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A Political Debate On Stress Disorder


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A Political Debate On Stress Disorder

As Claims Rise, VA Takes Stock

By Shankar Vedantam

Washington Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, December 27, 2005; Page A01

The spiraling cost of post-traumatic stress disorder among war veterans has triggered a politically charged debate and ignited fears that the government is trying to limit expensive benefits for emotionally scarred troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

In the past five years, the number of veterans receiving compensation for the disorder commonly called PTSD has grown nearly seven times as fast as the number receiving benefits for disabilities in general, according to a report this year by the inspector general of the Department of Veterans Affairs. A total of 215,871 veterans received PTSD benefit payments last year at a cost of $4.3 billion, up from $1.7 billion in 1999 -- a jump of more than 150 percent.

Experts say the sharp increase does not begin to factor in the potential impact of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, because the increase is largely the result of Vietnam War vets seeking treatment decades after their combat experiences. Facing a budget crunch, experts within and outside the Veterans Affairs Department are raising concerns about fraudulent claims, wondering whether the structure of government benefits discourages healing, and even questioning the utility and objectivity of the diagnosis itself.

"On the one hand, it is good that people are reaching out for help," said Jeff Schrade, communications director for the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. "At the same time, as more people reach out for help, it squeezes the budget further."

Among the issues being discussed, he said, was whether veterans who show signs of recovery should continue to receive disability compensation: "Whether anyone has the political courage to cut them off -- I don't know that Congress has that will, but we'll see."

Much of the debate is taking place out of public sight, including an internal VA meeting in Philadelphia this month. The department has also been in negotiations with the Institute of Medicine over a review of the "utility and objectiveness" of PTSD diagnostic criteria and the validity of screening techniques, a process that could have profound implications for returning soldiers.

The growing national debate over the Iraq war has changed the nature of the discussion over PTSD, some participants said. "It has become a pro-war-versus-antiwar issue," said one VA official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because politics is not supposed to enter the debate. "If we show that PTSD is prevalent and severe, that becomes one more little reason we should stop waging war. If, on the other hand, PTSD rates are low . . . that is convenient for the Bush administration."

As to whether budget issues and politics are playing a role in the agency's review of PTSD diagnosis and treatment, VA spokesman Scott Hogenson said: "The debate is over how to provide the best medical services possible for veterans."

People with PTSD have paralyzing memories of traumatic episodes they experienced or witnessed, a range of emotional problems, and significant impairments in day-to-day functioning. Underlying the political and budget issues, many experts acknowledged, is a broader scientific debate over how best to diagnose trauma-related pathology, what the goal of treatment should be -- even what constitutes trauma.

Harvard psychologist Richard J. McNally argues that the diagnosis equates sexual abuse, car accidents and concentration camps, when they are entirely different experiences: A PTSD diagnosis has become "a way of moral claims-making," he said. "To underscore the reprehensibility of the perpetrator, we say someone has been through a traumatic event."

Chris Frueh, director of the VA clinic in Charleston, S.C., said the department's disability system encourages some veterans to exaggerate symptoms and prolong problems in order to maintain eligibility for benefits.

"We have young men and women coming back from Iraq who are having PTSD and getting the message that this is a disorder they can't be treated for, and they will have to be on disability for the rest of their lives," said Frueh, a professor of public psychiatry at the Medical University of South Carolina. "My concern about the policies is that they create perverse incentives to stay ill. It is very tough to get better when you are trying to demonstrate how ill you are."

Most veterans whom Frueh treats for PTSD are seeking disability compensation, he said. Veterans Affairs uses a sliding scale; veterans who are granted 100 percent disability status receive payments starting at around $2,300 a month. The VA inspector general's report found that benefit payments varied widely in states and said that was because VA centers in some states are more likely to grant veterans 100 percent disability.

Psychiatrist Sally Satel, who is affiliated with the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said an underground network advises veterans where to go for the best chance of being declared disabled. The institute organized a recent meeting to discuss PTSD among veterans.

