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Back condition as secondary, DBQ

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Jeromy

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All,

 

I had my C&P for my back the other day, here is my DBQ.  Looking at the examiners notes, he is basically saying, "Yeah, since there is not a noted limp or impaired gait, the fact your were overweight but lost 100lbs., you're knee isn't the cause of your back problems."  The doctor puts some medical articles to back up his own theory and opinion do actually persuade a coming denial for my claim.  Take a look for yourself, would love the communities thoughts:

 

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LOCAL TITLE: C&P EXAMINATION NOTE

STANDARD TITLE: C & P EXAMINATION NOTE

DATE OF NOTE: MAY 17, 2018@08:00 ENTRY DATE: MAY 17, 2018@14:32:21

AUTHOR: DYE,JAMES C EXP COSIGNER:

URGENCY: STATUS: COMPLETED

Back (Thoracolumbar Spine) Conditions

Disability Benefits Questionnaire

Is this DBQ being completed in conjunction with a VA 21-2507, C&P

Examination

Request?

[X] Yes [ ] No

ACE and Evidence Review

-----------------------

Indicate method used to obtain medical information to complete this

document:

[X] In-person examination

Evidence Review

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Evidence reviewed (check all that apply):

[X] VA e-folder (VBMS or Virtual VA)

[X] CPRS

1. Diagnosis

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Does the Veteran now have or has he/she ever been diagnosed with a

thoracolumbar spine (back) condition?

[X] Yes [ ] No

Thoracolumbar Common Diagnoses:

No response provided.

Diagnosis #1: degenerative arthritis with facet arthropathy L4-L5,

L5-S1

ICD code: M47.817

Date of diagnosis: 8/01/2014

2. Medical history

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a. Describe the history (including onset and course) of the Veteran's

thoracolumbar spine (back) condition (brief summary):

The Veteran states he developed back pain while in the military prior to

injuring his right knee. He provides a copy of his STR from 11/20/2003

which show acute onset of idiopathic (non-traumatic) low back pain. The

note states he had decreased ROM of the back with mild parapsinal

tenderness. He was treated medically and seen again on 12/01/2003, and

the medical information provided shows full resolution of a thoracic

muscle sprain which had occurred 10 days prior according to the records

provided. A normal exam was noted and the note states he was returned to

full duty with complete resolution of the injury.

The Veteran then injured right knee in 2005 which lead to a medical

discharge on 5/10/2006. The MEB does not mention a back condition at that

time. A review of the C&P examination performed on 7/24/2006 near the

time

of discharge noted the history of a thoracic muscle sprain, but notes the

spine was completely normal on exam and the veteran had NO complaint of

back pain. Thoracic and lumboscaral xrays of the spine performed on

7/20/2006 were compltely normal at that time. The Veteran's knee

condition was noted and his gait was noted to be normal.

The Veteran states today he continued with low back pain which he

self-treated and did not require addititonal medical attention until

2014.

The Veteran sought medical attention for his lower back during his first

PCP visit at the Hunter Holmes McGuire VAMC on 08/01/2014 stating the

back

pain worsened due to moving and lifting heavy boxes a few months prior.

At

that time the Veteran also weighed nearly 300 pounds and had a BMI of 40

on 8/01/2014.

His gait was noted to be normal.

Records multiple medical visits to the Castle Point VAMC for his ongoing

right knee pain years earlier, but no mention of a back condition. An

orthopedic evaluation on 2008 noted the ongoing right knee condition but

a

normal gait and no back condition was recorded.

The Veteran had a BMI of 40 on 08/01/2014. He went on a diet and lost

100

pounds over 2-3 years. His current BMI in approximately 30. He is a

non-smoker. He drinks alcohol about about 5-6 beers on about 3-4 times

weekly. He currently works at Fort Lee as a academic counselor, which is

a

seated non-stenous job, although prolonged sitting will aggravate his

lower back.

