panther4200 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Hello Everyone, I have a question if someone out there is willing to help. I have been applying and moving through my disability claims with the VA for about a year now. I've been doing it by myself and have been able to get my primary tinnitus (10%) with secondary migraines (30%) both service connected. I also tried to connect my mental health issue as secondary to my tinnitus, but I know that it really is it's own issue and I'm pretty sure that is what's going to come back from the C&P exam I had. (The exam was a horrible experience for me, I believe the examiner purposefully gave me a horrible panic attack at the end just to see what would happen and it took me close to an hour to stop freaking out) I'm still waiting for my decision letter from the VA, but I figure I'm going to have to re-apply with the mental heath issue as a primary condition. The issue is, that my copy of my supposedly complete military record that I received does not have any of my leave shown, nor does it show the event ever happened, and I believe it would be very helpful, if not necessary for my claim, to show that I was granted emergency leave through a request that was initiated by the red cross, started by my mother. Does anyone know where or how I can go about getting those records? The time period was around February of 1999. I know I can have family generate buddy statements attesting to such, but I'm not really comfortable talking to my family about this at this point in time and would prefer to use hard proof of the event. Any help or recommendations anyone can provide would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator broncovet Posted February 22, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 22, 2021 You have the right idea in that you deed proof (documentation). But you do not have to decide whether its primary, secondary, presumptive, etc. The VA is "supposed" to figure that out. "The evidence" should determine which of these it is, not your knowledge. Since you asked, however: A. Primary (also called direct SC) requires 3 Caluza elements: Current diagnosis, in service event or aggravation and nexus. B Secondary, however, requires just 2: A current diagnosis AND a doctors opinion (nexus) that your current diagnosis "is at least as likely as not" related to an already SC condition, such as tinnitus. My advice is to review your medical records and see what the doctor said. You are gonna need one or the other of these (a or b) for SC. Now, if you applied for it Primary, and a doc said its "at least as likely as not related to a SC condition", then dont re apply, instead, appeal. You would get an earlier effective date. The VA is not supposed to deny you for primary and make you apply again for secondary and bone you on the effective date because you did not know the difference between primary and secondary. After you get the decision, then you can decide whether or not to appeal. But you can make sure you have your ducks in a row, making sure you have what is required for at least A or B. To do this, you will need to review your records. The VA "may" have your service records. I would not count on it tho, so To request a copy, do this: https://www.va.gov/records/get-military-service-records/#:~:text=You can request your military,Personnel Records Center (NPRC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berta Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 "The issue is, that my copy of my supposedly complete military record that I received does not have any of my leave shown, nor does it show the event ever happened, and I believe it would be very helpful, if not necessary for my claim, to show that I was granted emergency leave through a request that was initiated by the red cross, started by my mother." Did that 'military record' also include your inservice personnel file ( aka 201file)? GRADUATE ! Nov 2nd 2007 American Military University ! When thousands of Americans faced annihilation in the 1800s Chief Osceola's response to his people, the Seminoles, was simply "They(the US Army)have guns, but so do we." Sameo to us -They (VA) have 38 CFR ,38 USC, and M21-1- but so do we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Engineer Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I don't believe your medical records will have your leave time, and or why. Like Berta, I think you need to look at your 201 file from your service. You can get it online. I have a previous post on how I got mine. Hamslice “There is no hook my friend. There's only what we do.” Doc Holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berta Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 You titled your original post with "major depressive disorder with unspecified anxiety disorder". Is that a diagnosis from the VA or from a private doctor? I hope you realize that many veterans over past decades , have had emergency contacts via the Red Cross, and gained emergency leave. Even if this leave appears in the 201 file, it might have no info whatsoever on why you got the leave. I understand that Command has to approve the leave- the Red Cross only makes the request. Many inservice military ,for decades, have had requests like this from the Red Cross- " I know I can have family generate buddy statements attesting to such, but I'm not really comfortable talking to my family about this at this point in time and would prefer to use hard proof of the event. Any help or recommendations anyone can provide would be appreciated" It happened a long time ago but maybe the Red Cross would have a record of the request. However that does not prove what happened to give you these MH disabilities. Perhaps you should talk to your family about it- because the VA will want to know what happened anyhow. They will need "hard proof". I will post the link to the Red Cross- - GRADUATE ! Nov 2nd 2007 American Military University ! When thousands of Americans faced annihilation in the 1800s Chief Osceola's response to his people, the Seminoles, was simply "They(the US Army)have guns, but so do we." Sameo to us -They (VA) have 38 CFR ,38 USC, and M21-1- but so do we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berta Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 https://www.redcross.org/get-help/military-families/emergency-communication.html When you cam back from the leave, did your behavior change in any way,that would show you experienced anxiety and depression, while on leave? GRADUATE ! Nov 2nd 2007 American Military University ! When thousands of Americans faced annihilation in the 1800s Chief Osceola's response to his people, the Seminoles, was simply "They(the US Army)have guns, but so do we." Sameo to us -They (VA) have 38 CFR ,38 USC, and M21-1- but so do we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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