to time or place

memory loss for names of close relatives, own occupation, or own name

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One thing the VA does well is they try to catch you in a lie. Let me give an example.

Lets say you are trying to remember the day the stressor occurred. You make a guess at it. Lets say you remember it was Hot, so you think it must have been in July.

Later, you look deeper into it and find out it occurred in August. Oops...the VA's gotcha..you provided conflicting testimony, testifying once your stressor was in July and another time it was August. The VA will likely find your entire testimony "not credible". Did you lie? Probably not, in this case..you were just guessing the month and found discovered some details later that it was the following month. Some people dont remember dates..I am one of them. People always want to know "when" something happened. I tell them I am lucky if I remember what I had for breakfast let alone what day the stressor occurred in 1973. But dont do it that way..if you are vague, they will assume its made up.

If you are not sure of the date, turn over every nook and cranny to identify it as close as possible. Then say,

"A few weeks prior to March 4, 1970" , I experienced the stressor. You can even say why you picked those dates..."I went on leave on March 4, 1970, so it was prior to March 4". Do not "make up" a date. If you tell the VA Feb. 19, 1970 and the VA finds the obituary dated Feb. 7th, then your credibility is shot.

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Try contacting hte German Newspapers and seek the archives.

That may help.


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Try contacting hte German Newspapers and seek the archives.

That may help.


Thank you for your replies!

Sorry, I didn't mention that I did submit the German newspaper article, the article doesn't name any US soldiers having been there, it only says the location, time, date and particulars of the accident. It says there were 74 "firemen" on scene. Actually, there was five of us from my platoon there on scene first, then the German fire dept. showed up. But, if I could find records of my unit I would be able to prove that I was in a hex tent about 250 yards from where the accident occurred. My problem is that JSRRC says that my battalion didn't turn in any records. How did a whole battalion of records just vanish??

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