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A Time To Regain Equality

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It would not hurt a thing if you took a few moments to email a copy of this to your political figures and your VSO's

VVA Chapter 953 has formed a new committee to try and focus our efforts on what it will take to regain our status as equal veterans once again. This will be a nobile effort but it will need support. We,the 98% who have born the brunt of the injustice so that the VA and the politicians could look good need to remember those political figures who let this happen and have remained silent. In the comming election we need to rally, after all, we the dissatisfied, hold 98% of the veteran vote, as opposed to the satisfied 2%.

Old and in the Way

As the “new vets” from Iraq and Afghanistan, just 2% of the veteran population, are given priority at the VA, the other 98% find themselves pushed to the rear of the line, now the forgotten of previous conflicts.

by Larry Scott

Bosnia, Somalia, the Gulf, Grenada, Vietnam, Korea, World War II, plus all the Cold War and peacetime veterans in between. Add them all up and you have about 23.5 million veterans, 98% of the U.S. veteran population. Add them all up and you have the veterans that are being pushed to the rear of the line by the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (VA).

On April 24, 2008, the VA made a stunning announcement. They are going to set up a special call center to notify all 570,000 “new vets,” veterans of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, of all available VA benefits. On the surface this appears to be a noble gesture. But, in the past, the VA has vigorously fought legislation that would have required them to notify ALL veterans of these benefits. Why? Too expensive, they claimed.

So, why the change and why now? And, why does this just apply to the “new vets,” those who make up just 2% of the veteran population? The VA has a history of denying that problems exist, then using quick-fix Band-Aids to make it appear that the problem has been solved. We find the VA short-staffed, especially in the area of mental health workers. So, they hire a few mental health specialists, many of them short-term contract workers, and consider the problem fixed. There is a backlog of 600,000 disability claims, so the VA hires a few more claims raters, and considers the problem fixed. Neither of the afore-mentioned Band-Aids addresses the long-term problems of mental health care or the claims backlog because not enough workers were hired to adequately solve either problem

Then came Walter Reed and the ensuing look at military and VA healthcare. To say that the Department of Defense (DoD) and VA got some bad press is putting it mildly. But, it was bad press that was well-deserved. The media had the VA running for cover. And, with the 2008 election looming large, politicians knew something must be done to mollify the angry outcries of the American public who didn’t want to see any more news videos about shoddy treatment of veterans.

I can almost hear the conversations among the political appointees who run the VA: “How can we make it LOOK LIKE we’ve solved the problems? How can we get the press and an angry public off our backs? And, how can we do it on-the-cheap?”

The answer was amazingly simple. Since most of the public was transfixed by the problems facing the “new vets,” the VA chose to pull out all the stops when it came to serving this 2% minority. It appears to have solved the problems enumerated by the VA brass: It LOOKS LIKE the VA is taking care of all veterans, the public thinks they are doing the right thing, and it is far less expensive to prioritize the needs of 2% of veterans than it is to provide adequate care and services for all 100%.

Then, the politicians, fearing reprisals in the voting booth, followed the VA’s lead. And, they both knew that with the proper public relations campaign the public would believe that ALL veterans were benefiting when, in reality, 98% of veterans were being ignored.

Here is what the VA and the politicians are doing for just 2% of the veteran population, those who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan:

1. Priority healthcare at all VA facilities, making older vets wait months and even years for medical appointments and the simplest of procedures.

2. First-in-line placement at the Veterans’ Benefits Administration (VBA) when it comes to filing disability claims, even though many older vets have been waiting years for answers to their claims, facing financial hardships as they wait.

3. A new call center to provide information on all VA benefits, while many older vets still have no such knowledge because the VA has refused to do an “all vets” outreach such as this.

4. And, a plethora of new legislation from the 110th Congress designed to improve services ONLY for those returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Where is the outcry about 98% of veterans getting such lousy treatment? You won’t hear it from politicians of either party because most of them face re-election this year. If they can make a “2% Solution” look like “THE Solution” and sell it to the public, then truth be damned.

Congress has shown little interest in the big picture at the VA. In the past, Democratic Members had called for mandatory VA healthcare funding. But, that has fallen by the wayside with legislation stuck in Committee. Rep. Bob Filner (D-CA), Chairman of the House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, had been a huge supporter of mandatory funding. But, in a conversation late last year, Filner’s only response to the stalled legislation was, “We have a fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers.” That’s Capitol Hill code for: It’s not going to happen.

What is most surprising is that there is virtual silence from the veterans’ service organizations (VSOs) about this matter. The American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars, whose members are almost entirely pre-Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, are playing the game and allowing the VA and the politicians to claim a victory on behalf of all veterans. The only VSO who has spoken out is the Disabled American Veterans (DAV).

