Follow-up, New Website, Ao In Milk In Nam, New Zealand Media Report

[allan]

Follow-up, New Website, AO in Milk in Nam, New Zealand Media Report,

http://www.2ndbattalion94thartillery.com/Chas/Followup.htm

9/11 Toxic Chemical Victim to be added to the list of 9/11 Victims

Follow up on decontamination of AO drums or anything with AO

Follow up on AO and Benzene Posting - reference DoD decontamination procedures.

I don't know if this would help or not. Back in the early nineties, I was working for a toxic clean-up corporation. One day I was asked if I knew anything about AO. It seems there was a spill or something and the Company (Magnum Tank Service, Pompano Beach FL) was thinking about taking the job. However, I was later informed that the reason they (Magnum) did not take the job was that had they taken the job the Tankers that would have been used would have to be destroyed, as there was NO KNOWN way to clean the Tankers out. Once used for AO, that is all they could ever be used.

Thanks Nick

I wonder what the Fort Detrick instructions were. If anyone has a copy, please let me know so we can post it.

“On October 23, 1969, an urgent message was sent from Fort Detrick, Maryland, to MACV concerning cleaning of drums containing herbicides. The message provided detailed instructions on how to clean the drums and warned that it was particularly important to clean Agent Orange drums.”

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New website to me on Vietnam Archives, including AO.

Thanks to John, there is a searchable website by the Red Raiders of Texas Tech University.

If you go to http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/vietnamarchive/...agentorange.htm

Then select on the left side Reference Information and then slide over to Reference Databases.

When that loads on the left, you can select Search the Virtual Vietnam Archives.

When that loads you can type in search criteria such as “Peripheral Neuropathy” – of course hit search and then display results. Just on, Neuropathy it came up with 479 hits in their archive on AO. Yet VA, DoD, and NAS/IOM say it is not associated.

Of course the VA Cosa Nostra will probably pay them a visit and shut it down.

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From Gibbo in Australia -

If you drank milk in 'Nam between 1965 and 1972 you ingested Agent Orange and a variety of other herbicide residues.

As you may know, the Foremost Milk Company (now out of business in the US) based in Los Angeles held the DOD contract for the US military's milk supply in So'east Asia. Before and after shipping packaged 'finished milk' in its distinctive orange/white containers, Foremost shipped a milk concentrate to 'Nam which was to be mixed with water. Unfortunately, the water used was taken from the Saigon River that, DOD belatedly learned, was infested with herbicide drainage. Foremost USA went defunct several years ago but Foremost Vietnam is still in operation.

Milk became an essential export by the USG to Vietnam after 1967 after doctors in the States discovered they were treating large numbers of Vietnam vets suffering from gastroenteritis and other colon inflammatory illnesses due to lack of the enzyme used by the intestines to digest milk. If a person continues to drink milk, their body will continue to produce the enzyme (kind of like a wet nurse who continues to manufacture breast milk for decades after giving birth as long as her milk continues to be suckled.)

However, if a person stops drinking milk their body stops producing the enzyme. Because milk was not as available in 'Nam during America's early deployment thousands of Americans assigned to Vietnam gradually stopped producing the enzyme... but when they returned back to The World the first thing they consumed in large quantities was milk... which made them sick because they could no longer adequately digest it.

As a result, Foremost was contracted to ensure there was always a large supply of milk for GI's to consume. Unfortunately, the high demand resulted in its Vietnam production being mixed with tainted water. Hence, many American's who served in Vietnam but had no direct contact with herbicide distribution or deployment contracted the chemicals through the milk they drank.

REFERENCES:

1. Herbicides Used in Vietnam

http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwhr1.htm

2. Foremost Vietnam

http://www.asemconnectvietnam.gov.vn/Local...5&DnID=7503

I think the NAS/IOM and our government are the only ones left in the world that deny most Vietnam Veterans came home with gastro problems – such as intolerance to milk and milk products – heavy red meats, or anything greasy. I know that I could no longer eat the things I grew up on after being gone for 365 days and many I have talked with said the same thing.

