pipeman043 Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Hi All, Kinda lost here but guess that asking never hurt too much. Hard to find a good starting place to begin this tale so I'll begin by saying that I was in the CG from 11Feb74-10Feb78 and was across the pond in the med on an isolated/restricted station when the broken arrow went down between the kennedy and the belknap in Nov75. just a little stress there. returned conus and went to a SAR station for the remainder of my tour. Been in some wicked nasty sorties plus did a lot of LE/Interdiction work under fire. Fast forward to 2000, had spent the previous 20 plus years being just plain miserable, moody, snappy, drank heavy for a while, most of you know the drill. 2000 is significant cause bang out of nowhere comes this heart attack. Then all kinds of things began to mess up, breathing, stomach pain, water retension, and the list goes on. I have no money and no insurance so I go to the VA for help. Get medical coverage and a great NP who just wouldn't let any crap slide by. she kept sending me for tests and what come up is a strong suggestion that my problems are and had been PTSD related. Whatever. I know nothing about this so I ask at the DAV and they tell me I got no case...All this crap keeps up and is getting worse. On 08Jan04 I finally decide what the hell and file a claim. Then they start making me dig up all this stuff that I buryed deep years ago and taking the lid off was a nightmare just beginning...I finally got a NSC in may of 05 and an SOC and denial for S/C. I had also applied for ssd and have been tested and get a report from that doc saying that my problems might be PTSD related and that My GAF is 51. I appeal the Va's decision and get sent for a C&P exam by some Female at the Vet center who after making me wait for 25 mins shows up has me wait again so she can get a coffee and I then follow her into her office. She starts off asking me about combat and I asked her what she knew about the CG. I'm there another 20 mins and she says the interview is over. I'm out the door and travel back home the 60 miles or so ugly as all getout. Couple weeks go by and I get another denial from the VA. When I read the report from this "person" she states that I have a personality disorder, no signs of PTSD and a GAF of 65. She is very specific in stating that I have no PTSD symptoms. I go to the AL SO who says that she went out of her way to kill my chances for a rating. My phys at the VA mental health clinic says I have a PTSD related problem. Next appointment he's no longer employed there. Get a new shrink who decide I have a depression disorder....Where do I go from here? I made the case with all the verifiable stressors and every other thing asked of me and along comes this gal who makes a one person crusade to shaft me....What am I suppposed to do next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayed Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 (edited) Do a search for PTSD and Law Enforcement I did and got this in a second ! Stress Management with Law Enforcement Personnel: A Controlled Outcome Study of EMDR Versus a Traditional Stress Management Program Sandra A. Wilson1 Contact Information, Robert H. Tinker2, Lee A. Becker3 and Carol R. Logan4 (1) Spencer Curtis Foundation, 524 North Tejon Street, Colorado Springs, CO 80903, USA (2) Spencer Curtis Foundation, Colorado Springs, Colorado (3) Department of Psychology, Colorado University, Colorado Springs, Colorado (4) Colorado Springs Police Department, Colorado Springs, Colorado Abstract Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) has been shown to be effective for treating posttraumatic stress disorder, but its efficacy as a stress management tool for normal individuals in highly stressful occupations has not been demonstrated. Sixty-two police officers were randomly assigned to either EMDR or a standard stress management program (SMP), each consisting of 6 hours of individualized contact. At completion, officers in the EMDR condition provided lower ratings on measures of PTSD symptoms, subjective distress, job stress, and anger; and higher marital satisfaction ratings than those in SMP. The effects of EMDR were maintained at the 6-month follow-up, indicating enduring gains from a relatively brief treatment regimen for this subclinical sample of officers who were experiencing some level of stress from their job. EMDR - desensitization - stress management - police officers - controlled outcome study and In their book on "Emergency Services Stress", Dr. Jeff Mitchell and Dr. Grady Bray estimate that without proper Post Trauma Stress training, response, and follow-up, roughly 4% of all emergency workers will develop Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Edited March 4, 2006 by FLHRCI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayed Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Emergency Technicians and Law Enforcement Personnel: * Kates (1999). CopShock: surviving Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). * Artwohl & Christensen (1997). Deadly Force Encounters: what cops need to know... * Kirschman (1997). I Love a Cop: what police families need to know. from http://www.ptsdsupport.net/other_types_ptsd.html at the bottom of the page! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayed Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 (edited) The Relationship of Posttraumatic Stress Disorder to Law Enforcement: Gary G. Felt, M.A., M.H.C. In just over the past decade it has become common knowledge that law enforcement personnel, along with other emergency services workers, are a population highly prone to suffering with Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). As a direct result of their work, there is regular involvement with traumatic events over the course of their entire careers. This is especially true for those of us working in the field of critical incident stress management. For those individuals in law enforcement, however, who generally entered into their careers as physically and mentally "strong," highly idealistic, and caring people, PTSD is often quite baffling. Moreover, it is a concept that is hard to accept by those who are following the mantra "to protect and serve." Understanding the needs of this unique population, highly prone to PTSD, is imperative for mental health professionals attempting to assist survivors with healing and moving beyond this disorder. When discussing PTSD within the law enforcement community, one must be careful not to presume that it only affects the men and women on the "front lines" - those in uniform. PTSD does not only affect police officers. Call takers who first talk with a traumatized victim or dispatchers who send their "men and women in blue" into harm s way or hear the frantic voice of an officer (who is, perhaps, also a personal friend of theirs) calling over the radio for desperately needed help, are also affected. Depending upon the dispatcher s or call taker s perception, any of these events can be just as harrowing for them as they can be to an officer on the scene. Those of us who work with PTSD know the importance of education for the sufferer; however, some populations are not so easy to teach. As a police officer myself on the job since 1973 and, more recently, also as a mental health professional, I know how hard it can be to educate these "strong" men and women. It may be a challenge to teach them that there are forces out there that can and do erode their defenses and their sense of invulnerability over time, causing them to need help and care for themselves. They avoid discussion about job-related stress because they believe tha it should not be bothering them. They have a concern about being seen as "mentally ill" or "unfit," because this can mean the loss of their job. They oftentimes may present with an aversion to going to a psychologist or other mental health professional, as these people are the ones who commit the "truly" mentally ill to institutions. Consequently, law enforcement personnel can be the last people to seek out qualified help. In educating, I often teach law enforcement personnel about the natural relationship of PTSD to their profession. In fact, by the very definition of and by the diagnostic criteria for PTSD, I inform them that law enforcement is a natural "set up" for PTSD. I educate them about their expected responses to trauma (i.e., "normal" reactions to "abnormal" events). From this perspective, they begin to understand. Ultimately, this paves the way for them to begin to truly heal - transitioning from victim to survivor. And, they learn to take better preventative measures to lessen the impact of future traumatizing events that are sure to occur during their careers. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - Fourth Edition (DSM-IV) indicates that the essential features of PTSD include: "experiencing, witnessing or confrontation with an event or events that involve actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of self or others." Moreover, the person's response involves "intense fear, helplessness, or horror" (American Psychiatric Association, 1994). When PTSD was first recognized and named as a disorder in 1980, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - Third Edition (DSM-III) simply indicated that the essential feature involved exposure to a "traumatic event that is generally outside the range of usual human experience" (American Psychiatric Association, 1980). In either case, this essential feature seems to be a constant, unavoidable hallmark of the law enforcement career. A comparison of the remaining diagnostic criteria for PTSD to the "routine" experiences of law enforcement paints an interesting picture. Other DSM-IV criteria include: (1) Persistent re-experiencing of the traumatic event (e.g., dreams, flashbacks, or other intrusive recollections; intense psychological distress and physiological reactivity upon exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resembles an aspect of the trauma). (2) Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma and numbing of general responsiveness (e.g., avoidance of thoughts, feelings, activities, places or people; diminished interest or participation in significant activities; feelings of detachment or estrangement from others; restricted range of affect and sense of a foreshortened future). (3) Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (e.g., sleep disturbance, irritability or anger, difficulty concentrating, hypervigilance, exaggerated startle response). (4) Duration of the disturbance is more than one month (or onset of symptoms