In a letter to VA Secretary James Peake dated April 25, 2008, the DAV’s Executive Director, David W. Gorman, said, “…the VA is evolving into a two-tiered system: one that pulls out all the stops when it comes to outreach and service to this newest generation of veterans, but also one that pays relatively scant attention to veterans from previous generations who have served and sacrificed for our nation as well.” Gorman added, “…the VA must not favor one generation of veterans over another. To do so, no matter how well intentioned, does a grievous disservice to all veterans.”

More importantly, where is the outcry from the 98% of veterans who are, once again, being delayed and denied by the VA? One would think we (because I fall into the category) would be filling up Internet bulletin boards and blogs with cries for equal treatment. Is it that we have bought into the public relations lie being perpetrated, or is it that we have just given up on a system that has let us down so many times before? Are we really content to allow a two-tiered VA system where older vets have instantly become second-class vets?

No veteran, young or old, will deny the needs of our “new vets.” But, logic and fairness dictate that their needs are NOT greater than those of older veterans, but JUST AS great.

So, while we older veterans have accepted the promises of our VSOs and the platitudes of our politicians, we find ourselves on the outside looking in, watching 2% of the veteran population getting the care, treatment and service that ALL veterans have earned. This could have been stopped. We have seen it coming since the Walter Reed debacle. But, we sat back and allowed the VA and the politicians to tell us what is best and allowed our VSOs to play politics instead of offering adequate representation. We should have been telling them that our VA services must be protected.

We have only ourselves to blame for being fooled by the VA, used by the politicians, ignored by most of our VSOs and ending up “Old and in the Way.”

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Don't y'all see this is VA classic putting Veterans against each other.

I think it is a mistake for any Veteran to resent another Veteran for getting fair treatment.

Myself as an older Veteran I don't see where the VA has done so well by Iraq Veterans either they just are saying that they have priority.

Pete and everyone

I am one of the new Vets and have priorty YHEA right, I been out of the service since 03 I am considerd an OEF vet never got further then Saudi but I am consider a global war on terrisom vet. At my DAV hearing I was told that I had a 1 one priorty. Ok how come I been waiting for another cancer operation for two months. Just like thery say an average claim takes 180 days. maybe just to screw it up. My first intial claim took 11 months. Somebody is smokeing something at the VA. can;t get in to see my primary care Doc but maybe twice per year. I got so many more things health wise I am trying to deal with i just want to scream. If I am priorty 1 at the VA medical center and priorty 1 and they claims center lord we are all in a world of hurting.

Jim

Delay, Delay, Delay another thousand Vets will die today. This has been almost a 9 year trip thru the VA maze.

Jim

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Jim Mac:

You made my point. The VA is playing a con game and trying to get Veterans mad at each other. Its working if you read this thread. Priority for any Veteran by VA is sort of a joke.

I am praying that you get the medical service that you need quickly and done well with good care.

Veterans deserve real choice for their health care.

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Jim, I feel for you and just get on my high horse! You need care and deserve it. I want to scream for you and each vet that needs care. Rental, and everyone, yes we have to take care of ourselves and other vets around us. I have a nephew in, a freinds son just returned, my father, fatherinlaw and so many other family members served. When is a veteran not a veteran? Skeletons in the closet include cousin and others dishonorably discharged. Not a veteran deserving medical care? who knows? their dependents and family members? I dont know much, but I'm truthful about medical needs and wanting better or stable health after incurring disabilitiy conditions in the military (on the job). Couldnt get to sick call or every scheduled appointment if I was in charge, in a strange country or out in the field working a 20 hours shift. Civil liberties were set aside, military law and UCMJ ruled. Now its the VA ruling (our medical care and workmens comp program, by law).

The VA rules and laws now inplace are there only because of the sacrifice and hard earned efforts of drafted or volunteer veterans before me working to get their due. So I feel its our 'job' to continue to seek the promise given, to be cared for. I believe and know its an evolving revolving machine that only works for those who jump up for the brass ring. Sound familiar? No wonder they call me CG!

Pete and everyone

I am one of the new Vets and have priorty YHEA right, I been out of the service since 03 I am considerd an OEF vet never got further then Saudi but I am consider a global war on terrisom vet. At my DAV hearing I was told that I had a 1 one priorty. Ok how come I been waiting for another cancer operation for two months. Just like thery say an average claim takes 180 days. maybe just to screw it up. My first intial claim took 11 months. Somebody is smokeing something at the VA. can;t get in to see my primary care Doc but maybe twice per year. I got so many more things health wise I am trying to deal with i just want to scream. If I am priorty 1 at the VA medical center and priorty 1 and they claims center lord we are all in a world of hurting.

Jim

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For my children, my God sent husband and my Hadit family of veterans, I carry on.

God Bless A m e r i c a, Her Veterans and their Families!

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If i may Hello all hope all is well.If the System were to address the issues of veterans the first time around none of us would be at this site !!!! :unsure:

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For what it is worth I think that the VA is treating all Veterans the same. I don't think that there is anything about priority treatment that was not already in place. If you go to your Primary Doc and build a rapport you will get priority treatment also.