Currently, he is having a flair of low back pain which started 5/3/2018

and he was evaluated on 5/04/2018 by his PCP at the Hunter Holmes McGuire

VAMC. He had been physically acitve prior to the onset of worsening back

pain without any specific injury or changes in the activity before the

pain decveloped by his rpeort. The PCP noted he had been participating in

kick boxing according to the PCP note, but the Veteran states the kick

boxing is non-combative and does not involve hitting but is more of a

movement exercise, but states he did not injure himself.

The Veteran appears very stiff and guarded with his back and prefers to

stand during the interview. he has difficulty moving about the exam table

due to low back pain, however on exal the lumbosacral muscles are flaccid

without spasm or tension, although it is painful to gently palpate the

lower lumbar muscles. The thoracic muscles are neither tender not tight.

b. Does the Veteran report flare-ups of the thoracolumbar spine (back)?

[X] Yes [ ] No

If yes, document the Veteran's description of the flare-ups in his

or her

own words:

The Veteran is currently have a flair with increased pain and

decreased movement of the lower back. He reports 2 such flairs over

the last year and will typically last 7-10 days, although currenlty

the symptoms have been present for 2 weeks.

c. Does the Veteran report having any functional loss or functional

impairment of the thoracolumbar spine (back) (regardless of repetitive use)?

[X] Yes [ ] No

If yes, document the Veteran's description of functional loss or

functional impairment in his or her own words.

The Veteran reports limiting his lifting to less than 15 pounds. He

does not sit longer than a few minutes before trying to change

position. He limits bending forward to pick up objects from the

floor. He states he limits his exercises to stretching and gentle

movements

3. Range of motion (ROM) and functional limitation

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a. Initial range of motion

[ ] All normal

[X] Abnormal or outside of normal range

[ ] Unable to test (please explain)

[ ] Not indicated (please explain)

Forward Flexion (0 to 90): 0 to 20 degrees

Extension (0 to 30): 0 to 18 degrees

Right Lateral Flexion (0 to 30): 0 to 14 degrees

Left Lateral Flexion (0 to 30): 0 to 12 degrees

Right Lateral Rotation (0 to 30): 0 to 24 degrees

Left Lateral Rotation (0 to 30): 0 to 20 degrees

If abnormal, does the range of motion itself contribute to a

functional loss? [X] Yes (please explain) [ ] No

If yes, please explain:

limited forward motion of lower back inhibit usual movments like

bending forward to pick up objects

Description of pain (select best response):

Pain noted on exam but does not result in/cause functional loss

If noted on exam, which ROM exhibited pain (select all that apply)?

Forward Flexion, Extension, Left Lateral Flexion, Left Lateral

Rotation,

Is there evidence of pain with weight bearing? [X] Yes [ ] No

Is there objective evidence of localized tenderness or pain on palpation

of the join

ts or associated soft tissue of the thoracolumbar spine (back)?

[X] Yes [ ] No

If yes, describe including location, severity and relationship to

condition(s):

tender lower lumbar muscle to light tough, but muscles without spasm

b. Observed repetitive use

Is the Veteran able to perform repetitive use testing with at least three

repetitions? [X] Yes [ ] No

Is there additional loss of function or range of motion after three

repetitions? [X] Yes [ ] No

Select all factors that cause this functional loss:

Pain

ROM after 3 repetitions:

Forward Flexion (0 to 90): 0 to 15 degrees

Extension (0 to 30): 0 to 10 degrees

Right Lateral Flexion (0 to 30): 0 to 10 degrees

Left Lateral Flexion (0 to 30): 0 to 10 degrees

Right Lateral Rotation (0 to 30): 0 to 24 degrees

Left Lateral Rotation (0 to 30): 0 to 20 degrees

c. Repeated use over time

Is the Veteran being examined immediately after repetitive use over time?

[ ] Yes [X] No

If the examination is not being conducted immediately after

repetitive

use over time:

[ ] The examination is medically consistent with the Veteran's

statements describing functional loss with repetitive use over

time.

[ ] The examination is medically inconsistent with the Veteran's

statements describing functional loss with repetitive use over

time. Please explain.