The University of Fl I think it was around 70 or 71 did a study on why so many Veterans were coming home with this disorder. My mother was the one that pointed it out to me since she knew then, something was wrong. I just passed it off as something you had to live with. Most of us were diagnosed from anything from IBS, or a spastic this, or a spastic that which meant the doctors had no idea. I had three lower GI series and two upper GI series with a stay in the hospital to try and find out what was wrong. Of course, the VA says no no on that since the doctor I was treated by and the hospital, which was a humanitarian hospital out of business now (since hospitals are big business these days) decades ago and I have no records. I have testimony of at least three folks in the family and one friend he served with the 25th that indicate I was treated in the hospital and had severe gastro problems after coming home.

It was only after I put it together and had the appropriate tests run did it verify the damages.

Now that was probably the first sign we had a toxic chemical issue “immune system issues” but the testing that was not available then and or course our truthful government denying all of the toxic chemical issues with VA in the lead as the denier of facts working with DoW and Monsanto. Moreover, lets add in the EPA at that time also – when some EPA scientists blew the whistle, then they were punished - not the chemical companies for their lies in court.

Had the proper testing been done then they would have found the small intestine celi were burnt to hell and back. The tips of the celi make the enzyme for the milk double sugar. If it is damaged then you no longer produce the enzyme for milk. In addition, it can be associated to a lack of absorption of essential minerals and vitamins such as loss of B12 another noted AO association. That by the way, can also be associated with neurological damages?

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New Zealand media report -

American Vets, while our government has been full of malfeasance, collaborations, and conspiracies as criminal as it is; the New Zealand Vets have been treated even worse by their government and their citizenry, if one can imagine that.

Big Vietnam claim to Waitangi Tribunal

By KRISTIAN SOUTH - Sunday News | Sunday, 3 June 2007

EXCLUSIVE

THE former head of the Anglican Church in New Zealand has lodged a $170 million Waitangi Tribunal claim on behalf of Kiwi Vietnam War veterans.

Bishop Te Whakahuihui Vercoe, who stood down as Archbishop of Aotearoa last year for health reasons, said he laid the claim because veterans' exposure to Agent Orange had ruined Maori bloodlines.

"About 60 percent of those who served in Vietnam were Maori," Bishop Vercoe told Sunday News from his Rotorua home.

"My goal is to protect our children and wives, because if the Government does not care about them, who will? And what would become of those children born without limbs?

"This is about improving the amount that has been allotted to the widows and families of veterans."

Agent Orange was used to kill foliage which provided cover for the Viet Cong in the war. It also destroyed the health of American troops and their allies, including New Zealand troops.

A Sunday News investigation last year uncovered medical tests which showed the defoliant caused genetic damage in up to 3500 Kiwi vets. The DNA damage was suspected to be so bad it could affect multiple generations with cancer, spina bifida and a host of other genetic diseases.

Bishop Vercoe's $170m Waitangi Tribunal claim came less than a month after a group of angry veterans announced they were suing the Government and individual ministers for $5 billion.

The vets' launched their massive suit because they were furious with the $30 million compensation package announced by the Government earlier this year, which was believed to assist less than 100 veterans and their families.

"The Vietnam veterans have asked me to do this and it is hoped that this will back up any claims they have against the nation and the Government," Bishop Vercoe said.

"(The money) will be used to accommodate the widows and children of soldiers that are suffering as a result of Agent Orange."

Bishop Vercoe served in the Vietnam War as a chaplain in 1968, often joining the soldiers on the front line rather than sticking to the safety of his office. The 79-year-old is battling a brain tumour but has put his pain on hold to fight for the rights of Kiwi vets.

Sunday News has obtained a copy of Bishop Vercoe's Waitangi Tribunal claim, dated May 25.

In it, the bishop is quick to point out he believes Pakeha soldiers should also be covered in the settlement.

"I wish it to be known right from the outset that the only reason my Pakeha fellow-Vietnam vet is not standing as a co-claimant with me is the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975," Vercoe writes.

