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Pete53 Grand Master

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The VA tries to say that suicide is an intentional unlawful act and tries not to pay. The bottom libe is don't count on spouse getting benefits unless you have 19 years of 100%.

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Betrayed this as with all disability claims would depend on the medical evidence. If the death report read suicide due to depression coupled with a statement from you treating pysc saying that in the last days you seemed more depressed and displayed suicidal tendices and then he/she added the ole at least as likely as not then I think it would be a service connected death JMHO - please don't take my opinion as advise and test the system ole boy. You scare the hell out of me by just asking such a question. Are you ok my buddy?????

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This is the official VA take on the issue:

3.302 Service connection for mental unsoundness in suicide.

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(a) General. (1) In order for suicide to constitute willful misconduct, the act of self-destruction must be intentional.

(2) A person of unsound mind is incapable of forming an intent (mens rea, or guilty mind, which is an essential element of crime or willful misconduct).

(3) It is a constant requirement for favorable action that the precipitating mental unsoundness be service connected.

(:D Evidence of mental condition. (1) Whether a person, at the time of suicide, was so unsound mentally that he or she did not realize the consequence of such an act, or was unable to resist such impulse is a question to be determined in each individual case, based on all available lay and medical evidence pertaining to his or her mental condition at the time of suicide.

(2) The act of suicide or a bona fide attempt is considered to be evidence of mental unsoundness. Therefore, where no reasonable adequate motive for suicide is shown by the evidence, the act will be considered to have resulted from mental unsoundness.

(3) A reasonable adequate motive for suicide may be established by affirmative evidence showing circumstances which could lead a rational person to self-destruction.

© Evaluation of evidence. (1) Affirmative evidence is necessary to justify reversal of service department findings of mental unsoundness where Department of Veterans Affairs criteria do not otherwise warrant contrary findings.

(2) In all instances any reasonable doubt should be resolved favorably to support a finding of service connection (see §3.102).

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You scare the hell out of me by just asking such a question. Are you ok my buddy?????

Nope I'm not ok, thank you for asking. Started having hallucinations. Went to the doctor at the VAMC no beds in the hotel, same old shit. Pretty much made my mind up. My only concern is my wife being taken care of. If you never hear from me again you can assume what has happened. I am updating http://www.betrayedveteran.com/mystory.html right now so there is a public record. Later boys and girls.

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Betrayed:

You feel bad and so you are going to basically screw your wife and let the VA win? That does not make sense to me.

Please call me at 214 691 0530 and talk about it.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

If not me ask for help from a professional not associated with VA. Please wait before you do anything harmful.

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Betrayed:

Please do not give in to the urge to end it all. Even if your wife did manage to win a claim with VA, she would still have to live with the conseqences, feelings of guilt, etc. I could go on & on but will leave at that.

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Please hang in there. I am sorry that my knowledge is limited, but I do care for you and will help you in any way that I can. My daughter did this and with God's help, and her doctors, she survivded.

I am sure that there are some on this site that can help you more than I can. I will pray for you.

Josephine

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Please hang in there. I will pray for you.

Josephine

Thank you and everyone else, when u start hallucinating and having conversations with a cat in front of your wife, you know your not dreaming and something is wrong, its time to go away for a while. I need a lake, some sun, a boat and a fishing pole, thats not to much to ask for is it? Then how come I cant get it?

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Where do you live?

Spring is here, although, where I live in Virginia, the weather has not been the best. We did have nice sunny weather, but it has been chilly and cold for the last two weeks.

The weather is susposed to change for the better. What you are asking for doesn't seem to be impossible.

Does your wife know someone that owns a boat?

Do you live close to any of the members on Had-it?

Anyone out there own a boat?

Josephine

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I really appreciate the care and messages I have got, just got a PM from sixthscents. I have always said no one cares about a vet like other vets. Thats the way it is and always will be. No one else gives a dam, on memorial day and veterans day, other than that they dont remember us.

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Jim, There are several lakes in Michigan that are acessable. It would be great if you can make it to Lake Saint Claire. The Smallmouth Bass fishing there is excellent. I wish I did not live so far away or I would come up there and take you fishing. I know Michigan has a fishing season and it may be too early.

I have several friends that live there and I can get you a guided trip on oneo of the bass lakes if necessary.

J Basser

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Betrayed,

No two ways about it, hallucinations suck.

Just read your website and your treatment by the VA is beyond comprehension.

I feel totally inadequate to offer you any advice but I do want you to know that I respect that you are doing the best that you can and I pray that you will continue to try to hold it together for your sake and your wife's sake.

Is the VA your only treatment option? Is private medical care available through your wife's insurance an option?

How about the local mental health department? They operate on a sliding fee scale here and if you are feeling suicial they will get you in same day to talk to a real doc who can asses you and help you find a treatment facility. You may be a vet but you're also still a citizen of whatever county and state you live in.

Any hospitals in your area that are non-profits that would have to admit you if you present suicidal ideation?

Have you or your wife contacted any private mental health facilities in the area and let them know you are a disabled vet (ask them to read your website) and checked to see if they might waive all fees?

I am grasping at straws for you but something other than VA may be a better answer for you right now to get you over this threatening time.

Please hang in there. Know that you are a valued member at hadit.com and your buddies here (especially those of us who have fought the same mental health battles you are fighting) would be devastated beyond words if you were to check out early.

You and your family are in my prayers.

ts snave

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Betrayed,

Please hang in there. Know that you are a valued member at hadit.com and your buddies here (especially those of us who have fought the same mental health battles you are fighting) would be devastated beyond words if you were to check out early.

You and your family are in my prayers.

ts snave

I have recvd several PM's one this am asking about me. I am feeling much better and appreciate you guys.

Thanks for caring........................Jim

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