Once veterans are declared disabled, they retain that status indefinitely, Frueh and Satel said. The system creates an adversarial relationship between doctors and patients, in which veterans sometimes take legal action if doctors decline to diagnose PTSD, Frueh said. The clinician added that some patients who really need help never get it because they are unwilling to undergo the lengthy process of qualifying for disability benefits, which often requires them to repeatedly revisit the painful episodes they experienced.

The concern by Frueh and Satel about overdiagnosis and fraud -- what researchers call "false positives" -- has drawn the ire of veterans groups and many other mental health experts.

A far bigger problem is the many veterans who seek help but do not get it or who never seek help, a number of experts said. Studies have shown that large numbers of veterans with PTSD never seek treatment, possibly because of the stigma surrounding mental illness.

"There are periodic false positives, but there are also a lot of false negatives out there," said Terence M. Keane, one of the nation's best-known PTSD researchers, who cited a 1988 study on the numbers of veterans who do not get treatment. "Less than one-fourth of people with combat-related PTSD have used VA-related services."

Larry Scott, who runs the clearinghouse http://www.vawatchdog.org/ , said conservative groups are trying to cut VA disability programs by unfairly comparing them to welfare.

Compensating people for disabilities is a cost of war, he said: "Veterans benefits are like workmen's comp. You went to war. You were injured. Either your body or your mind was injured, and that prevents you from doing certain duties and you are compensated for that."

Scott said Veterans Affairs' objectives were made clear in the department's request to the Institute of Medicine for a $1.3 million study to review how PTSD is diagnosed and treated. Among other things, the department asked the institute -- a branch of the National Academies chartered by Congress to advise the government on science policy -- to review the American Psychiatric Association's criteria for diagnosing PTSD. Effectively, Scott said, Veterans Affairs was trying to get one scientific organization to second-guess another.

PTSD experts summoned to Philadelphia for the two-day internal "expert panel" meeting were asked to discuss "evidence regarding validity, reliability, and feasibility" of the department's PTSD assessment and treatment practices, according to an e-mail invitation obtained by The Washington Post. The goal, the e-mail added, is "to improve clinical exams used to help determine benefit payments for veterans with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder."

"What they are trying to do is figure out a way not to diagnose vets with PTSD," said Steve Robinson, executive director of the National Gulf War Resource Center, a veterans advocacy group. "It's like telling a patient with cancer, 'if we tell you, you don't have cancer, then you won't suffer from cancer.' "

Hogenson, the VA spokesman, said the department is not seeking to overturn the established psychiatric criteria for diagnosing PTSD.

"We are reviewing the utility and the objectivity of the criteria . . . and are commenting on the screening instruments used by VA," he said. "We want to make sure what we do for screening comports with the latest information out there."

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It isn't that the VA does not work mightly to deny benefits. The underground network of Veterans includes us.

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Yeah. I wonder if she knows that we only have a choice of one VARO to go to for benifits in our respective regions. I would like to see her research on which region Veterans are moving to recieve the favorable conditions. My bags will allready be packed when I'm evicted from my home while waiting for my regional VARO. If someone finds out where this fictional place is, let us underground Brothers and Sisters know please. LOL LOL LOL.

And, in my experience, your local Vet Center is a very good place to go if you feel you have PTSD, depression, anxiaty, or a difficult time readjusting after combat. But, remember, mums the word. :D

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We are the "Veteran Undergroud"! By the way, what is the secret word this month? I know the handshake but I can't seem to get it right either. Does this mean we are like the "Weather Underground" in the 60's?

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Let me get this streight> Several generations of Veterans, who did their utmost to pertect their children from the pitfalls of danger, violence, drugs, the real world in whch people and governmental electies who lie, cheat, even steal, to further their ageenda, taught the santity of life, fare play, and the rightousness of giving and helping others, are now suffering from PTSD because of the shock and trauma the military service would have on an individuals mental health, due to the death of fellow servicemen, the death of those you were told, were the enimy, by your own hand, from assult, rape, and any number of causes that threatened your life andor left you injured, having spent a terrorizing moment in a firefight, when you didn't know from second to second, if you would come through alize, not even thinking that you may be injured of mamed for life. Shall I go on?

