Va Fraud.."smoking Gun"

[broncovet]

I recently got a VARO decision from Cleveland RO with a St. Petersburg RO cover page. This seemed more than a little peculiar, and I have been thinking why would this would happen? I am fairly sure these decisions are printed on computer, with the "default" cover page, being the local Regional Office.

Of course, this is a mistake, and I cant help but wonder why one RO would log into another RO's database? To help Veterans? To speed up the claim? Frankly the RO does not give a rip about Veterans.

(Yes I know RO's "farm out" their claims to other RO's, and mine has been farmed out to Virginia and Philadelphia. However, in each case, they told me about it. This time, they did not "farm me out" to St. Pete) Also, when I was "farmed out" to Roanoake RO, Roanoke did all the development and leg work, but then it was sent back to Cleveland for a decision.

I think the most likely reason is VA employee related fraud. To me, it is a "smoking gun".

When I put it in context, the whole thing makes sense: The VARO's denies deserving Veterans, funnels this money into "fake" claims, with large retros, (they have already been caught at doing this!), then "covers it up" by spreading the fake claims, with large retros over multiple Regional Offices, so it does not look like it is coming from one particular VARO. Of course, this would take lots of people in different cities all working this fraud together, but the "fraud pie" would be big enough for many to partake.

YES, I know this all sounds crazy, BUT WHY ELSE would regional Offices be so motivated to delay and deny our claims by the bushel basket full and even shred them? I would like opinions! I have no proof..just a decision from Cleveland with ST. Pete cover page and THOUSANDS of DEserving VETS being denied and delayed.

Edited January 11, 2009 by broncovet

[Ron II]

We all have our opinions and those posted previously obviously might be correct.

My opinion is that the reason vets have so many problems with VA claims are:

1. Many VARO personnel are inadequately trained

2. Many VARO personnel are inept due to item number 2 or they just don't have the comprehension to

perform a professional job in evaluating claims

3. Some VARO personnel just don't care

4. Some VARO personnel feel pressure to meet deadlines and end up doing sloppy work

5. Some VARO personnel likely destroyed files because they didn't have the ability to meet the imposed deadlines

6. There are some cases where claims are inadequately supported or prepared. I am glad Hadit is here to help those of us who have had this problem.

I do not think there is a widespread nefarious plot to keep vets from getting their rightful benefits.

Yes, my VARO sucks too...

JMHO

Ron

[jbasser]

Ron, you hold on to that hope.

J

[Ron II]

JBasser,

Yes, I get your drift...and like I said we all have opinions.

I just find it almost impossible for a huge entity like the VA having an undercover program that preempts proper payment of benefits. Even if "they" had a such a program, do you think every one of the hundreds (thousands?) of VA employees could keep it a secret from relatives, friends, or even the news media (in hopes of 15 minutes of fame)? I would be willing to bet that it could not be kept a secret even if it involved only one VARO.

Of course my thoughts on this run parallel to my thoughts on other matters that include:

I believe Oswald was a lone shooter

I believe Extraterrestrials did not land at Area 51

and

I'm confident Mr. Obama is not a citizen of Kenya

Ron

Edited January 12, 2009 by Ron II

[Ricky]

I believe Extraterrestrials did not land at Area 51

and

YES THEY DID I SEEN EM AS THEY FLEW OVER MY HOUSE. IT APPEARED THEY WERE HAVING A BIT OF TROUBLE WITH THE SAUCER AS IT WAS A TILT'N A BIT TO THE LEFT. I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THEY DIDN'T LAND CAUSE THEY CRASHED!!! :D B)

[Ricky]

I have seen a lot of claims denied down my way and based upon the amount one would say them ole boys do have a con spear usy

as sure as Elvis it alive.

However, if you stand outside the box and take a good look you will see that about 80 percent of the denials are based upon the first five of six things Ron listed with the remaining contributed to the six reason.

The good ones are so over-worked they can't care. The rest of them are just plain ignorant due to the lack of training or simply being unable to be trained. 60 percent of them could not understand an IMO even if you wrote it in crayon for them (they will some day - about 10 years from now).

The system is and always has been overwhelmed and under funded. However, keep in mind that although it has its uphill battles it is the best disability system in the world. They give you and your family (under certain circumstances) free health care, free meds, they help you buy cars and modify them to suite your disability, they give you scooters, they send you and your family to college etc........ If we could just get congress to care enough to fix the overall system the local VAROs would be more user friendly.

[Hoppy]

do you think every one of the hundreds (thousands?) of VA employees could keep it a secret from relatives, friends,

They are so under trained that they do not even know there is a problem. The system wide problem is that the VA allows the under training to continue. The under training creates employees who do not know how to develop a claim. The VA calls the process “perfecting “ a claim. The problem is that they really do not care how often they screw it up as long as they give you the right to appeal. What is funny that when you appeal the ask you to tell them how to do their job. The VA saves money by denying claims that are not properly developed. Under trained employees do not benefit the veteran. If you heard the testimony given to the congress from the director of the VA prior to the VCAA you would understand that the people who did not care were at the top of the VA. That is why the VCAA was passed. The director of the VA argued that passing the provisions of the VCAA would cost the VA too much money.

The military and the VA continue to have a hidden agenda of saving the tax payers money by cheating veterans out of benefits. Until such time the military and the VA establishes a system that directs injured soldiers to have their cases reviewed by attorneys and doctors chosen by the lawyers, at the time of discharge or at the time a post service claim is filled, veterans are being cheated out of benefits.

The entire system of directing veterans to doctors chosen by the VA, SO’s not bound by jurisprudence, and raters that are under trained, cheats veterans out of benefits that are rightfully theirs. Injured civilian workers have far superior protections of their rights as injured workers than military personnel and veterans.