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TDIU EFFECTIVE DATE

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Michaelreconscout

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This is a tricky brain buster.  I need all the help I can get, any recommendations are welcome!  

 

So this is a complex case.  I am about to receive a decision for a TDIU claim that I filed 3/2018.   I have alot of evidence, a good C&P exam for once, and a professional vocational evaluation, so I am thinking things are looking ok, but I know with the VA anything can happen, and ive seen it.  I am currently 80% combined (70% PTSD, 10%back, 10% knee, 10%tinnitus, 0%tbi) effective date 3/2005.  In 2008 I filled out a va form 21-8940, and filed for TDIU, (I was still 80%) combined.  This is what happened:

On November 8, 2007 my disability rating was a combined 80%(70%PTSD), I submitted a claim for increased evaluation based on individual unemployabilty.  “At the general rating exam the examiner said, you are prevented from working a position which would require long peroids of sitting or any lifting of any significant weight estimated at more than 10 lbs; however you could be employed in a sedentary position.  At the raiting for PTSD, the examiner said that you are unemployable due to your PTSD symptoms.  “(C-FILE).  My claim for increased evaluation based on induvial unemployabilty was denied. The VA proposed to reduce my PTSD disability from 70%-50% at the same time my claim for increased evaluation based on individual unemployabilty was made, this “proposal” was then used to make me “ineligible for making a TDIU claim”.  

“Based on your claim, we requested examination of your service connected disabilities for possible increased evaluation.  Based on the results of the examinations, we have proposed to reduce three of your evaluations for a combined evaluation of 60 percent.  Based on the results of the proposed reduction, you will not meet the criteria for entitlement to increased compensation based on unemployabilty in the absence of single disability evaluated 60 percent disabling, or a combined 70 percent disabling, with at least one disability evaluated 40 percent disabling. (C-FILE)”

On May 9, 2008, after closer review the VA proposed to continue my PTSD rating of 70%, with the original effective date June 5, 2005. Since the VA was required to, but did not forward to the veteran a TDIU application form 21-8940, the one year filing period for such an application did not begin to run. Thus, as a matter of law, the inferred claim submitted prior to the date of the formal TDIU application must be accepted as the date of claim for effective purposes. [38 C.F.R §3.155 (a)]

The VA will require that a veteran complete and submit a VA Form 21-8940 before it will formally pay a claim for TDIU benefits.  However, a veteran is not required to file this application form before the VA is obligated to consider and adjudicate a TDIU claim. When a veteran files an original claim for evaluation of a disability or a claim for an increase in the evaluation of a disability that has already been rated by the VA, the claimant is generally presumed to be seeking the highest benefit allowable.  [AB v. Brown, 6 Vet. App. 35, 38 (1983)] If either claim includes facts that indicate that the veteran is unemployable, the VA is obligated to consider and adjudicate a TDIU claim. [Collier v. Derwinski, 2 Vet App. 27=47, 251 (1992)]

 

After looking over my old claims files I found that the VA screwed me in 2008.  

Since the VA never sent me a form 21-8940 after they proposed to leave my PTSD at 70%,  and had knowledge from the C&P exam that I was unemployable,  my claim for TDIU was never properly adjudicated.  I believe this means that my effective date for PTSD/TDIU should go back to where the VA first learned I was unemployable due to PTSD.  They never sent me a form 21-8940. EVER

 

 

any suggestions/recommendations are WELCOME

 

Thank you for your service!

 

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IM NOT sure but i believe a fast letter and some law from a case Changed the inferred claim procedure for tdiu and made that  [AB v. Brown, 6 Vet. App. 35, 38 (1983)] If either claim includes facts that indicate that the veteran is unemployable, the VA is obligated to consider and adjudicate a TDIU claim. [Collier v. Derwinski, 2 Vet App. 27=47, 251 (1992)] ending being moot... not sure but i thought i read that somewhere

again im not sure if this matters or not but i found what i was looking for and the following is what my point was about.....

Director (00/21)In Reply Refer To: 211BAll VA Regional Offices Fast Letter 13-13ATTN: All Veterans Service Center PersonnelSUBJ: Claims for Total Disability Based on Individual Unemployability (TDIU)

Purpose

The purpose of this Fast Letter is to revise and clarify VA procedures relating to claims for total disability ratings based on individual unemployability (TDIU).

Overview of Changes

VA will no longer presume a claim for TDIU is a claim for increase in all service-connected disabilities. As part of a substantially complete application for TDIU, VAwill require that the claimant with multiple service-connected disabilities specify atleast one disability that he or she believes causes the unemployability.

VA will consider the Veteran’s specification of the disabilities that he or she believescause unemployability to be claims for increased evaluation for those conditions.

VA will require the claimant complete and submit VA Form 21-8940,

Veteran's Application for Increased Compensation Based on Unemployability

, to substantiate theclaim of TDIU.

