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I am working with a VN vet who was punished for speaking out about his feelings regarding the war. Because of questioning the basis of the war he was eventually put in the Psych Ward and tested with Thorazine, and ended up with PTSD due to being put in solitary, etc. etc. (Long story short version.)

What I am looking for is anyone else who has gone through this, how they have dealt with it, and if they/you are interested in going public for either a 'class action' or letting the public know, since this seems to be a 'typical' way that the military has used of silencing people.

If you contact me, I will forward the info to the veteran.

Thanks,

Susan

smith715@comcast.net

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If this vet is documented with PTSD and has any proof of any nexus to service-

"Because of questioning the basis of the war he was eventually put in the Psych Ward and tested with Thorazine, and ended up with PTSD due to being put in solitary, etc. etc. (Long story short version"

That must be documented somewhere-if so he has a valid claim for service connected benefits, if this was after the war

I strongly suggest that you ask to see this vets DD 214 and real proof of what he is telling you. If you mean by VN- Vietnam-

he has had forty years to either file a VA claim or to

take enough action himself to tell you he discovered that a class action on this basis does not work due to the Feres Doctrine, if it is against the military.

There is something wrong with this picture- check that DD 214 and also his actual diagnosis.

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I am working with a VN vet who was punished for speaking out about his feelings regarding the war. Because of questioning the basis of the war he was eventually put in the Psych Ward and tested with Thorazine, and ended up with PTSD due to being put in solitary, etc. etc. (Long story short version.)

What I am looking for is anyone else who has gone through this, how they have dealt with it, and if they/you are interested in going public for either a 'class action' or letting the public know, since this seems to be a 'typical' way that the military has used of silencing people.

If you contact me, I will forward the info to the veteran.

Thanks,

Susan

smith715@comcast.net

There was a (CBS) 60 minutes report about the military experimenting with psych patients in military hospitals. It was pretty gruesome. They used numerous different types of drugs on these patients. They did not disclose to the veterans that they were given experimental drugs. CBS followed the case of one Vietnam era veteran in particular. They were able to locate all the documentation. The military did not destroy them. The 60 Minutes report could have been on as long as 15 yeas ago. Check with them as to the ways that the documents were found...

His situation is totally possible. I served in the USN in Virginia from1968 and 1969. At that time the country and the persons on active duty were split as to our involvement in the war. There were articles in the news papers about officers giving up there commissions. Many people went to jail over the Viet Nam war. I am sure many active duty personnel wound up in psych wards. The moral level was a large problem. My CO told me that the incidence of administrative discharges due to psych problems was 10 times as high as it was prior to the Viet Nam war. He blamed this on the anti war movement. Why did he tell me this? I was in fact investigated for being part of the anti war movement. There was a march in Washington DC. Several people who I played cards with in the barracks went to the moratorium. They came back to the base wearing armbands. These people disappeared. Commanders did not want these people in there units. I figured they wound up in jail or in a psych ward. When they realized that my problems involved symptoms and reactions to a medical condition, they dropped there investigation.

There were many people who were at odds with the military. They wound up in mess duty or other unwanted assignments. I know this because they put me in the same assignment due to the fact that I was having symptoms of angioedema. When several of these folks disappeared I happened to run into them the day they were being re assigned. They were transferred to hospitals for psychiatric evaluation, transferred to a ship doing a West Pac or discharged. The ones discharged were escorted off the base and taken to the closest airport. How do I know this, they did it to me.

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There was a (CBS) 60 minutes report about the military experimenting with psych patients in military hospitals. It was pretty gruesome. They used numerous different types of drugs on these patients. They did not disclose to the veterans that they were given experimental drugs. CBS followed the case of one Vietnam era veteran in particular. They were able to locate all the documentation. The military did not destroy them. The 60 Minutes report could have been on as long as 15 yeas ago. Check with them as to the ways that the documents were found...

His situation is totally possible. I served in the USN in Virginia from1968 and 1969. At that time the country and the persons on active duty were split as to our involvement in the war. There were articles in the news papers about officers giving up there commissions. Many people went to jail over the Viet Nam war. I am sure many active duty personnel wound up in psych wards. The moral level was a large problem. My CO told me that the incidence of administrative discharges due to psych problems was 10 times as high as it was prior to the Viet Nam war. He blamed this on the anti war movement. Why did he tell me this? I was in fact investigated for being part of the anti war movement. There was a march in Washington DC. Several people who I played cards with in the barracks went to the moratorium. They came back to the base wearing armbands. These people disappeared. Commanders did not want these people in there units. I figured they wound up in jail or in a psych ward. When they realized that my problems involved symptoms and reactions to a medical condition, they dropped there investigation.

There were many people who were at odds with the military. They wound up in mess duty or other unwanted assignments. I know this because they put me in the same assignment due to the fact that I was having symptoms of angioedema. When several of these folks disappeared I happened to run into them the day they were being re assigned. They were transferred to hospitals for psychiatric evaluation, transferred to a ship doing a West Pac or discharged. The ones discharged were escorted off the base and taken to the closest airport. How do I know this, they did it to me.

Why would they experiment with drugs on Americans you ask? Wake up- it was war. According to the CBS special the American military was trying to develop "truth serums" that they could use on captured enemy soldiers. The number of American soldiers whos lives would be saved by good intellegence from captured enemy soldiers justied blowing the minds of Americans who were in hospital psych wards because they were against the war.

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Why would they experiment with drugs on Americans you ask? Wake up- it was war. According to the CBS special the American military was trying to develop "truth serums" that they could use on captured enemy soldiers. The number of American soldiers whos lives would be saved by good intellegence from captured enemy soldiers justied blowing the minds of Americans who were in hospital psych wards because they were against the war.

The Idea that Viet Nam era veterans are still coming out of the wood work to face the issues of there military service does not suprise me. The impact the war had on veterans for a wide range reasons such as being ordered to commit autrocities to being spit on and called baby killer when returning home. caused many Viet nam veterans to head for the hills and isolate.

It took me 26 years to file a claim for an aggravated assault. The claim was denied, yet it does not mean it did not happen. The reality of being druged and harrassed and then discharged could send some one to the hills for a life time. I wish I had recorded the CBS special on this. The info on this should still be around. You will need to do your own research. I am glad I was able to bring it to your attention.

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The Idea that Viet Nam era veterans are still coming out of the wood work to face the issues of there military service does not suprise me. The impact the war had on veterans for a wide range reasons such as being ordered to commit autrocities to being spit on and called baby killer when returning home. caused many Viet nam veterans to head for the hills and isolate.

It took me 26 years to file a claim for an aggravated assault. The claim was denied, yet it does not mean it did not happen. The reality of being druged and harrassed and then discharged could send some one to the hills for a life time. I wish I had recorded the CBS special on this. The info on this should still be around. You will need to do your own research. I am glad I was able to bring it to your attention.

This reminds me of a guy I ran into last week. He was a U.S. Marine. He served in Viet Nam in '67 and '68. He had some numbness in his feet. So he went to a VA hospital. He had not seen a doctor in decades. They told him he had diabetes and neuropathy. They asked him how much he drank on a health questioner. His primary doctor told him he drank way to much and ordered a psych exam. Within one year he was rated 100% for PTSD, diabetes and neuropathy. No, SO, no C&P, no denials. It took him 40 years to walk into a hospital.

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