is delayed beyond six months); the disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. Beyond the obvious, such as a shooting, what events are "generally outside the range of usual human experience" that might contribute to the potential development of PTSD? Among many, consider continually being called upon to make split-second, sometimes "life or death" decisions that, in many cases, have no favorable resolution. Consider facing a weapon in the hands of a criminal who would kill you if given a chance. Moreover, consider involvement with fights, foot chases, vehicle pursuits, physical injuries and/or death of a fellow officer. Imagine having to deal with hostage situations, undercover work, dangerous drug busts or other raids or handling injury or fatal accidents. How about having to manage in-progress crime calls, shift-work, disasters (especially those man-made), the never-ending procession of people being injured, mutilated or killed and having to become "accustomed" to seeing, smelling, feeling and hearing the blood, gore, pain and suffering associated with crime scenes and victims including battered and abused children. Finally, think about what it would be like to have made an error on the job and be criticized or worse, face investigation, disciplinary action or criminal prosecution. By virtue of their job, law enforcement personnel generally experience or are exposed on a recurrent basis to traumatic events. Consider the fact that these individuals persistently re-experience traumatic events by virtue of responding to and handling similar events throughout the duration of their careers! They need to operate despite their personal feelings and be able to resume action immediately beyond a traumatic event because the public depends upon them to be available when needed. Over time, officers get accustomed to "numbing." They may not even realize that, after a while, many of their daily activities which seem so "routine" are actually quite stressful. Seeing the devastating effects of criminal activity, hypervigilance can become constant on and off-duty. Any noise or disturbance within hearing range of the hypervigilant is usually interpreted as a pending attack so an exaggerated startle response also appears to be a norm. Being ever vigilant, tuned in to anything out of the ordinary and being ready for anything are often the difference between whether an officer survives the job or not (Mason, 1990). This, of course, increases anxiety. Because a law enforcement career usually lasts for at least twenty years, the duration criterion is met. Clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational. or other important areas of functioning all too often show up in an officer s life as evidenced by high divorce, alcoholism, and suicide rates. On an intimate level, officers who learn to keep things at work on a depersonalized level, are usually unable to talk about the details of brutal and horrifying experiences with anyone other than a fellow officer. Also, along with being accustomed to always being the "authority" who must take control of every situation, they may have a hard time successfully relating emotionally with their loved ones. An officer s traumatization does not grant immunity from its effects to his or her loved ones! When it comes to PTSD, individuals going into law enforcement do so with the deck stacked against them from the start! It is a natural "set up" for PTSD or other stress-related diseases and maladies. Law enforcement is a profession where the danger level and stress potential of traumatic events remain fairly high on any given day. To best ensure survival, law enforcement personnel must be "combat ready" at all times while remaining "normal" in every other way (Williams, 1987). They learn to remain at a high level of readiness. There is also an unrealistic stereotype that many officers must keep up like "Superman" or "Wonder Woman" (Shilling, 1993) and be immune to stress. In addition, regardless of what the officers believe, the public often holds officers to this stereotype. Officers may go out of their way to portray themselves as "cool," "calm" and always in "full control" of their emotions - an image that is reinforced repeatedly on TV and in movies (Jones, 1988). Too often in law enforcement, personnel equate mental disorders with being "crazy" and they feel that an emotional response to trauma indicates "weakness." This myth must be erased. Law enforcement personnel must come to admit that they, too, are "normal" human beings who react in "normal" ways to exposure to abnormal events that make up their job environment. It is important to consider that this is an environment that lends itself naturally as a "set up" for PTSD. To this end, education becomes most imperative! References American Psychiatric Association. (1980). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders 3rd Ed.). Washington. D C Author, pp. 236-238. American Psychiatric Association. (1994). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders (4th Ed.). Washington. D.C.: Author, pp. 424-429. Jones, C.E. (1988, March). Fatal feelings. The Thin Blue Line, pp. 1-26. Mason. P. (1990). Recovering From the War. New York: Penguin Books, pp. 231-253. Shilling. R. (1993, Fall). On coping. The Washington Police Officer, pp. 4-6. Williams, C. (1987). Peacetime combat: Treating and preventing delayed stress reactions in police officers. In T. Williams (Ed.), Post Traumatic Stress Disorders: A Handbook for Clinicians. Cincinnati: Disabled American Veterans, pp. 267-292. Edited March 4, 2006 by FLHRCI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipeman043 Posted March 4, 2006 Author Share Posted March 4, 2006 Wow... Thanks FLHRCI, So what do I do with that? Just print it all out and send it along to the VA with the other report from the SSA examiner who says my symptoms might be PTSD related? I didn't bother to mention that I was an EMT licensed in NJ while stationed at the SAR station in Atlantic City. I did my training weekends that they freed me up while in the CG and trained at Shore Memorial Hospital. The CG paid to send me to be an EMT and I trained with the CG Group Commander who was taking the same course. The twenty some years that I skipped over were spent going thru two marriages, about 14 Jobs and a whole lot of just plain oblivion. I did LE for about three years after discharge and just couldn't do it anymore. Laws are written in black and white but it's mostly just all gray out there and I really resent authority so I let too many people slide and was always getting crap from above for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayed Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Wow... Thanks FLHRCI, So what do I do with that? Well I am not sure but its proof that you dont need to be in combat to have PTSD......... Last night when I was laying in bed and couldnt sleep I thought to myself I need to do a internet search for PTSD and Law Enforcement. I forgot about it this morning, thanks to my drugs (VA prescribed) and your post made me remember it. I just filed out a new claim form for PTSD, so THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadIt.com Elder Pete53 Posted March 4, 2006 HadIt.com Elder Share Posted March 4, 2006 Some facts about PTSD and the VA.The VA requires what I would describe as a big boom stressor incident that you can prove on paper. In my opinion it is about the hardest mental condition to get service connected. You don't need to be in combat to get PTSD it comes from many different things including, rape, car wrecks, seeing dead bodies and a host of other things. I think that if you can get an outside medical opinion that links your service to ptsd you will have a much easier and smoother road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hi All,
Kinda lost here but guess that asking never hurt too much. Hard to find a good starting place
to begin this tale so I'll begin by saying that I was in the CG from 11Feb74-10Feb78 and was
across the pond in the med on an isolated/restricted station when the broken arrow went down
between the kennedy and the belknap in Nov75. just a little stress there. returned conus and went
to a SAR station for the remainder of my tour. Been in some wicked nasty sorties plus did a lot of
LE/Interdiction work under fire. Fast forward to 2000, had spent the previous 20 plus years being
just plain miserable, moody, snappy, drank heavy for a while, most of you know the drill. 2000 is
significant cause bang out of nowhere comes this heart attack. Then all kinds of things began to
mess up, breathing, stomach pain, water retension, and the list goes on. I have no money and
no insurance so I go to the VA for help. Get medical coverage and a great NP who just wouldn't let
any crap slide by. she kept sending me for tests and what come up is a strong suggestion that
my problems are and had been PTSD related. Whatever. I know nothing about this so I ask at the DAV
and they tell me I got no case...All this crap keeps up and is getting worse. On 08Jan04 I finally decide
what the hell and file a claim. Then they start making me dig up all this stuff that I buryed deep years
ago and taking the lid off was a nightmare just beginning...I finally got a NSC in may of 05 and an
SOC and denial for S/C. I had also applied for ssd and have been tested and get a report from
that doc saying that my problems might be PTSD related and that My GAF is 51. I appeal the
Va's decision and get sent for a C&P exam by some Female at the Vet center who after
making me wait for 25 mins shows
up has me wait again so she can get a coffee and I then follow her into her office. She starts off
asking me about combat and I asked her what she knew about the CG. I'm there another 20 mins
and she says the interview is over. I'm out the door and travel back home the 60 miles or so ugly
as all getout. Couple weeks go by and I get another denial from the VA. When I read the report from
this "person" she states that I have a personality disorder, no signs of PTSD and a GAF of 65. She
is very specific in stating that I have no PTSD symptoms. I go to the AL SO who says that she went
out of her way to kill my chances for a rating. My phys at the VA mental health clinic says I have a
PTSD related problem. Next appointment he's no longer employed there. Get a new shrink who decide
I have a depression disorder....Where do I go from here? I made the case with all the verifiable
stressors and every other thing asked of me and along comes this gal who makes a one person
crusade to shaft me....What am I suppposed to do next?
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