[X] The examination is neither medically consistent or inconsistent

with the Veteran's statements describing functional loss

with

repetitive use over time.

Does pain, weakness, fatigability or incoordination significantly limit

functional ability with repeated use over a period of time?

[X] Yes [ ] No [ ] Unable to say w/o mere speculation

Select all factors that cause this functional loss:

Pain

Able to describe in terms of range of motion: [ ] Yes [X] No

If no, please describe:

The Veteran states there is more pain and less function when the

joint is used over times repeatedly or during flair, but since

those conditions are not currently present to examine any further

estimation of ROM other than what is documented would be pure

estimation.

d. Flare-ups

Is the exam being conducted during a flare-up? [X] Yes [ ] No

Does pain, weakness, fatigability or incoordination significantly limit

functional ability with flare-ups?

[X] Yes [ ] No [ ] Unable to say w/o mere speculation

Select all factors that cause this functional loss:

Pain

Able to describe in terms of range of motion: [X] Yes [ ] No

Forward Flexion (0 to 90): 0 to 15 degrees

Extension (0 to 30): 0 to 10 degrees

Right Lateral Flexion (0 to 30): 0 to 10 degrees

Left Lateral Flexion (0 to 30): 0 to 10 degrees

Right Lateral Rotation (0 to 30): 0 to 24 degrees

Left Lateral Rotation (0 to 30): 0 to 20 degrees

e. Guarding and muscle spasm

Does the Veteran have guarding or muscle spasm of the thoracolumbar spine

(back)? [ ] Yes [X] No

f. Additional factors contributing to disability

In addition to those addressed above, are there additional contributing

factors of disability? Please select all that apply and describe:

Less movement than normal due to ankylosis, adhesions, etc.,

Disturbance

of locomotion, Interference with sitting

Please describe additional contributing factors of disability:

prolonged sitting and walking will worsen lower back pain

4. Muscle strength testing

--------------------------

a. Rate strength according to the following scale:

0/5 No muscle movement

1/5 Palpable or visible muscle contraction, but no joint movement

2/5 Active movement with gravity eliminated

3/5 Active movement against gravity

4/5 Active movement against some resistance

5/5 Normal strength

Hip flexion:

Right: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

Left: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

Knee extension:

Right: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

Left: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

 

Ankle plantar flexion:

Right: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

Left: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

Ankle dorsiflexion:

Right: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

Left: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

Great toe extension:

Right: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

Left: [X] 5/5 [ ] 4/5 [ ] 3/5 [ ] 2/5 [ ] 1/5 [ ] 0/5

b. Does the Veteran have muscle atrophy?

[ ] Yes [X] No

5. Reflex exam

--------------

Rate deep tendon reflexes (DTRs) according to the following scale:

0 Absent

1+ Hypoactive

2+ Normal

3+ Hyperactive without clonus

4+ Hyperactive with clonus

Knee:

Right: [ ] 0 [ ] 1+ [X] 2+ [ ] 3+ [ ] 4+

Left: [ ] 0 [ ] 1+ [X] 2+ [ ] 3+ [ ] 4+

Ankle:

Right: [ ] 0 [ ] 1+ [X] 2+ [ ] 3+ [ ] 4+

Left: [ ] 0 [ ] 1+ [X] 2+ [ ] 3+ [ ] 4+

6. Sensory exam

---------------

Provide results for sensation to light touch (dermatome) testing:

Upper anterior thigh (L2):

Right: [X] Normal [ ] Decreased [ ] Absent

Left: [X] Normal [ ] Decreased [ ] Absent

Thigh/knee (L3/4):

Right: [X] Normal [ ] Decreased [ ] Absent

Left: [X] Normal [ ] Decreased [ ] Absent

Lower leg/ankle (L4/L5/S1):

Right: [X] Normal [ ] Decreased [ ] Absent

Left: [X] Normal [ ] Decreased [ ] Absent

Foot/toes (L5):

Right: [X] Normal [ ] Decreased [ ] Absent

 

Left: [X] Normal [ ] Decreased [ ] Absent

7. Straight leg raising test

----------------------------

Provide straight leg raising test results:

Right: [X] Negative [ ] Positive [ ] Unable to perform

Left: [X] Negative [ ] Positive [ ] Unable to perform

8. Radiculopathy

----------------

Does the Veteran have radicular pain or any other signs or symptoms due to

radiculopathy?

