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[kent76]

i do not recommend folks to lie or file false claims that just hurts eveyone else.

please try and keep the discussions civil

my health is not so good right now and i know you what more of a response from me but this is all i have for now

Hope u feel better soon!

Let me explain one thing! I was not there for the enlistment of my roommate so I don't know what was said and done!

I made a statement saying that I didn't think that she should have been allowed into the military because I work with people with MH and I know how many of them fare under pressure and duress! Again, this was only my opinion!

Carlie posed a valid question and someone took that and ran with it with the accusation of fraud! I was defending my roommate by saying that recruiters are aggressive and that they bend the rules sometimes to allow recruits to enter.

Prior to entering the service she checked herself in and out of a MH clinic but came away with no clinical diagnosis because she couldn't afford treatment! I think that she joined the military out of desparation which is common for a lot of young people!

The question now becomes, did she lie or not to get into the service! She was not clinically diagnosed with depression.

Again, and I stress, I do not know what she answered on her enlistment papers! But aren't those questions subjective to clinical proof? Otherwise, wouldn't they be considered opinions since my roommate is not a medical expert?

The military discovered the MH problem while on active duty and after a brief hospitalization and a diagnosis of depression and a personality disorder, she was allowed to complete her enlistment.

Maybe the problem here is me because I believe that if the military allows someone to continue their service AFTER knowing that they have diagnosed conditions then the servicemember should be entitled just like everyone else!

[kent76]

Hope u feel better soon!

Let me explain one thing! I was not there for the enlistment of my roommate so I don't know what was said and done!

I made a statement saying that I didn't think that she should have been allowed into the military because I work with people with MH and I know how many of them fare under pressure and duress! Again, this was only my opinion!

Carlie posed a valid question and someone took that and ran with it with the accusation of fraud! I was defending my roommate by saying that recruiters are aggressive and that they bend the rules sometimes to allow recruits to enter.

Prior to entering the service she checked herself in and out of a MH clinic but came away with no clinical diagnosis because she couldn't afford treatment! I think that she joined the military out of desparation which is common for a lot of young people!

The question now becomes, did she lie or not to get into the service! She was not clinically diagnosed with depression.

Again, and I stress, I do not know what she answered on her enlistment papers! But aren't those questions subjective to clinical proof? Otherwise, wouldn't they be considered opinions since my roommate is not a medical expert?

The military discovered the MH problem while on active duty and after a brief hospitalization and a diagnosis of depression and a personality disorder, she was allowed to complete her enlistment.

Maybe the problem here is me because I believe that if the military allows someone to continue their service AFTER knowing that they have diagnosed conditions then the servicemember should be entitled just like everyone else!

I just wanted to get that out! I guess that I am over this subject now and will just go back to reading and learning and getting ready for my own claim! Thanks everyone and I didn't mean to offend anyone because even those I have disagreed with offers great insight and advise that could be useful to me in the future. Thanks ken

[Tbird]

jay you clearly state that you advise lying flat out lying on your claim. we cannot allow this

jay i cannot in good conscious allow this to stand. this is beyond the pale for me and am sorry to loose you, but you when you advocate lying you are no longer welcome

So you are saying the VA is responsible for a pre-existing condition?

Yes, as long as one's service had a negative impact on the pre-existing condition.

Are you advising veterans to lie?

Most certainly; as does everyone else on here in a round-about way.

Are you advising veterans to conceal information on their claims?

Yup.

I'm not going to go through and cut-n-paste every time someone has said, "make sure you say your life before service was fine", because just about everyone here has said something to that affect. Heck, the VA regs encourage lying in that they allow you to withhold ANY information that is detrimental to one's case (which is a form of lying). So take the holier than thou stuff elsewhere....

Be very careful how you answer this...

Again be careful because that what it sounds like to me....

These are threats, passive aggressive threats, but threats none-the-less and you should be banned......

[Pete53]

So far I have only seen once on Hadit the advice to lie and than the audacity to say that everyone does it. Actually most of the time is not to lie. By the way the most common advice is not to dress up for a C&P is not a lie its strategic.

Lying of Forms that you swear to is the dumbest thing of all.

I also think that if someone is not entitled to win than so be it. The VA's job is to sort it out and I guess the liars don't help make things go any faster.

I cannot abide liars.

If you can't win your claim with the truth and evidence than move on.

[jbasser]

I whole heartedly agree with Pete.

The VA has the resources to catch a Liar.

I personally dont want to risk the outcome of such activity.

Jail.

Believe me, That is where one is headed if they are caught in a lie.

And by the way, I am sure there are VA people who monitor this board.

I guess they can learn somthing.

J

[kent76]

I whole heartedly agree with Pete.

The VA has the resources to catch a Liar.

I personally dont want to risk the outcome of such activity.

Jail.

Believe me, That is where one is headed if they are caught in a lie.

And by the way, I am sure there are VA people who monitor this board.

I guess they can learn somthing.

J

For me, this is a scary issue! You have over 22,000 service members denied benefits for having pre-existing conditions thus denied benefits. Many are allowed to serve and die for this country but are denied benefits later because of a diagnosis of having a personality disorder that pre-existed the military service based on what they tell the military doctors or c&p examiners. Many will appeal and win their cases! But that would allow the government to use tactics such as legal prosecution to retaliate against them. Something like that could have a snowball effect especially with the recruiting woes we have now.

Herewithin lies the problem,