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I THINK ALL PEOPLE IN FOR LIFE, KILLERS ON DEATH ROW AND VA EMPLOYES GO INTO COMBAT BEFORE OUR TROOPS,WHAT PERPOSE DOES IT DO TO KEEP KILLERS ALIVE THAT RAPED AND KILLED, AS THEY HAVE EXPERENCE,TO KILL WHY NOT? OUR TAX DOLLOR SUPPORTS THEM WITH EXCELLANCE HEALTH COVERAGE COMPUTERS, COLOR TV,POOL,LAW BOOKS DOES THIS MAKE SENCE TO YOU?EVERYTIME I READ A SON ,FATHER DAUGHTER,HUSBAND HAS BEEN KILLED . I CAN,TSEE WHY WE KEEP KILLERS ALIVE OR IN FOR LIFE,CONGRESS MUST PAS A LAW TO THIS,SOME OF US HAVE NO INSURANCE VA HAS DROPED GROUP 8,LEAVING VETERANS OUT,IS THAT RIGHT WHEN SOME KILLER JUST HAD A CAP PUT ON HIS TOOTH?. WE MUST INFORCE THIS INTO LAW. THE COUNTRY IS IN BAD SHAPE,MOST PEOPLE HERE CAN.T AFFORD THE THE NESSARY THINGS TO KEEP THEM ALIVE,. THIS MUST STOP CLEAN OUT ALL THE JAILS SEND THEM INTO COMBAT AND ALL VA EMPLOYEES,TO GO ALONG FOR THE RIDE,MAYBE IF THEY MANAGE TO GET BACE ALIVE,THEY WILL NOT STEAL LIE,OR PUT VETERANS CLAIMS INTO LIMBO,SOME VETS DIE BEFORE VA MAKES A DESISION,AFTER COMBAT THEY MAY HAVE COMPESSATION FOR WHAT WE STAND FOR WE ARE SPECIAL PEOPLL,HOW DARD MY GOVERMENT KEEP THERS USELISS PEOPLE ALIVE ON MY TAX MONEY. FRANK

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This is what Stalin did in USSR. He sent the criminals in front of the troops to sort out the mines and be shock troops. If we had a draft again most of the junior criminals would be in the Army. I was in with a group like that. You could not leave anything down for 10 seconds or it would be stolen. Plus guys kept trying to kill NCO's and officers in RVN.

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Dear Fellow Veterans & Friends.

You ask any combat comander if he wants death row inmates under his comand. They will alll say no. For one the prison system de hablitates and dehuminzes them. Most men would come out of prison so dysfunctional that if you put the stress of combat on them. No one knows what would happen. The military wants men and women who are functional. Most military duty does not inclued sucidal death charges against military postions But days of patrol and adapting to enemy tactics. You average criminal who has been institutionalized cannot hack it.

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This is what Stalin did in USSR. He sent the criminals in front of the troops to sort out the mines and be shock troops. If we had a draft again most of the junior criminals would be in the Army. I was in with a group like that. You could not leave anything down for 10 seconds or it would be stolen. Plus guys kept trying to kill NCO's and officers in RVN.

