Who In The Military Turned My Medical Condition To A Personality Disorder

[Josephine]

Who is responsible for taking my medical condition and slapping that code of 460 on my DD 214.

Would it be the Commanding Officer?

The Personnel Officer?

Thanks,

Josephine

[Guest fla_viking]

Dear Josphine.

Discharge codes were so abused by the military they passed laws to stop the pratice. I dont know of any one who goes by codes now. However if that code shows a diagnosis of mental illness other than personality disorder then that is evidence. The bad news is the military knew that and would never help its own by honestly putting down a ture medical condition that could be rated.

I think also if there is noting in your service medical records showing a diagnosis from a Dr. That code is nothing more than a lay person screwing with your life and has no valid meaning

Terry Higgins

[Josephine]

Why?

Please examine. Did it impact your rating? What claim was it?

1968 Army,

Has it ever impacted my claim. It has been pure H--- over it.

I ask my treating doctor in service to assist me with an early discharge, due to abuse at that station. I was taking librium for my nerves and caffergot for headaches.

I put in for a transfer first and located these records this year at the archives, as the Va did not secure my administrative records.

I was referred in consulation to Dr. J Psychiatrist for nervousness and headaches.

Next I saw Dr. M. Board Certified Psyciatrist for same who recommended early discharge.

I was given a discharge by reasons of unsuitability by a board of 4.

I was told by the personnel officer, if I took the early discharge that I would be given up all of my G. I Benefits.

That was fine with me.

Not true.

I filed in 1978, my SMR' stated by Dr. C Vascular v Tension headaches. Cafferfot not effective Librium 4 times a day.

No service connection.

Awarded a pension in 2003 for anxiety and depression and headaches.

2004 - located the long lost psyciatric records - new and material evidence.

C&P - More likely than not - Generalized anxiety disorder

Transferred immediately to W. Va.

5 months later Board of two. All lies in this c&P and I will fight this till I die.

Denied.

BVA

Now AMC

Contacted Dr. C. Wrote letter as a buddy letter, as I babysit for him and his wife for 9 months. Stated that he did add the librium to the caffergot for anxiety.

He treats the President of the United States and would know what happened in service and how he treated me, especially since I mailed him his records.

Now wating for decision.

Dr. C. thought all of these years that I received a medical discharge. Not true DD - 214 - code 460.

Thanks,

josephine

(Betty)

Edited December 16, 2006 by Josephine

[Josephine]

Dear Josphine.

Discharge codes were so abused by the military they passed laws to stop the pratice. I dont know of any one who goes by codes now. However if that code shows a diagnosis of mental illness other than personality disorder then that is evidence. The bad news is the military knew that and would never help its own by honestly putting down a ture medical condition that could be rated.

I think also if there is noting in your service medical records showing a diagnosis from a Dr. That code is nothing more than a lay person screwing with your life and has no valid meaning

Terry Higgins

Terry,

If nervousness and headaches is a diagnosis, no problem, I was in consulation with Dr. J Psychaitrist.

Saw Board Certified Psychaitrist Dr. M for same and recommended discharge.

I took librium and caffergot for what ever the Va. wants to say that I took them for.

I filed for SC for Anxiety - Depression and headaches.

Thanks,

josephine

[Hoppy]

Josephine,

That is a good question and I was going to ask where you got that code from. You did mention that you had a 4 doctor board. Also I remember something about immatutity. I was wondering if the board used the term emotional instability reaction or immaturity.

I can tell you this from some research I did. Emotional instability reaction was used by the military as a diagnosis as far back as WWII. I can not find use of this term in any reports during the seventies. Emotional instability reaction was considered as the result of immaturity and was not considered as a chronic condition by the military. I guess they figured you could mature later.

It sounds to me like they used the code properly because of the link I found between emotional instability reaction and immaturity. If your 4 doctor board made the diagnosis of immaturity at the time of your discharge, it could make sense that emotional instability reaction is the code they would use on the DD 214.

The problem is that you need to get the diagnosis of immaturity/emotional instability reaction changed to a chronic emotional instability reaction or some other service connectable condition. I have never seen a case called "CHRONIC emotional instability reaction". It is not a question of a personality disorder. The problem is that they do not consider "emotional instability reaction" to be a CHRONIC acquired psychiatric disorder. I have found this noted in several BVA decisions.

The only similiairity is that the VA does not automatically equate personality disorders and mental deficienceies to be service connectable conditions. The statement in quotes below was noted in a BVA denial for an individual diagnosed with "emotional instability reaction.

"Brief emotional outbursts or periods of confusion are not unusual in mental deficiency or personality disorders and are not acceptable as the basis for a diagnosis of psychotic disorder. See 38 C.F.R. § 4.127."

It is hard to find alot of information on the internet on old diagnostic terms. I am surprised I found the reference that emotional instability reaction was a form of immaturity. The info below in quotes was from a discharge review hearing and shows the association the military makes between immaturity and emotional instability reaction.

