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Mere Speculation Comp and Pen


Hello Fellow Veteran 20 year retired disabled Navy veteran, quick ?? I am going for unemployability through the VA just had my comp and Pen, I do check off all the DBQ according to the therapist , but at the end of it she said in her opinion it would be mere speculation on rather I should get unemployability or not. What’s that mean thanks 

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This article from the Veterans Law Blog might be helpful https://www.veteranslawblog.org/veterans-disability-benefits-service-connection-cannot-be-determined-without-resort-to-speculation/

Ever Seen This Phrase Before?

Have you seen this phrase in your Rating Decision from the VA (or even in the C&P Examiner’s notes of examination:  “It is not possible to resolve the issue of etiology [medical causation] of condition X without resort to speculation.”

If you have seen this phrase, then it is quite possible that the VA has failed in its duty to assist.

From the outset, let me say that I am sympathetic to the many VA Doctors who are trying, honestly, to do the job of being a doctor. Many times, the VA puts these treating physicians in the uncomfortable position of having to play detective, not doctor.   Many of these doctors, uncomfortable with making a determination about the precise etiology of a particular condition, will simply say that they cannot know without speculation.  The problem is that the VA claims examiners latched on to this language, and started cutting and pasting it into the Ratings Decisions.

The language, originally intended by the Doctor to state that he (or she) simply didn’t have enough medical evidence to determine etiology or service-connection became a tool for the VA Claims Examiner to avoid doing their job.

In a March 2010 decision, the Court of Appeals for Veterans’ Claims (CAVC)said “no mas” to this kind of Rating Decision.  The BVA came to several conclusions about the “mere speculation” language in a Ratings Decision or Examiner’s Opinion:

1) When a C&P examiner concludes that service-connection cannot be determined without resort to speculation, it must be clear, from either the examiner’s statements or the decision of the BVA, that the examiner has considered “all procurable and assembled data,” by obtaining all tests and records that might reasonably illuminate the medical analysis; when the record leaves the issue in doubt, it is the BVA‘s duty to remand for further development

2)  Before the BVA may rely aVA medical examiner’s conclusion that a service-connection opinion would be speculative, the examiner must explain the basis for such an opinion or the basis must otherwise be apparent in the BVA‘s review of the evidence.

3) A medical examiner who states “no conclusion as to etiology or diagnosis can be reached without resorting to speculation” may be obligated to research medical literature; his/her conclusions as to service connection must reflect the limitations of knowledge in the medical community at large and not those of a particular examiner or doctor;

4) A VA medical examiner who states “no conclusion as to etiology or diagnosis can be reached without resorting to speculation” should clearly identify exactly what facts cannot be determined.  The CAVC stated that it must be clear in the doctor’s remarks “…whether it cannot be determined from current medical knowledge that a specific in-service injury or disease can possibly cause the claimed condition, or that the actual cause cannot be selected from multiple potential causes…”

The CAVC made it clear that every situation where this language appears in a C&P Examiner notes or a Ratings Decision is not going to result in a finding that the opinion is inadequate. But, when the author used this phrase to “lazy” himself or herself out of writing a well-reasoned decision based on all of the evidence that should be available, considering the knowledge of the medical community at large, and most importantly, articulating that it did so, it is quite likely that this phrase alone might suffice to get your VA claim for disability benefits remanding back to the BVA or the VA Regional Office to supply additional medical evidence or opinions.

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Yep.  What Tbird said. (From Chris Attig).  

I will try to summarize.  

You wont be getting tdiu with that "lack of" a doctors opinion on your etiology.  You need a more specific opinion.  That is, a doc needs to say its at least as likely as not you are unable to work due to sc conditions.  

If you get that statement, from a doctor, then you are good to go.  However, if you dont have a definate opinion ("without resorting to speculation"), then you can spend consiberable time on the remand hamster wheel.  You choose which.  

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Well my ??? Why would the VA take a mere speculation opinion as a denial?? My opinion either the should get the veteran another comp and pen or approve it based of uncertainty... it’s not the veterans fault that the comp and pen doctor can’t come up with a decision?? Am I wrong ??Thanks 

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I agree with broncovet

as to why the VA won't take mere ''speculation'' is were not medical professionals  *(specialized Dr's)

  After a qualified Dr examines you and reads pertinent medical records   it is then he/she can give a professional medical opinion  and as broncovet mention above

''That is, a doc needs to say its at least as likely as not you are unable to work due to sc conditions. '' 

also you mention

it’s not the veterans fault that the comp and pen doctor can’t come up with a decision?? Am I wrong ??Thanks 

C&P Examiners are trained to give a C&P Exam and WRITE a report on their findings  from medical records and by asking the veteran questions.

  in this report he/she will write what he finds and then send this report to the VA (raters) VA Reginol Office,   its the rater who makes the decision based off the C&P MEDICAL REPORT.

C&P Examiners do not make the decision but play a very important roll  so-to -speak In the Rater decision

Then when the Veteran gets the decision  he as an option he can select if he disagrees with the decision? FILE A Notice of Disagrement within one year of the decision  or wait for the SOC and file I9 to the BVA (assuming a denial)

This is why C&P Exams are very important to veterans.

Edited by Buck52

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I have never filed for TDUI and the DBQ for it, but wouldn't the C&P person need to render and opinion based on the facts they have received?  IE:  if you checked all the boxes for UI would the facts not require the C&P to go off of what they have in front of them?

I am a bit confused.  I am assuming you asked the C&P person if you would get UI?  If so they will never tell you yes or no.  This would be an admission you could come back and say but this C&P person said I would get it.  I know they have been very hesitant to say what their option is in front of the vet.  So if this is the case I would not read too much into until you see what the final result is.  

Remember they are told to not give out any information past what is already in your file and defiantly not to give the vet a "You sure do check all the boxes so I am sure you will get UI".

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