[ ] Yes [X] No

9. Ankylosis

------------

Is there ankylosis of the spine? [ ] Yes [X] No

10. Other neurologic abnormalities

----------------------------------

Does the Veteran have any other neurologic abnormalities or findings related

to a thoracolumbar spine (back) condition (such as bowel or bladder

problems/pathologic reflexes)?

[ ] Yes [X] No

11. Intervertebral disc syndrome (IVDS) and episodes requiring bed rest

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a. Does the Veteran have IVDS of the thoracolumbar spine?

[ ] Yes [X] No

12. Assistive devices

---------------------

a. Does the Veteran use any assistive device(s) as a normal mode of

locomotion, although occasional locomotion by other methods may be

possible?

[X] Yes [ ] No

If yes, identify assistive device(s) used (check all that apply and

indicate frequency):

Assistive Device: Frequency of use:

----------------- -----------------

[X] Cane(s) [X] Occasional [ ] Regular [ ] Constant

b. If the Veteran uses any assistive devices, specify the condition and

identify the assistive device used for each condition:

veteran states occasionally uses walking stick to steady himself

whenback pain flairs

 

13. Remaining effective function of the extremities

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Due to a thoracolumbar spine (back) condition, is there functional

impairment

of an extremity such that no effective function remains other than that

which

would be equally well served by an amputation with prosthesis? (Functions of

the upper extremity include grasping, manipulation, etc.; functions of the

lower extremity include balance and propulsion, etc.)

[X] No

14. Other pertinent physical findings, complications, conditions, signs,

symptoms and scars

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a. Does the Veteran have any other pertinent physical findings,

complications, conditions, signs or symptoms related to any conditions

listed in the Diagnosis Section above?

[ ] Yes [X] No

b. Does the Veteran have any scars (surgical or otherwise) related to any

conditions or to the treatment of any conditions listed in the Diagnosis

Section above?

[ ] Yes [X] No

c. Comments, if any:

No response provided

15. Diagnostic testing

----------------------

a. Have imaging studies of the thoracolumbar spine been performed and are

the

results available?

[X] Yes [ ] No

If yes, is arthritis documented?

[X] Yes [ ] No

b. Does the Veteran have a thoracic vertebral fracture with loss of 50

percent or more of height?

[ ] Yes [X] No

c. Are there any other significant diagnostic test findings and/or results?

[ ] Yes [X] No

16. Functional impact

---------------------

Does the Veteran's thoracolumbar spine (back) condition impact on his or

her

ability to work?

[X] Yes [ ] No

 

If yes describe the impact of each of the Veteran's

thoracolumbar

spine (back) conditions providing one or more examples:

In regards to functional impairment related to occupations,

veteran

cannot perform tasks that require prolonged standing or sitting

without reasonable accommodation for change in position,

repetitive

bending or lifting, or any tasks that require lifting above his

head, pulling, pushing, crawling, or stooping. These activities

would aggravate his current back condition and veteran may not be

able to do these activities safely.

Veteran's back condition does affect his ability to perform

basic

activities of daily living without difficulty. Based on the

physical exam and medical record, veteran remains independent with

his basic ADLs but performs them with difficulty because of his

back condition. Specifically, his back condition affects his

ability to dress himself, perform personal hygiene, and ambulate

without pain or impairment

17. Remarks, if any:

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Minimal degenrative arthritic changes noted on lumbosacral xray 8/01/2014.

