Jump to content
HadIt.com Anniversary 24 years on Jan 20, 2021 ×

  • veteranscrisisline-badge-chat-1.gif

  • Fund HadIt.com

    $1,598.00 of $1,500.00 Donate Now
  • Advertisemnt

  • 14 Questions about VA Disability Compensation Benefits Claims


    When a Veteran starts considering whether or not to file a VA Disability Claim, there are a lot of questions that he or she tends to ask. Over the last 10 years, the following are the 14 most common basic questions I am asked about ...
    Continue Reading
  • Most Common VA Disabilities Claimed for Compensation:   


  • Advertisemnt

  • VA Watchdog

  • Advertisemnt

  • Ads

  • Can a 100 percent Disabled Veteran Work and Earn an Income?

    employment 2.jpeg

    You’ve just been rated 100% disabled by the Veterans Affairs. After the excitement of finally having the rating you deserve wears off, you start asking questions. One of the first questions that you might ask is this: It’s a legitimate question – rare is the Veteran that finds themselves sitting on the couch eating bon-bons … Continue reading

HadIt.com Anniversary 24 years on Jan 20, 2021
  • 0

Latest Compensation & Pension (C&P) Clinicians Guide as of 2020


This is the latest Compensation & Pension (C&P) Clinicians Guide dated 20180719. The only other one I've seen is dated 2002, including the one on this website and the VA website. I got this from my claims agent, who got it from the VA.

VA Compensation & Pension (C&P) Clinicians Guide 2 Final Corrected 20180719.pdf

  • Like 4
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Answers 12
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters For This Question

Top Posters For This Question

Popular Posts

This is the latest Compensation & Pension (C&P) Clinicians Guide dated 20180719. The only other one I've seen is dated 2002, including the one on this website and the VA website. I got this fr

Recommended Posts

  • 0
20 hours ago, marathonjon said:

This is the latest Compensation & Pension (C&P) Clinicians Guide dated 20180719. The only other one I've seen is dated 2002, including the one on this website and the VA website. I got this from my claims agent, who got it from the VA.

VA Compensation & Pension (C&P) Clinicians Guide 2 Final Corrected 20180719.pdf 277.86 kB · 25 downloads

Thanks, needed that.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
20 hours ago, marathonjon said:

This is the latest Compensation & Pension (C&P) Clinicians Guide dated 20180719. The only other one I've seen is dated 2002, including the one on this website and the VA website. I got this from my claims agent, who got it from the VA.

VA Compensation & Pension (C&P) Clinicians Guide 2 Final Corrected 20180719.pdf 277.86 kB · 26 downloads

A quick scan tells me that the clinicians on the ground have different instructions. 

For example, I have a wrist injury.  The examiner's refuse to examine the metacarpal- carpal articulation of the thumb because only the metacarpal-carpal  articulation of the fingers is ordered by the RO.  Hearing loss claims do not include loss by tinnitus in examinations and the audiologist will not fill in the block for tinnitus even when requested most times even though it is reported to them during the audiogram as a problem for high frequency tones.

The Clinician's guide is compliant with 38 CFR 4.42 for injury examinations.  The injury examinations done at the VA are not.  Where do you find the instructions to the Rating Officer ordering the examination and the reason the examiners state they are not allowed to deviate from the specific ordered examination?

The links are to VBAW?  Will not produce?  The link to your document worked fine but there is no trail to see where it downloaded from?

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

Not in the usual VA flourish publication.  But I recognize Marjorie Auer in the acknowledgements as the BVA Judge who rendered my May 11, 2017 BVA decision.

The 2002 version download in Word.  Doesn't appear to be as complete as the 2018 version.  This may be a work still in progress while we are not seeing what is actually going on with direct instructions and guidelines to the practitioners who are actually doing C&P examinations today.

And then it could be just look nice stuff to placate upset veterans.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

Lemuel, I'm not an expert on C&P exams, but I've been slogging through the M21-1, which addresses the exams in Part III, Subpart iv, Chapter 3. Section A of this chapter mentions several tools for inputting examination requests. I'm sure they are internal tools that are only accessible by the RO and the examiner. You can find this section here: https://www.knowva.ebenefits.va.gov/system/templates/selfservice/va_ssnew/help/customer/locale/en-US/portal/554400000001018/content/554400000015809/M21-1,-Part-III,-Subpart-iv,-Chapter-3,-Section-A---Examination-Requests-Overview.

