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Update On Vets Law Suit Sfdc

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(please note all who are following this important case- the emails from the VA -which I just read over myself (from Dr. Katz)were apparently evidentiary information obtained for the lawsuit-and thus-became public knowledge - in my opinion)

This is from Colonel Dan:

"April 22, 2008

In Federal Suit, 2 Views of Veterans’ Health Care

By NEIL MacFARQUHAR

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/washingt...ref=todayspaper

SAN FRANCISCO — The Department of Veterans Affairs is struggling to meet the skyrocketing demand for medical services as an unanticipated flood of former soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan seek help along with a parallel surge of claims from aging Vietnam veterans, according to both sides in a trial that opened Monday in federal court here.

The lawsuit was brought by two groups, Veterans for Common Sense and Veterans United for Truth, seeking to force the government to streamline its procedures for treating former soldiers, particularly those suffering from combat trauma and other mental health problems.

Opening arguments painted sharply different pictures of the department’s success. The veterans groups said the department was ignoring a mental health crisis and was so swamped that former soldiers were dying needlessly. The defense countered that the country’s largest medical care system was adding the personnel needed to cope.

“Our ultimate goal is guaranteed health care, timely health care, timely decisions on disability payments,” Gordon P. Erspamer, the lead lawyer representing the two veterans groups, said in an interview.

“The system is choking on the claims; the delays are unconscionable,” Mr. Erspamer said.

The trial, before Judge Samuel Conti, an Army veteran of World War II, does not seek monetary damages but asks the court to appoint a special master or otherwise intervene to make the department run more efficiently.

Claims for help from the department jumped 25 percent in recent years, hitting 838,000, Richard G. Lepley said in his opening statement for the government.

The defense said the jump was generated by a combination of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, where head injuries that can lead to stress problems are a signature issue, as well as an upswing of Vietnam veterans seeking help for medical conditions associated with aging. News coverage from the current wars has also led to new mental health problems among Vietnam veterans, said Kerri J. Childress, a spokeswoman for the veterans department in Palo Alto, Calif.

“I don’t think anybody had any idea how long the war was going to go on,” Ms. Childress said, referring to Iraq. She added that there was no way to fully anticipate the demand for medical care from Vietnam veterans.

The department is falling short of its goal of addressing claims within 125 days, saying that it was now closer to 180 to 185 days, Mr. Lepley said. But he said the department had added 3,700 mental health care professionals in the last two years, bringing the total to 17,000, and started a program where anyone feeling suicidal could get attention within 24 hours and a follow-up appointment within two weeks, he said. The program started last summer, he said, so it is too new to measure its effectiveness.

Over all, there are 6,600 suicides per year among the 25 million veterans of all wars, representing about one in five suicides in the country, Ms. Childress said. There are an estimated 1,000 suicide attempts per month among the 7.8 million veterans treated by Veterans Affairs, she said. The suicides tend to be more frequent among older veterans, she said, citing statistics from data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The number — 126 suicides a week, higher than the 120 published in previous studies — was in a December e-mail message from Dr. Ira Katz, the head of mental health services for Veterans Affairs, to Dr. Michael J. Kussman, the under secretary for the Veterans Health Administration in the department. Mr. Erspamer displayed the message in his opening argument.

The department has long been reluctant to release specific numbers regarding suicides or suicide attempts, lawyers for the veterans groups said. “We certainly think there was a cover-up in some sense,” said Heather Moser, a lawyer for the plaintiffs.

A second department e-mail message from Dr. Katz shown at the trial starts with “Shh!” and refers to the 12,000 veterans per year who attempt suicide while under department treatment. “Is this something we should (carefully) address ourselves in some sort of release before someone stumbles on it?” it asks."

GRADUATE ! Nov 2nd 2007 American Military University !

When thousands of Americans faced annihilation in the 1800s Chief

Osceola's response to his people, the Seminoles, was

simply "They(the US Army)have guns, but so do we."

Sameo to us -They (VA) have 38 CFR ,38 USC, and M21-1- but so do we.

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The fact is that the US has always tried to fight its Wars on the cheap with not much regard for the troops it takes to do it with.

I went to have blood work done today at my Medicare HMO Doc's and the young lady who did the stick saw my Hadit Ball Cap and made this comment. " I am sorry that our government has not treated you guys better"

I thanked her and asked her to consider voting for people who support Veterans

Veterans deserve real choice for their health care.

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“I don’t think anybody had any idea how long the war was going to go on,” Ms. Childress said, referring to Iraq.

That's the worst of it. Any idiot with the barest minimum of politcal and military history should have seen it coming. Heck, we done it once before. We're confining within borders a war whose enemies largely are not supplied, recruited or financed from within those borders. How are you supposed to end it?!

Sorry. I don't mean to go political but it's right there! :lol:

And what's more is, it's irrelevant. We don't need excuses. They can blame whoever they want, later. We need help now!

That's all. I quit.

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The problem here is a failure to communicate.And the issues are Chaos and Confusion always the answer,For the accountability is not on me ?Or pass the buck spin it call it what ever you want just like Vietnam we went some where we did not belong .Because some (High Priced Bell Hop) decided to hey lets go over there and change these folks life and democracy because i have the power to do so does not make it right we never belonged in NAM and we sure as hell dont belong in IRAQ or Afgan. these folks could care less about USA or Humanity. arghhhhhhh sorry rant.Waist of LIVES and Tax Dollars. And the best is when you come Home from WAR you have to start a new BATTLE with the Federal Agencies all over again . Double ARGHHHHHHHHHH .Its absoloutely SHAMEFUL

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The problem here is a failure to communicate.And the issues are Chaos and Confusion always the answer,For the accountability is not on me ?Or pass the buck spin it call it what ever you want just like Vietnam we went some where we did not belong .Because some (High Priced Bell Hop) decided to hey lets go over there and change these folks life and democracy because i have the power to do so does not make it right we never belonged in NAM and we sure as hell dont belong in IRAQ or Afgan. these folks could care less about USA or Humanity. arghhhhhhh sorry rant.Waist of LIVES and Tax Dollars. And the best is when you come Home from WAR you have to start a new BATTLE with the Federal Agencies all over again . Double ARGHHHHHHHHHH .Its absoloutely SHAMEFUL

I cant help it but to throw in my two cents and I hope nowbody gets offended with what I am about to say, First of all we need to thank all those folks that voted not once but twice for a individual that has done nothing for veterans or the poor people of this country for the past 8 years. Belieave me I know what I am talking about, when he was governer of texas he did nothing for the people of Texas. So when I hear people complainning about what is going on in this country I feel like asking them if they voted for him than they deserve what they are getting.

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I cant help it but to throw in my two cents and I hope nowbody gets offended with what I am about to say, First of all we need to thank all those folks that voted not once but twice for a individual that has done nothing for veterans or the poor people of this country for the past 8 years. Belieave me I know what I am talking about, when he was governer of texas he did nothing for the people of Texas. So when I hear people complainning about what is going on in this country I feel like asking them if they voted for him than they deserve what they are getting.

I want to make my self clear before anybody gets the wrong impression of what I am stating. I am talking about civilians that have never served one day in the military.

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Eithier way you still dont know what your getting reguardless whom is in office.Dems or Repubs or even an independent?Politicians have there own agenda how will i be remebered in the HISTORY Books? There is nothing but EMPTY promises from all concerned or else this country would not be in the shape it is as of today ?Think about it and i do not like politics its like a bad rash that just does not go awaygets bigger and biggerand more irritated. And i too am so sorry i do not wish to OFFEND

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