Per the VA Form 21-2507 related to this claim, this examiner addressed the

Correia questions listed. For any joint condition tested during this exam,

this examiner tested the affected joint listed in this claim along with the

contralateral joint, unless medically contraindicated, and this examiner

addressed pain on both passive and active motion, and on both weightbearing

and non-weightbearing. For all measurements listed on this exam, the

goniometer was used by this examiner. The measurements listed on this DBQ

reflect measured pain-free active movement using the goniometer.

In addition to the questions on the DBQ, this examiner responded to the

following questions:

1. Is there evidence of pain on passive range of motion testing?

(Yes, in the lower back.

2. Is there evidence of pain when the joint is used in non-weight

bearing? (Yes, at times in the lower back.

3. If yes, is the opposing joint undamaged (i.e. no abnormalities)?

There is no opposing joint to the thoracolumbar spine.

****************************************************************************

 

Medical Opinion

Disability Benefits Questionnaire

 

ACE and Evidence Review

-----------------------

Indicate method used to obtain medical information to complete this

document:

[X] In-person examination

Evidence Review

---------------

Evidence reviewed (check all that apply):

[X] VA e-folder (VBMS or Virtual VA)

[X] CPRS

MEDICAL OPINION SUMMARY

-----------------------

RESTATEMENT OF REQUESTED OPINION:

a. Opinion from general remarks: Is the Veteran's degenerative disc

disease/arthritis lumbar spine at least as likely as not (50% or greater

probability) proximately due to or the results of knee arthritis status post

patellar dislocation and arthroscopic knee surgery?

b. Indicate type of exam for which opinion has been requested: DBQ Musc Knee

TYPE OF MEDICAL OPINION PROVIDED: [ MEDICAL OPINION FOR SECONDARY SERVICE

CONNECTION ]

b. The condition claimed is less likely than not (less than 50%

probability) proximately due to or the result of the Veteran's service

connected condition.

c. Rationale: The Veteran injured his knee playing basketball in 2005 which

resulted in a patellar injury, subsequent surgery, ongoing pain and

evenetaully osteoarthritis of the right knee which causes the Veteran a good

deal of pain in the right knee.

There is no current gait abnormality from the knee injury noted on

examination today and review of the Veteran's medical records do not

show any

abberation in the Veteran's gait despite ongoing knee pain in medical

information available fom 5/28/2005, 07/24/2006, 11/03/2008, 08/01/2014,

03/21/2018, 4/26/2018 and 05/04/2018, which includes exams by orthopedic

 

(2008 and 3/21/2018) and PMR (04/26/2018) specialists.

The idea that an injury in one part of the body, espescially a lower limb,

will cause a condition to develop in another part of the body - such as the

low back, is a popular notion with little basis in fact.

A discussion paper, "Limping and Back Pain" in the The Workplace

Safety and

Insurance Appeals Tribunal, March 2004 and Revised: August 2013 prepared by:

Dr. Ian J. Harrington, B.A.Sc., P. Eng., M.D., F.R.C.S.(C), M.S., MSc.

(Strath.) examines the possible connection between limping from a number of

causes and the development of back pain.

The article states that in general only persons with a limp with an abnormal

gait caused by the lower leg condition MAY be at risk for developing a

condition in the lower back from excess torque or angulation of the lower

back with walking. According to the article, "it would probably be

necessary

for the limp to be severe and prolonged, meaning years, for it to have a

significant impact on the initiation or aggravation of arthritis of the

spine. As well, it would also be necessary for the Trendelenburg gait

pattern

to have been severe and present for an extended period of time, probably

years, to have any permanent effect on the spine. Even then, the article

states such evidence is limited and inconclusive.

However, most importantly, the Veteran has no such limp today, nor is a gait

abnormality or significant back angulation with movement ever noted in the

Veteran's medical records dating from 2005 until the present. Thus this

lack

of connecting physical findings and possible biomechanics makes it extremely

unlikely pain in the knee would then cause the Veteran to develop a back

condition in an anatomically separate area. Rather, the Veteran's back

condition is an independent finding sepatate in time and location from his

knee condition.