VA will administratively deny TDIU claims if VA requests, but the Veteran does notsubmit, required forms or evidence.

VA has the flexibility to request either condition-specific Disability BenefitsQuestionnaires (DBQs) or a general medical DBQ when VA determines thatexaminations are needed to decide the claim.

VA will interpret the schedular requirements in 38 C.F.R. 4.16(a) to mean that acombined 70 percent rating is only required if no single disability is rated at 60 percentdisabling

 
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Yes, Paul is correct.  This is when VA decided to require Veterans complete the TDIU form.  Prior to that, the Veteran needed only submit an informal claim for TDIU, such as on a 21-4138.  

You are correct that, when VA neglects to send the Veteran the 8940, this can "toll" the 1 year appeal period.  

Reading this again, you may consider hiring a Veterans attorney, you are right this is complicated and needs a professional to sort it out.  

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M, you Filed a New IU Claim 03/2018, did you use the FDC? What makes you believe you're about to receive the Decision?

You haven't posted the redacted copies of the original 08 Denial so how about fast forwarding to now, could you post a redacted copy of your recent PTSD IU C & P?

 

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On 5/12/2018 at 10:43 AM, broncovet said:

Yes, Paul is correct.  This is when VA decided to require Veterans complete the TDIU form.  Prior to that, the Veteran needed only submit an informal claim for TDIU, such as on a 21-4138.  

You are correct that, when VA neglects to send the Veteran the 8940, this can "toll" the 1 year appeal period.  

Reading this again, you may consider hiring a Veterans attorney, you are right this is complicated and needs a professional to sort it out.  

I agree sir

On 5/13/2018 at 7:14 AM, Gastone said:

M, you Filed a New IU Claim 03/2018, did you use the FDC? What makes you believe you're about to receive the Decision?

You haven't posted the redacted copies of the original 08 Denial so how about fast forwarding to now, could you post a redacted copy of your recent PTSD IU C & P?

 

I did use FDC, so I was going by that time line but its looking like a 7 month total for decision

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On 5/11/2018 at 4:01 PM, paulcolrain said:

IM NOT sure but i believe a fast letter and some law from a case Changed the inferred claim procedure for tdiu and made that  [AB v. Brown, 6 Vet. App. 35, 38 (1983)] If either claim includes facts that indicate that the veteran is unemployable, the VA is obligated to consider and adjudicate a TDIU claim. [Collier v. Derwinski, 2 Vet App. 27=47, 251 (1992)] ending being moot... not sure but i thought i read that somewhere

again im not sure if this matters or not but i found what i was looking for and the following is what my point was about.....

Director (00/21)In Reply Refer To: 211BAll VA Regional Offices Fast Letter 13-13ATTN: All Veterans Service Center PersonnelSUBJ: Claims for Total Disability Based on Individual Unemployability (TDIU)

Purpose

The purpose of this Fast Letter is to revise and clarify VA procedures relating to claims for total disability ratings based on individual unemployability (TDIU).

Overview of Changes

VA will no longer presume a claim for TDIU is a claim for increase in all service-connected disabilities. As part of a substantially complete application for TDIU, VAwill require that the claimant with multiple service-connected disabilities specify atleast one disability that he or she believes causes the unemployability.

VA will consider the Veteran’s specification of the disabilities that he or she believescause unemployability to be claims for increased evaluation for those conditions.

VA will require the claimant complete and submit VA Form 21-8940,

Veteran's Application for Increased Compensation Based on Unemployability

, to substantiate theclaim of TDIU.

VA will administratively deny TDIU claims if VA requests, but the Veteran does notsubmit, required forms or evidence.

VA has the flexibility to request either condition-specific Disability BenefitsQuestionnaires (DBQs) or a general medical DBQ when VA determines thatexaminations are needed to decide the claim.

VA will interpret the schedular requirements in 38 C.F.R. 4.16(a) to mean that acombined 70 percent rating is only required if no single disability is rated at 60 percentdisabling

 

also , VA will no longer presume a claim for TDIU is a claim for increase in all service-connected disabilities. this was the ruling to force veterans to select a specific service connected disability for a tdiu claim.  before this you were able to claim tdiu for several service connection.  once the VA has evidence that a veteran is unemployable due to a service connected disability, the VA MUST send a form 8940, even if they deny it 99% of the Time

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11 hours ago, Michaelreconscout said:

the VA MUST send a form 8940, even if they deny it 99% of the Time

SO DOES YOUR ARGUMENT REST ON THE VA NEVER SENT THE FORM? AND YOUR REAL QUESTION IS HOW TO PROVE IT WHEN THE VA SAID THEY SENT A FORM BUT DIDNT???

ID LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO PROVE THAT AS WELL. SO I WILL KEEP LOOKING BACK AT THIS TO SEE OTHERS POINTS. 

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