Where does this upstart or any of his kind have the demarit to question that a person under these conditions, wouldn't have some if not major problems dealing with it. This same person is the same type of person who thinks that their is no such thing as battle fatigue, they used to clasify these types as cowards and malinerers, dead beats, not fit to wear the uniform they did with honor, but for whcih time and circomstance took their toll and something snapped. each of us have a limit to what our psyche can indure and once that is met, well we all know, at least the effects it may have on us, those effects being as different and their are individuals, but for their common cause.

Anyway, it is not up to the VA to pertect the rights of the governemt, by re-writng VA law, it is only supposed to see that these laws already on the books and the Governemt's interests in those current laws are not violated. It was supposed to be set up to see that Veterans would be taken care of in the event that were injured or became ill while serving our country and that the goverments interests were seondary, only deciding if the governments interests are being safe guarded in the process.

The VA has turned the non adversarial system into one where by it is US against Them. It has come to us to help safe guard our rights and not the VA, It has come to us to see that our claims are properly submitted, It is left to us to acquire the evidence to support our claims, It is up to us to find and show the errors commited in our claims, It us whose fand and friends, homes and even health suffer while trying to do all this. It is always up to us to crawl inch by inch, foot by foot, mile by mile, as if trying to get to cover from the enimey. If this was a true war, the VA would cirtainly loose and would have a few casualties of their own to take care of, although I doubt that Veterans would feel like taking my live prisoners, with the treatment they have received thus far at their hands. :D

They should seperate the VA as it is and still have a VARO but only after the VA has appoved a claim does it then go to a panal of lawyers to see that the rules, regulations and laws are being met to pertect the governments interests in the claim. Once the claim is then denied as not safe guarding the governments interests that an appeal would be in order.

If the VARO finds the claim as not sufficient for rating purposes, then further development should be concidered to see if any new evidence may give the claim what it needs to prevail.

Any appeal should only be as to whether the governments interest are being safe guarded or not. The VARO should be their to help with our claim if the committee finds the govenments interests have not been met, the BVA should decide who is correct and the COVA the final deciding intiaty.

Maybe we can start a grass roots efferet to get these two aspects of the VA claims process changed, since the present system isn't working and appears more and more to be in conflict with the Veterns interests, aganst those of the Goverment.

Jim S. :)

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Can someone please pass on the Secret passward to my E-mail along with a pictorial of the secret handshake, so if I should meet someone at the VARO's office or SO's office or most probably at the VAMC, I will know they are a member of the underground or member of any of the grassroot orginization like Hadit.com? LoL :D

Jim S. :)

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I think the password is 'VETERAN'.

Whenever I've used it I recieve help from others, but not the VA. So don't worry, I don't think they are going to crack this one anytime soon.

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The cyberspace veteran community is the bane of the VA. By us sharing knowledge we are helping ourselves to navigate the series of roadblocks and bobby traps the VA sets up for the average vet. I think they are so dumb and arrogant that they think there is some superduper underground outfoxing them. It is just vets sharing knowledge and the VA and these think tank pimps think there is a big underground. They think the average vet is stupid. I think the VSO's think the same thing. They think we are sheep.

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Let's face it - too often the VA is right.

Too many VETERANS are dumb and want everything done for them.

The number of veterans receiving adequate disability, and those who are pro-active with their claims, like Hadit members, is far outweighed by the number who do nothing.

Some of this, is a mistaken 'macho' attitude, some is lack of knowledge of the VA system, but I think that most is the attitude that 'you can't fight City Hall'.

The VA gets away with the s$$t they pull, because the majority of the victims don't know how to fight back, or are so used to getting screwed by Government and DoD, that they figure it is a waste of time.

We need all the publicity we can get, to get more new members, and to spread the fight to all Veterans. Personally, I think the first step is to stop supporting the useless VSOs, who all follow a political agenda, and donate that money to TBird instead.

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