As I said, I got this version of the Clinician's Guide from my claims agent; all I know is she got it from the VA, I don't know anything about VBAW.

If you can't get the VA-appointed examiner to examine you properly and report it properly, then your only recourse is to get an independent medical examination and opinion. Unfortunately, they are not cheap, and it can be hard to find someone willing to do them. Beware of the ones who say they can do them by video; the VA does not accept these from private providers (even though they accept so-called telehealth exams from VA providers and contractors).

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Answer this question...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Ads

  • Ads

  • Similar Content

    • By coachescrew
      I submitted a claim and was awarded compensation for "tinittus."  The award packet/letter I recv'd from VA said that they thought I was also eligible for "Hearing Loss."
      As a result, I submitted my claim with the same reports and test results I had from two different private Audiologist Dr.'s. I then received a call two days ago asking me to schedule a C&P exam to do a hearing test. I explained to them that I had already gone through Extensive testing with two different Dr's (Audiologist and another M.D. at a Hearing and Balance center) and submitted all of that paperwork, along with my Medical records showing the issues I had while in the military.
      QUESTION: If I don't attend the C&P exam, will they just use the information I submitted from my private Doctors and my medical records or do I HAVE to have a C&P exam before they will award compensation?  I have heard people say that I shouldn't go and they will just end up using the data I provided. Not sure if this is true or not.
      Look forward to your feedback and Happy New Year to all.
    • By scottishere99
      My question is I finally  received my Military Medical record from the VA after 17months,  upon review I found the documentation of my problem with my hand joints swollen and painful.  I have been seeing a Rheumatologist since 2009 when i got out after 20yrs of service.  so my question is how should I submit the missing information i.e. DD FORM 2807-1  BLOCK 12 H, Swollen or Painful Joints and Block 29 12H 6 months now painful and swollen hands and finger joints, Block 30  12h, hand swelling in the AM, minimally controlled on Naproxen.   This was documented January 7th 2009  during the time i was having my C&P Exams.  Also when I submit this information to the VA would this be something I would be entitled to back pay?  My Rheumatologist has told me she would write me a letter stating that this is more then likely the start of my problems with my hands.  Also the sailors I work with will write buddy letters on how my hand will be swollen all the time along with my wife letter stating the pain that my hands cause me and limit my activities in working in the yard and on my house.  

    • By deedub75
      Why does the VA continue to make it more difficult for us to view our C&P exams? First, they took away our access to exams done by contractors and now they delay our access to exams done at VAMCs.  
      In the not too distant past, I was able to walk into the VAMC records department, fill out a form and instantly get copies of contractor performed exams. Now the VAMC no longer gets copies of those exams. They said they used to get a courtesy copy of the exams but they no longer get them.  I say B.S.  
      I had an exam done at the VAMC on September 11, 2020. I've been checking my VAMC medical records online every day waiting for a copy of the exam to show up there. A note is in there now saying that they won't put the exam in the records until after 30 days has passed. Why do something like that? I don't think it's always been that way. Maybe I can go to the VAMC records office and request a copy but who knows? 
      It seems like VBA is making it difficult for us to view our exams before they are used to rate our claims.  Don't forget that they also took away the 48 hour hold that the VSOs used to have to review our claims before they were finalized.  
    • By ADAMS
      I have a C&P exam coming up for my knees, While I was in service I served aboard 2 different ships, I hear that Ship board ladders are bad on your knees, I didn't start having a problem with my knees until we had our PRT test, during this time I was on recruiting duty, while I was running i slipped into a hole and fell, It was documented and I went to my private physician, he documented that there was swelling and the xray results showed Ostephytes on my left knee, it was sore for weeks, from there I feel like i over compensated for my right knee, I had knee replacement on my right knee last year, 9 years after I retired. I was diagnosed 6 years later after retiring that I had moderate to severe osteoarthritis in both knees. Any one experienced claims for this disease. just wondering and am nervous about my C&P exam that the examiner wont see it my way. Thanks
    • By Logarius
      Hi, I am curious and thought I would ask here. I was trying to find out what my effective date is. I reached out to the DAV to find out if they would be going back to 2011 since my initial C&P exam. Here below was there response:
      10/20/11, you filed a claim
      1/17/12, the VA said you failed to report to exams (FTR)
      4/2/12, the VA deferred decisions on your back and GERD
      3/11/13, the VA denied the claims because they said you failed to report to exams in 2012
      12/31/13, you filed for your back and GERD again
      11/27/15, the VA denied the claim
      7/14/17 you re-filed and attended exams, that is the date of service connection.  If you wouldn’t have had over a year in between these then they could’ve gone back, but as you can see by the screen shot included, there was no activity between 2015 and 2017.
      Does this make sense the fact that I missed just single one year in 2016 of continuous reapplying that I can't go back to 2011?? I've tried to look all over the place to find something in the VA to support this but haven't found anything.
  • Ads