Most of the problems at the VA are due to shortages of people money equipment and sheer volume of patients. One last observation the Veteran with hemorrhoids will see an intern who will practice on him and the TBI patient will see actual brain surgeons. Even if they are from the Medical School or foreign Docs with no US License to practice. In other words once in the system the TBI Vet is waiting with other TBI Veterans and not the general patient population.

I recently read on Hadit a Veteran who had already waited 2 months for cancer surgery. Last summer my Brother who is a teacher had suspected cancer and was operated on in 4 days.

I guess the point is the waits at the VA are just to damn long for all of us.

I started out at the VA in 1991 and I remember that a lot of the Veterans looked down on my era. I really did not care than nor do I now. In 1991 there were about 3 million less being treated at VA cause for the most part you had to be Service Connected. In 1992 and 1993 I was denied treatment cause I was only 30% Service Connected so things do change.

Veterans deserve real choice for their health care.

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Ok junior, if you are a junior - maybe you are one of us old guys in disguise! Just a couple of points for you to ponder:

-yep it is just a phone call today but what about tomorrow? I for one agree with you and I agree to go back to having to deal with my regional office on the phone in order to let you young ones have the new and improved call centers where you can get the most up to date and factual information on your claims! Yep we old guys and gals will just step back and let you have it. No one is actually saying what they mean about this issue. No one really means any harm and could actually care less about the outreach program or any other program designed and targeting the new veterans as it is a STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. This what we all have been fighting for and demanding for many years. We just do not want the VA to take away those things we have in place now to do so. You new guys go ahead and press for the funding to do so and we will support you 100 percent. However, all including you are inferring that the old guys are simply whiners and "give me for free" kind of people when we are not. We fought our battles both with the enemy and the VA over the years to get the VA to the point it is at now so why should we have to shut up when we feel that we are losing something we have fought (the VA) for to support us and all veterans? So don't tell those "old guys" to shut up and quit whinning cause we are only looking out for number 1. Keep in mind that this new change that you rant and scream about and continue to praise the VA for is not a change for all. It is a change for OIF/Afghan veterans (as touted by the VA and congress). Now with some TRUE self reflecting, who is really looking out for number one I have to ask?

-You are right. Many here and around the world are receiving compensation for things that "just happened" during our active time. We fought hard for this over the years and one day the young ones will appreciate this effort for they too will benefit from our battle with the VA over such issues. So why would you want to so disrespectfully bite the hand that may just be the reason for your "free money" to use your words.

-You are right. Those old VN vets need to quit whinning about crap for they are getting old and wore out. Hmmm.... you will too my son and then you will see. Why be so disrespectful to them with your tone and speech? If not for them you young guys who are having to deal with some of the most terrible things known to mankind during your tours would be simply kicked to the curbside by DoD and the VA who would claim that you were crazy since childhood from a personality disorder! These old VN guys and gals brought things to the fore front such as PTSD, freindly chemical exposure, DM etc........ They suffered many, many years of fighting with both DoD and VA to insure that no other class of veteran was simply kicked to the curb and labeled crazy. They lost their families, homes, cars and lives trying to insure that those like you are taken care of. So you go right on disrepecting them as you are with your old whinner speech - reach down and grab what you got and review yourself and see who is really whinning and only looking out for themselves. You might just see yourself in the mirror!

-I personally do not know of anyone on this site or within the "old guy" veteran community who would not tip their hat and respectivly move over for an older veteran who has gone before them. For they know that it was the actions and suffering of that old guy which gave them the system and country in which we now use and live in. In the battles fought with the VA by the VN veterans not once was the "old guys" disrespected or forgotten. None was disrepected, NONE, during the process to change the VA into a better system. So why must your generation now come along and tell the "old guys" to shut up for you know better? I assure you that with this VA and this government you do not know better. A few years from now you too will be old and forgotten. You too will have waged a battle to change the VA to a system that supports you. You too will be angered and "whine" about the VA. For your conflict will also have been over come by a new one. And your group too will feel that the government has turned its back on you for you too will face a VA system that is not user friendly, politicians that make speeches and recommendations to the president that he take from your group to get the non-supporting public off his back due to the current conflict. Just wait and see - if you are still around!

I have spent too much time on this but just wanted to give you something to think about over the next 15 to 25 years as you age.

Now you want unity between the two classes the government is trying to create then lets have unity. Come and sit with the old guys and say hey we gotta get this things changed for we have to go from point A to H. How do we get there. Don't tell us to shut up cause you got it under control. Don't call us whinners - you are acting like the VA in a situation of accepting medical evidence from a 2 year C&P doc vs that submitted by the veteran's 35 year specialist with your one year of experience in this area!!!! The experience is with the old guys - listen to it!

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