Low back pain is an extremely common problem in working-age people. Risk

factors associated with back pain complaints include smoking, obesity, age,

female gender, physically strenuous work, sedentary work, psychologically

strenuous work, low educational attainment, Workers' Compensation

insurance,

job dissatisfaction, and psychologic factors such as somatization disorder,

anxiety, and depression. Transient exposure to a number of modifiable

physical and psychosocial triggers substantially increases risk for a new

episode of lower back pain making one causal event difficult to pinpoint.

(Steffens, D., Ferreira, M. L., Latimer, J., Ferreira, P. H., Koes, B. W.,

Blyth, F., Li, Q. and Maher, C. G. (2015), What Triggers an Episode of Acute

Low Back Pain? A Case-Crossover Study. Arthritis Care & Research, 67:

403-410. doi:10.1002/acr.22533.)

 

Based on this examiner's review of current peer-reviewed literature

along

with a Cochrane Database Systemic Review, the systemic review of multiple

studies support that there is a causal association between obesity and low

back pain. Several possible mechanisms explain this association. First,

obesity could increase the mechanical load on the spine by causing a higher

compressive force or increased shear on the lumbar spine structures during

various activities. Obese people may also be more liable to incur accidental

injuries. Second, obesity may cause low back pain through systemic chronic

inflammation. Obesity is associated with increased production of cytokines

and acute-phase reactants and with activation of proinflammatory pathways,

which, in turn, may lead to pain. Third, population-based studies have shown

a stronger association of abdominal obesity than generalized obesity with

low

back pain. Other studies have reported that obesity is associated with disc

degeneration and vertebral endplate changes. Spinal mobility decreases with

increasing body weight, which may interfere with disc nutrition.

Atherosclerosis could cause malnutrition of the disc cells, which may

predispose to disc degeneration (The Association Between Obesity and Low

Back

Pain: A Meta-Analysis. Am J Epidemiol (2009) 171 (2): 135-154.) The Veteran

was nearly 300 pounds with a BMI of 40 at the point the Veteran sought

medical attention for back pain. While obesity was not likely the sole

causal factor either, it more likely than not a combination of factors such

as obesity, sedentary work and others were the root of the Veteran's

onset of

his current back condition.

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TYPE OF MEDICAL OPINION PROVIDED: [ MEDICAL OPINION FOR AGGRAVATION OF A

NONSERVICE CONNECTED CONDITION BY A SERVICE CONNECTED CONDITI0N ]

a. Can you determine a baseline level of severity of (claimed

condition/diagnosis) based upon medical evidence available prior to

aggravation or the earliest medical evidence following aggravation by

(service connected condition)? Yes

i. Describe the baseline level of severity of (claimed

condition/diagnosis) based upon medical evidence available prior to

aggravation or the earliest medical evidence following aggravation by

(service connected condition): The Veteran was noted to have a normal

spinal exam and no reported pain in the lower back on 7/24/2006 during a

C&P

examination shortly after his discharge.

ii. Provide the date and nature of the medical evidence used to provide the

baseline: C&P examination examined all claimed conditions at that time

in

2006 which included the right knee, which was noted to have a debility, and

the spine which was noted to be normal by the examining provider.

iii. Is the current severity of the (claimed condition/diagnosis) greater

than the baseline? Yes

If yes, was the Veteran's (claimed condition/diagnosis) at least as

likely as not aggravated beyond its natural progression by (insert

"service

connected condition")? No

b. Provide rationale: There is no medical doucmentation to link the level

of debility or dysfunction of the Veteran's service-connected knee

condition

and his claimed condition of the lumboscaral back.

There is currently no gait abnormality from the knee injury noted on

examination today and review of the Veteran's medical records do not

show any

abberation in the Veteran's gait despite ongoing knee pain in medical

information available fom 5/28/2005, 07/24/2006, 11/03/2008, 08/01/2014,

03/21/2018, 4/26/2018 and 05/04/2018, which includes exams by orthopedic

(2008 and 3/21/2018) and PMR (04/26/2018) specialists.