  • Our picks

    • I already get compensation for bladder cancer for Camp Lejeune Water issue, now that it is added to Agent Orange does it mean that the VA should pay me the difference between Camp Lejeune and 1992 when I retired from the Marine Corps or do I have to re-apply for it for Agent Orange, or will the VA look at at current cases already receiving bladder cancer compensation. I’m considered 100% Disabled Permanently 
      • 10 replies
    • 5,10, 20 Rule
      The 5, 10, 20 year rules...

      Five Year Rule) If you have had the same rating for five or more years, the VA cannot reduce your rating unless your condition has improved on a sustained basis. All the medical evidence, not just the reexamination report, must support the conclusion that your improvement is more than temporary.

      Ten Year Rule) The 10 year rule is after 10 years, the service connection is protected from being dropped.

      Twenty Year Rule) If your disability has been continuously rated at or above a certain rating level for 20 or more years, the VA cannot reduce your rating unless it finds the rating was based on fraud. This is a very high standard and it's unlikely the rating would get reduced.

      If you are 100% for 20 years (Either 100% schedular or 100% TDIU - Total Disability based on Individual Unemployability or IU), you are automatically Permanent & Total (P&T). And, that after 20 years the total disability (100% or IU) is protected from reduction for the remainder of the person's life. "M-21-1-IX.ii.2.1.j. When a P&T Disability Exists"

      At 55, P&T (Permanent & Total) or a few other reasons the VBA will not initiate a review. Here is the graphic below for that. However if the Veteran files a new compensation claim or files for an increase, then it is YOU that initiated to possible review.

      NOTE: Until a percentage is in place for 10 years, the service connection can be removed. After that, the service connection is protected.


      Example for 2020 using the same disability rating

      1998 - Initially Service Connected @ 10%

      RESULT: Service Connection Protected in 2008

      RESULT: 10% Protected from reduction in 2018 (20 years)

      2020 - Service Connection Increased @ 30%

      RESULT: 30% is Protected from reduction in 2040 (20 years)
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 41 replies
    • Post in New BVA Grants
      While the BVA has some discretion here, often they "chop up claims".  For example, BVA will order SERVICE CONNECTION, and leave it up to the VARO the disability percent and effective date.  

      I hate that its that way.  The board should "render a decision", to include service connection, disability percentage AND effective date, so we dont have to appeal "each" of those issues over then next 15 years on a hamster wheel.  
    • Finally heard back that I received my 100% Overall rating and a 100% PTSD rating Following my long appeal process!

      My question is this, given the fact that my appeal was on the advanced docket and is an “Expedited” appeal, what happens now and how long(ish) is the process from here on out with retro and so forth? I’ve read a million things but nothing with an expedited appeal status.

      Anyone deal with this situation before? My jump is from 50 to 100 over the course of 2 years if that helps some. I only am asking because as happy as I am, I would be much happier to pay some of these bills off!
        • Like
      • 13 replies
    • I told reviewer that I had a bad C&P, and that all I wanted was a fair shake, and she even said, that was what she was all ready viewed for herself. The first C&P don't even  reflect my Treatment in the VA PTSD clinic. In my new C&P I was only asked about symptoms, seeing shit, rituals, nightmares, paying bills and about childhood, but didn't ask about details of it. Just about twenty question, and  nothing about stressor,
  • Ads

  • Popular Contributors

  • Ad

  • Latest News
  • Create New...

Important Information

{terms] and Guidelines