JOHN, I DON,T GET TOUR POINT,I PLEASE READ MY REPLY TO TERRY
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I THINK ALL PEOPLE IN FOR LIFE, KILLERS ON DEATH ROW AND VA EMPLOYES GO INTO COMBAT BEFORE OUR TROOPS,WHAT PERPOSE DOES IT DO TO KEEP KILLERS ALIVE THAT RAPED AND KILLED, AS THEY HAVE EXPERENCE,TO KILL WHY NOT? OUR TAX DOLLOR SUPPORTS THEM WITH EXCELLANCE HEALTH COVERAGE COMPUTERS, COLOR TV,POOL,LAW BOOKS DOES THIS MAKE SENCE TO YOU?EVERYTIME I READ A SON ,FATHER DAUGHTER,HUSBAND HAS BEEN KILLED . I CAN,TSEE WHY WE KEEP KILLERS ALIVE OR IN FOR LIFE,CONGRESS MUST PAS A LAW TO THIS,SOME OF US HAVE NO INSURANCE VA HAS DROPED GROUP 8,LEAVING VETERANS OUT,IS THAT RIGHT WHEN SOME KILLER JUST HAD A CAP PUT ON HIS TOOTH?. WE MUST INFORCE THIS INTO LAW. THE COUNTRY IS IN BAD SHAPE,MOST PEOPLE HERE CAN.T AFFORD THE THE NESSARY THINGS TO KEEP THEM ALIVE,. THIS MUST STOP CLEAN OUT ALL THE JAILS SEND THEM INTO COMBAT AND ALL VA EMPLOYEES,TO GO ALONG FOR THE RIDE,MAYBE IF THEY MANAGE TO GET BACE ALIVE,THEY WILL NOT STEAL LIE,OR PUT VETERANS CLAIMS INTO LIMBO,SOME VETS DIE BEFORE VA MAKES A DESISION,AFTER COMBAT THEY MAY HAVE COMPESSATION FOR WHAT WE STAND FOR WE ARE SPECIAL PEOPLL,HOW DARD MY GOVERMENT KEEP THERS USELISS PEOPLE ALIVE ON MY TAX MONEY. FRANK
To classify VA employees with killers and criminals is an insult. I was a VA employee for many years before I had heart attacks and 2 surgeries which caused my retirement. I am T&P and I did my level best to help veterans when I was employed in the health care system. I worked with many dedicated people who went above and beyond what was expected of them when it came to caring for veterans. I think you have lumped all VA employees into the same class. The claims system is just one part of the VA. I am a Vietnam veteran who saw combat 1966-67 and it made me more sensitive to veterans and thier needs.
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Frank, you are entitled to your own opinion, but your facts are wrong, there are some good people at the VA just like any other business, yes there are some that are less than honest, but to say they are all bad, is like saying all politicians belong in jail like Duke Cunningham, they don't so your supposition that all VA employees are criminal is just flar wrong and you make the statement that you speak for all of us vets, NO YOU DON'T, we all can speak for ourselves and I don't need you to do it for me, Jim has been here a lot longer than I have and has been giving advice to veterans helping them with their claims for well over 5 years, and you may have an attitude about the VA, and that is your problem. most of us on this board have had problems with the VA, that is why we are here, some come and learn enough to get their claims approved and disappear, others like Jim, Berta, RickB, Allan etc stick around and pass on the tidbits needed to help other veterans, just because you don't agree with everyone does not give you the right to blast them. You have the right to disagree just do it silently, will you, you are offensive to others....

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Jim said :

"The claims system is just one part of the VA." He is right of course-

We need to keep this in mind Frank- and I must sound negative to you, about the claims process, but I have said here before-over the years-and certainly will repeat it- that I have not only met the worst -at VA- I have had the priviledge to meet the best-at VA-at many levels within the system.

There are countless employees of the VA (I am former VA volunteer myself and my husband was employed at the VA) to include doctors, nurses, shrinks, and VARO employees who do their job as best they can.

If I made a list of all these good VA employees I have met over the years--the list would be much longer than the few VA doctors who caused my husband death.

I have been quick to complain over the years about lousy VA claims work and medical care- but I never forget- this system DOES award claims, when veteran's are diligent in obtaining evidence and willing to wait it all out -and the VA health care system DOES save lives.

Frank said

"AND IF YOU CAN,T HANDLE THE TRUTH, STAY OFF THE WEB "

The truth for me, as a widow of a vet, is that I actually still do have trust in the VA-

in spite of all my husband went through.

I believe that a vet with a valid claim will eventually succeed.

And I believe that most VA patients do get adequate health care.

It is offensive to me too that you would equate VA employees with criminals.

Also- I am a civilian- in a war college-

Everything I have learned about battlefield command is completely reflected within Terry's comments to you-

we want our best to defend us-

the criteria for joining every branch of the Armed Forces is high-because we need the best.Only the best can assimulate good command leadership.

A lot of these killers and rapists in prison are basically cowards with major control problems-

they are where they belong -which sure is NOT side by side with any brave man or woman who is serving our country.

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Jim said :

"The claims system is just one part of the VA." He is right of course-

We need to keep this in mind Frank- and I must sound negative to you, about the claims process, but I have said here before-over the years-and certainly will repeat it- that I have not only met the worst -at VA- I have had the priviledge to meet the best-at VA-at many levels within the system.

There are countless employees of the VA (I am former VA volunteer myself and my husband was employed at the VA) to include doctors, nurses, shrinks, and VARO employees who do their job as best they can.

If I made a list of all these good VA employees I have met over the years--the list would be much longer than the few VA doctors who caused my husband death.

