Agent Orange

[Berta]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/12/04/...99871259950043/

with her background could this be a smoking gun?

[Berta]

more here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/agent...0,1766354.story

[Testvet]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/12/04/...99871259950043/

with her background could this be a smoking gun?

Berta, I believe her, I have stated the same opinion about the mustrad gas in the ammo buners at Kamisayah Iraq in March 1991 the DOD paid for an IOM study using the Edgewood test vets as the control group for a Sarin study despite the fact that both Sarin and mustard agents were in the ammo bunkers , why?

Becaause there is to much data on the damgers of mustard agentsm they cause pulonary issues, cardiac problems and gastrointestinal disorders and other problems but do the math on 500,000 veterans of GW1 and even if only 1/4 of them got cardiac problems, or pulmonary disorders or gastrointestinal problems, they would be looking at 125,000 or more veterans at 100% or SMC S and now they are talking real money billions and billions over the next 50 years.

They won't even deal with the 7120 men of Edgewood experiments only 4000 are still alive

SHAD/112 6000 - ? survivors

Fort Detrick Biological weapons experiments unknown the government has never done a follow up study on these men

Nuclear weapons tests I have heard 60,000 many if not most of these men are deceased many like my step father dealt with one of more cancers, Dale had 3 types, breats cancer, lymphnodes in his neck removed and skin cancer all on the presumptive list....he like many other nuclear vets never filed a claim and the ones that did were told they were NOT exposed to enough radiation to have caused them any problems BS

Agent Orange is another costly mess cardiac problems should be SC and DOD knows it the Ranch Hand study intentionally ignored cardiac issues. There are many other issues that should be presumptive also. Charles Kelley probably has the most data on this issue......

they never kept this PROMISE did they?

[Testvet]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/12/04/...99871259950043/

with her background could this be a smoking gun?

Berta they will do to her what they have done to Kelley and all other people that exposre the BS they ignore it regardless of what is stated and Congress goes along with it......

[stillhere]

Well don't take me wrong please but I have tried since this first came out with finding forgiveness for our government their stupidity for spraying this crap on and around all of us!

I was in nam in 69-71 and really beleived we were doing a good thing and often told that to the few Vietnam people that I came in contact with. Call it the naiveivity of youth but I have struggled with the governnment saying they did not mean to spray anything that would hurt their own troops, and that it was the fault of the improper mixing and spraying and storage of all the stuff.

If I understand it correctly we are or our government is trying to right for what has happened since/ In the vets case the government not the drug companies are trying to right the wrong. Maybe not as good as we want but still trying.

We have to remember we were at war and the price of war is often devestating to the country that the fighting is in. There is no way that the Vietnamesse are going to win this case unless it is political.

What and how would wars be fought if every where they were fought the invading or in this case the helping country was held responsible for their actions? The vietnamess had the right to cancel the spraying whenever they wanted.

While I wish all them well, spraying the stuff probably saved many GI's at least for a while. Now 40 years later we are being hit by so many things that whenever another presumative is added I don't celebrate. I wonder what is next for me.

I started with DM2 and then PN hands and feet and then heart attack. just recently DX with PTSD and still have hearing loss that the VA refuses. Maybe after we are all dead and gone the government will really discloae what they did for the historians.

But I would doubt seriously that they would admit this to our enemies at the time.

Edited December 5, 2009 by stillhere

[Chuck75]

Actually, the Ranch Hand Study indicated that cardiac problems occurred slightly more frequently than DMII in the test population. I believe that newer information from NIH confirmed this, and used a larger sample, leading to the secretary's recent decision.

The current question has to do with ischemic heart disease (now presumptive)

There is a chain that begins with A.O. and Vietnam, progresses through such things as high blood pressure, cardio vascular problems, Diabetes II, etc. and ends with ischemic heart disease as the result. The VA has been denying compensation for these problems for many veterans, and seemingly at random, granting service connection for the same conditions for the "favored few". Since these conditions are intermediate steps in the chain leading to ischemic heart disease, will the VA continue it's practice of denials for them? As the VA has done with the medical conditions referred to as "pre-diabetes"?

Berta, I believe her, I have stated the same opinion about the mustard gas in the ammo bunkers at Kamisayah Iraq in March 1991 the DOD paid for an IOM study using the Edgewood test vets as the control group for a Sarin study despite the fact that both Sarin and mustard agents were in the ammo bunkers , why?

Because there is to much data on the dangers of mustard agents they cause pulmonary issues, cardiac problems and gastrointestinal disorders and other problems but do the math on 500,000 veterans of GW1 and even if only 1/4 of them got cardiac problems, or pulmonary disorders or gastrointestinal problems, they would be looking at 125,000 or more veterans at 100% or SMC S and now they are talking real money billions and billions over the next 50 years.

They won't even deal with the 7120 men of Edgewood experiments only 4000 are still alive

SHAD/112 6000 - ? survivors

Fort Detrick Biological weapons experiments unknown the government has never done a follow up study on these men

Nuclear weapons tests I have heard 60,000 many if not most of these men are deceased many like my step father dealt with one of more cancers, Dale had 3 types, breats cancer, lymphnodes in his neck removed and skin cancer all on the presumptive list....he like many other nuclear vets never filed a claim and the ones that did were told they were NOT exposed to enough radiation to have caused them any problems BS

Agent Orange is another costly mess cardiac problems should be SC and DOD knows it the Ranch Hand study intentionally ignored cardiac issues. There are many other issues that should be presumptive also. Charles Kelley probably has the most data on this issue......

they never kept this PROMISE did they?

[Berta]

The Chemical Companys have already settled with AO vets by virtue of the Agent Orange Settlement Fund long ago.

That was as screwed up as the Ranch Hand stuff was.

The only criteria for payment was

1. the veteran had to be totally disabled from anything-I forget if it consider 100% PTSD .

2. The vet had be proven as exposed to AO.

They sent my husband a map of Vietnam and he had to pinpoint where he was sprayed on.Ashau VAlley amopng other places , he was directly hit by the sprays.

The Judge at first denied his settlement claim saying he had not bveen in a spraying area.

(I guess they used the VA claims process as example of how to wiggle out of these payments.)

I immediately wrote to the Judge and asked for his written assurance that my husband would never get any AO disease since his proven exposure was question by the AO Settlement Fund.

The Judge reversed his decision immediately and he got paid and after his death they sent me the final check.

My husband was an AO vet which took 15 years after death to be awarded.

The Original lawsuit----------there is where some info probably is contained on just how many vets were sick due to AO-because they had total disabilities already but these disability were not recognised yet by the VA as due to AO in probably MOST cases.