"It is not unusual for two psychiatrists to arrive at two different diagnoses of a mental condition. In any case, the two diagnoses were not very different from each other (emotional instability reaction versus passive-dependency reaction). Both were immaturity reactions subject to administrative separation under the provisions of Army Regulation 615-369."

Maybe Patrick knows something more about all this.

Edited December 16, 2006 by Hoppy

[Hoppy]

Josephine,

Continued from previous post.

I mentioned "Chronic emotional instability reaction" on my previous post. This is not a good diagnosis for you. I would seek to change anything indicating immaturity or any condition associated with immaturity. The VA does not service connect development or constitutional disabilities. They could easily argue that immaturity is developmental. This is another reason I feel they denied the claim in 1978 as not well grounded and did not review your records. Alex made a post about seven years ago explaining how the VA fought personality disorder and immiturity claims. That is why I feel the VA lumps them together as non service connectable.

I spent months researching this back in 1998. I found some of my old notes.

Edited December 16, 2006 by Hoppy

[Josephine]

Josephine,

That is a good question and I was going to ask where you got that code from. You did mention that you had a 4 doctor board. Also I remember something about immatutity. I was wondering if the board used the term emotional instability reaction or immaturity.

I can tell you this from some research I did. Emotional instability reaction was used by the military as a diagnosis as far back as WWII. I can not find use of this term in any reports during the seventies. Emotional instability reaction was considered as the result of immaturity and was not considered as a chronic condition by the military. I guess they figured you could mature later.

It sounds to me like they used the code properly because of the link I found between emotional instability reaction and immaturity. If your 4 doctor board made the diagnosis of immaturity at the time of your discharge, it could make sense that emotional instability reaction is the code they would use on the DD 214.

The problem is that you need to get the diagnosis of immaturity/emotional instability reaction changed to a chronic emotional instability reaction or some other service connectable condition. I have never seen a case called "CHRONIC emotional instability reaction". It is not a question of a personality disorder. The problem is that they do not consider "emotional instability reaction" to be a CHRONIC acquired psychiatric disorder. I have found this noted in several BVA decisions.

The only similiairity is that the VA does not automatically equate personality disorders and mental deficienceies to be service connectable conditions. The statement in quotes below was noted in a BVA denial for an individual diagnosed with "emotional instability reaction.

"Brief emotional outbursts or periods of confusion are not unusual in mental deficiency or personality disorders and are not acceptable as the basis for a diagnosis of psychotic disorder. See 38 C.F.R. § 4.127."

It is hard to find alot of information on the internet on old diagnostic terms. I am surprised I found the reference that emotional instability reaction was a form of immaturity. The info below in quotes was from a discharge review hearing and shows the association the military makes between immaturity and emotional instability reaction.

"It is not unusual for two psychiatrists to arrive at two different diagnoses of a mental condition. In any case, the two diagnoses were not very different from each other (emotional instability reaction versus passive-dependency reaction). Both were immaturity reactions subject to administrative separation under the provisions of Army Regulation 615-369."

Maybe Patrick knows something more about all this.

Hoppy,

I have a consultation by Dr. J, psychiatrist, at the Navy Department, to where, I was stationed and he states no personality conflicts noted. I saw him for nervousness and headaches.

The same for Dr. MxMxxx, Board Certified Psychiatrist. I saw him for the same symptoms.

I never knew of the code 460 -

I have a paper by the Commanding Officer April 14, 1964 - 460 reason not to be shown. Why???

I have a problem with the letter by Dr Camp, as I baby-sit for him and his wife for 9 months and he treated me for nerves and headaches with Librium and caffergot and referred me to the two psychiatrist. He is the doctor that assisted me with the early discharge.

Why, when I called him after 42 years, was he as surprised as I was, that I didn't get a medical discharge.

Where does he come into this mess of a claim?

Strange that Dr J and M stated that I did not have a psychotic disorder. See 38 C.F.R. § 4.127."

How do I get this changed?

The problem is that you need to get the diagnosis of immaturity/emotional instability reaction changed to a chronic emotional instability reaction or some other service connectable condition. I have never seen a case called "CHRONIC emotional instability reaction". It is not a question of a personality disorder. The problem is that they do not consider "emotional instability reaction" to be a CHRONIC acquired psychiatric disorder. I have found this noted in several BVA decisions.

Dr. P states Chronic Anxiety

Dr. M. their own Va. Psychologist states - generalized anxiety disorder not other wise specified with depresssion - More than likely a result of service.

Those two dumb psychiatrist at the Va. gave me an Axis 1 of Anxiety not other wise specified.

Axis 2- border line histroian -

They state " It appears that her primary symptoms are a personality disorder. ( Appears? ) DON'T THEY KNOW?

Thanks for your time,

Josephine

Edited December 16, 2006 by Josephine