I have been quick to complain over the years about lousy VA claims work and medical care- but I never forget- this system DOES award claims, when veteran's are diligent in obtaining evidence and willing to wait it all out -and the VA health care system DOES save lives.

Frank said

"AND IF YOU CAN,T HANDLE THE TRUTH, STAY OFF THE WEB "

The truth for me, as a widow of a vet, is that I actually still do have trust in the VA-

in spite of all my husband went through.

I believe that a vet with a valid claim will eventually succeed.

And I believe that most VA patients do get adequate health care.

It is offensive to me too that you would equate VA employees with criminals.

Also- I am a civilian- in a war college-

Everything I have learned about battlefield command is completely reflected within Terry's comments to you-

we want our best to defend us-

the criteria for joining every branch of the Armed Forces is high-because we need the best.Only the best can assimulate good command leadership.

A lot of these killers and rapists in prison are basically cowards with major control problems-

they are where they belong -which sure is NOT side by side with any brave man or woman who is serving our country.

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you are abusive to others on this board and you call me abusive just for informing you about it, you have no right to blast Jim or any other board member for that matter, you have a problem with one regional office so all employees across the country at the VA must be the same, that is like saying that one dog bites so all dogs must bite, it doesn;t hold water. I truly belive you have at least one 100% problem, I just doubt they have it diagnosed right. Did you come to Hadit for help with your problem or just to abuse other vets who are trying to help veterans get their claims handled properly or are you a Rove plant to cause disharmony among veterans? Right now I get the feeling your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor.

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you are abusive to others on this board and you call me abusive just for informing you about it, you have no right to blast Jim or any other board member for that matter, you have a problem with one regional office so all employees across the country at the VA must be the same, that is like saying that one dog bites so all dogs must bite, it doesn;t hold water. I truly belive you have at least one 100% problem, I just doubt they have it diagnosed right. Did you come to Hadit for help with your problem or just to abuse other vets who are trying to help veterans get their claims handled properly or are you a Rove plant to cause disharmony among veterans? Right now I get the feeling your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor.
YOU MAY BE RIGHT I GET THE SAME,FEELING ABOUT YOU FRANK
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Heck I just noticed you is a "newbie" hell everyone knows my elevator doesn't go to the top floor I am 100% P&T for PTSD, scheduler not TDIU, I don't play nice with other's, I treat people with the same respect I get or see, when there is none offered you don't get any, all I have seen from you is angry posts in all capitol letters, everything you write is critical, you offer no positive ideas at all, everything is negative. So yes people like YOU bring out my best side :) and if you feel offended by me you shouldn't I haven't even really started yet have I friends? Now how am I supposed to believe anything you say, you state very loudly that your wife cut up her CHAMPVA card, that you won't go in a VA Building, no way, no where and now you telling us that you plnated two trees in Isreal to honor two employees that work at the Newark VA, the worst VA in the country, now which one is it, do you use the VA or not?

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How did you sink the ship? I SERVED ON THE USS WASP I WAS THERE THE NIGHT I SUNK THE HOBSON

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WHAT I WROTE I STAND BY, I FEEL YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON,BUT VA HAS LOST YOUR TRUST. MY ROVA HAS BEEN ON 60 MINS. I DON,T KNOE WHERE YOU WORK, BUT I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING VA HAS LOST THE TRUST ALL VETERANS, SOME VETS,DIE BEFORE THEY RECEIVED THEIR CLAIMS. THERE ARE SO MANY,LIES CHANGED STATMENTS,MISSING ,YOU CANNOT TELL ME ,YOU ARE INSULTED, FOR MY STATMENT,YOU CAN,T HANDLE THE TRUTH, THE FACT IF IT WASN,S FOR VETERANS,YOU WOULD NOT HAVE A JOB. I DO NOT USE THE VA, FOR ANYTHING I AM,!100%, AND HAVE NEVER GONE FOR ANY TREATNENT AT VA AND I NEVER WILL. I WAS IN 2 WARS HADE 2 100% AWARDS GRANTED VA HAD THOSE PAPERS,58 YEARS EVERY TIME I TRIED TO FIND MT RECORDS VA WROTE NO RECORDS FOUND;