He told Sunday News: "(Pakeha) cannot go to the Waitangi Tribunal but we are still working with them to make sure that they are not left out. This is not just for our Maori veterans, this claim is as much for the non-Maori I shared foxholes with."

Representing Bishop Vercoe in his claim is top Waitangi Tribunal and public law specialist Paul Harman - also the New Zealand legal representative for the pending $5 billion lawsuit against the Government.

Harman said the claim was valid under the Treaty of Waitangi Act.

"The sooner the government stops worrying about saving money and starts focusing on ensuring the needs of these veterans and their families are addressed the better," Harman said.

Bishop Vercoe, a principal companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit, led Maori on the 1998 Hikoi of Hope march to Parliament.

But he said the Waitangi Treaty claim was his crowning achievement.

"This is No 1 as far as I'm concerned,"," Bishop Vercoe said.

"I think the veterans have been treated very badly since Vietnam. The nation has never recognized them and they went into a war zone that they were told wasn't a war zone. The local prisoners do better than us. They get compensation and we don't."

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9/11 Toxic Chemical Victim to be added to the list of 9/11 Victims

9/11 Victim List

I guess you heard on the news that a person died from what was determined exposure to toxic chemicals (probably dioxins) (recall the NY Times article of concern of dioxins in the area) from the burning of the attack on the trade centers. This persons name will be added to the list of "victims of the attack itself."

I wonder how that medical decision for a civilian was ascertained and how differently the process is compared to the NAS/IOM processes used to determine our Veteran Victim status in death and disability; not caused by terrorist but our own government. I would bet the decisions making process is like night and day; or Veterans controlled by the VA and an honest doctor's opinion.

I wonder if that family will now be eligible for the millions in government compensations.

If they did that for the Veteran Victims, it would take about four times the space we have now for the wall.

In my opinion, just another government slap in the face to Veterans compared to civilians.

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Kelley

[Berta]

Thanks Allan-I contacted SP5 Kelley at this site yesterday-

hope he hears the show tomorrow night and calls in-

AO Stardust Radio 1630 AM and interactive at

http://www.stardustent.com/svr.htm

The blip above says I am an expert-but WE ALL are experts- I made this point before when a vet called me an expert of some other VA stuff-

I know the hour will go fast and I have the format set up----

but anyone can use the interactive chat -I can read it while on the air-or call in toll free -number at link-to ask anything Re: AO issue- still as important today as when the VA first recognized the damage it has done-to thousands of men and women.

And certainly Vietnam veterans from other countries too-such as Australia.

from Cu CHi District via BBC today:

"The damage inflicted by Agent Orange is much worse than anybody thought at the end of the war," said Professor Nguyen Trong Nhan, the vice-president of the Vietnam Victims of Agent Orange Association (VAVA).

Between 1962 and 1970, millions of gallons of Agent Orange were sprayed across parts of Vietnam.

Professor Nhan, the former president of the Vietnamese Red Cross, denounced the action as "a massive violation of human rights of the civilian population, and a weapon of mass destruction".

I feel the VA should heed what disabilities the Vietnamese have also due to this "weapon of mass destruction" as Prof. Nhan called AO-

because our AO list-in my opinion- does NOT reflect all problems it caused in serviceprsonnel and civilians.

Edited June 5, 2007 by Berta

[allan]

>our AO list-in my opinion- does NOT reflect all problems it caused in serviceprsonnel and civilians.

Hello Berta,

they don't want anyone to know how toxic it actually is. It alters DNA !

I've never received an answer to, "what does it alter too, generations down the line"? I just get stared at.

When they should learn all they can to develop ways to treat the effects, they stick their heads in the sand & watch their troops & their families suffer & die.

Weapons of mass destruction"? Thats exactly what it is.

What time tommarow night?

[Berta]

It is 6:30 EST tonight Allan (June 6th)

There is a clock at the site somewhere that shows the times in west coast time etc-