As noted in prior opinion, the idea that an injury in one part of the body,

espescially a lower limb, will cause a condition to develop in another part

of the body - such as the low back, is a popular notion with little basis in

fact.

A discussion paper, "Limping and Back Pain" in the The Workplace

Safety and

Insurance Appeals Tribunal, March 2004 and Revised: August 2013 prepared

by:

Dr. Ian J. Harrington, B.A.Sc., P. Eng., M.D., F.R.C.S.(C), M.S., MSc.

(Strath.) examines the possible connection between limping from a number of

causes and the development of back pain.

The article states that in general only persons with a limp of abnormal gait

caused by the lower leg condition MAY be at risk for developing a condition

in the lower back from excess torque or angulation of the lower back with

walking. According to the article, "it would probably be necessary for

the

limp to be severe and prolonged, meaning years, for it to have a significant

impact on the initiation or aggravation of arthritis of the spine. As well,

it would also be necessary for the Trendelenburg gait pattern to have been

severe and present for an extended period of time, probably years, to have

any permanent effect on the spine. Even then, the article states such

evidence is limited and inconclusive.

However, most importantly, the Veteran has no such limp today, nor is a

Gait abnormality or significant back angulation with movement ever noted in the

Veteran's medical records dating from 2005 until the present. Thus this

lack

of connecting physical findings and possible biomechanics makes it extremely

unlikely pain in the knee would then cause the Veteran to develop a back

condition or aggravate an existing back problem in an anatomically separate

area. Rather, the Veteran's back condition is an independent finding

sepatate in time and location from his knee condition.

*************************************************************************

/es/ JAMES C DYE, M.D.

PRIMARY CARE ATTENDING

Signed: 05/17/2018 14:32

 

 

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Looks strangely familiar to my VA notes by my C&P examiner. I'm so hot and angry now. Between the C&P exams and the wait times, this crap sure gets old doesn't it?

 

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11 minutes ago, Sgt. Wilky said:

Looks strangely familiar to my VA notes by my C&P examiner. I'm so hot and angry now. Between the C&P exams and the wait times, this crap sure gets old doesn't it?

 

Sgt. Wilky

Yes it does.  This examiner is going off of notes and information over a decade ago.  How can it be comprehensible to think info from 2006 is comparable to 2018, 12 years ago.  It sickens me to no end.

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18 minutes ago, Sgt. Wilky said:

Looks strangely familiar to my VA notes by my C&P examiner. I'm so hot and angry now. Between the C&P exams and the wait times, this crap sure gets old doesn't it?

 

Sgt. Wilky

Does it look like that from the sentence of the doc's notes, "Rather, the Veteran's back condition is an independent finding

sepatate in time and location from his knee condition", that I should claim the back condition solely by itself rather than as a secondary condition as I did in my current claim?

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This examiner didn't do you any favors thats for sure

If you can or able to afford a IMO/IME go to a specialist have him/her to examine you use a DBQ like this one and  take this DBQ with you ask the private Dr to do his own exam and give his opinion he needs to refute this examiner. & compare the DBQ's And submit the New IMO/IME as new evidence

Just be open and honest with the private Dr and hope and pray he will help you out  they are private Dr's out there that will help.

I had a C&P Examiner do this to me years ago  and he went on to say I shouldn't be service connected in the first place  (with my medical and service records right in front of him (which obviously he never read)...I got a IMO/IME with a specialist and he tore that VA Examiner up , he went into more details about my condition and read my medical records that pertaint to the condition I was claiming.

although my NOD was having a DRO Hearing at my R.O. the DRO took my private Dr's opinion over this VA Examiner  and expedited my claim.

you need a Veteran friendly private Dr to help you out..just call around until you find one that will help you.

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you need to claim what ever condition that you have , if you think it was cause from your military service or can be secondary to a condition you have,.

check your PCP Clinician progress notes & speciality clinics notes on myhealthvet  and see if they have you diagnosed for any other condition that you don't know about? try to remember if it could be military related? do you have the medical records as key evidence?

 ...you be surprised what those Docs write up in there reports each time you see them.

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