WELL I HAVE THOSE RECORDS NOW TO BACK UP MY CLAIMS. DON,T BE PROUD OF WHERE YOU WORKED I WOULD HAV MORE RESPECT, FOR YOU IF YOU CLEANED TOILTS, FOR A LIVING. I THINK I CAN STATE FOR ALL WE DON,T TRUST VA, AND WE NEVER WILL WE ARE SPECIAL PEOPLE,PROUE,OF OURSELFS AND IF YOU CAN,T HANDLE THE TRUTH, STAY OFF THE WEB FRANK

I can handle the truth. Truth is many veterans and families would not have received services if it wasn't for us toliet cleaners.
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frank i hear and believe i understand your anger, i think many of us here understand. my own experience with va employees runs the gamut much as it does with other industries, they include clueless, highly motivated, downright mean, extremely helpful, and all over the place. i don't believe it serves us as a group to lump all va employees into one rotten group, then we become like the folks who group all veterans into one group drug addicted, alcholic, worthless individuals. neither is correct.

i can look back and see both wonderful va folks and worthless va folks. it's a mix. take a breath and relax a bit let's not turn this thread into anger filled posts that go nowhere and just piss folks off.

personally i would not want to go into combat with a rapist or a killer. being led into battle by a homocidal manic seems counterproductive to my desire to stay alive and kill the other bastards before they kill us. but that's just me.

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How did you sink the ship? I SERVED ON THE USS WASP I WAS THERE THE NIGHT I SUNK THE HOBSON
you have no right,to point out a mistake,most of us do, we are here to help each other,as veterans,no to make fun or anyone that makes a mistake

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Frank,

You would be surprised to find out that the majority of people that work at VA are veterans, and a good portion of those veterans are disabled combat veterans themselves!

From what I can make of your previous post, you seem pretty bitter at the VA. Believe it or not, the VA is here to help the veteran, not "screw" them. Do mistakes happen at VA, you bet they do (I've seen some pretty wild ones myself), just like within any goverment or private agency. Just take a look at Social Security Disability. But you don't have the negativity with them as their is with VA! Documentation wins claims! If you have a complete set of records, you won't have any problems getting your deserved benefits!

I've read some of your post and must admit that, if you presented your claims to VA as you have here, then it's no wonder your situation so messed up! You stated you have 55 appeals pending! Did you receive 55 denials from VA? Probably not! Veterans wonder why their claims and appeals take forever. Alot of the backlog comes from stuff like this. Go get an SO or someone that knows what their doing to help with your claim!

Frank, I used to be a regular poster here on Hadit, giving assistance and help to fellow veterans as a 100% disabled veteran myself, but it was comments and remarks from people like yours that ultimately drove me away. The VA isn't the big, bad monster you think it is!

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Frank,

You would be surprised to find out that the majority of people that work at VA are veterans, and a good portion of those veterans are disabled combat veterans themselves!

From what I can make of your previous post, you seem pretty bitter at the VA. Believe it or not, the VA is here to help the veteran, not "screw" them. Do mistakes happen at VA, you bet they do (I've seen some pretty wild ones myself), just like within any goverment or private agency. Just take a look at Social Security Disability. But you don't have the negativity with them as their is with VA! Documentation wins claims! If you have a complete set of records, you won't have any problems getting your deserved benefits!

I've read some of your post and must admit that, if you presented your claims to VA as you have here, then it's no wonder your situation so messed up! You stated you have 55 appeals pending! Did you receive 55 denials from VA? Probably not! Veterans wonder why their claims and appeals take forever. Alot of the backlog comes from stuff like this. Go get an SO or someone that knows what their doing to help with your claim!

Frank, I used to be a regular poster here on Hadit, giving assistance and help to fellow veterans as a 100% disabled veteran myself, but it was comments and remarks from people like yours that ultimately drove me away. The VA isn't the big, bad monster you think it is!

Vike 17you do not have to remark people like me know my story first do not judge va kept back medical records in 1993,i was set up for a exam for radiation, va neve informed of this,my only son was born with a rear tumor ,if va would of let me have that exam it would of helped as my always had health problemsm i did not get my records until 2003,the tumor turned to cancer,in 1984,his kidney was cut in the operation it only works 20%,he will have to see doctors for the rest of his life, did va have to keeo this information from me to save money?i have 100% twice,va never told me ,so buddy think before you write people like me yes i hate va ,i hold va responable for my sons cancer,they held my recors from stating no records found or burned in fire.tell me tough guy hoe would handle this if that was your child,so stay off the web because of me,hell is to good for va , any veteran that states va is a goody -two show think twice, a big mouth think twice before you have the true story frank

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