HadIt.com Elder Buck52 Posted November 27, 2019 HadIt.com Elder Share Posted November 27, 2019 How would a Veteran get his (copys) of his service records or prove they were destroyed in the St Louis Fire in 73? veteran ETS in Feb 72..but as no sign or sight of his STR'S or any Service Records from different Duty Stations? His C-file is Practically empty just a few where he went to his VAMC for general health care. no records can he find where he was station at during his military service Aug 3 1969 to Feb 4 1972 Duty stations Fort Bliss Tx (Basic Training) Aberdeen Maryland Aberdeen Proving Grounds (AIT) 517TH Heavy Equipment Transportation unit (no longer exist) AS OF 1988 Schwetzingen Germany 1970 HHC Saigon Support Command APO? RVN (Vietnam) unit no longer exist) annulled in 1975 TMP How Would Veteran find his service records? when NRPC SAYS THEY CAN'T FIND THEM? (RECORDS NOT FOUND) Its like he never went into the military however he has his DD214 BUT NOT ALL DUTY STATIONS IS ON IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 HadIt.com Elder Buck52 Posted November 29, 2019 Author HadIt.com Elder Share Posted November 29, 2019 Thanks Bronco for this information...we have tried most everything and I don't know what else to tell him..other than this For veterans who are looking to reconstruct their service records, they will need to fill out the NA Form 13055, Request for Information Needed to Reconstruct Medical Data. :Source CCK Law I'll let him read this CCK Link himself. Its a dang shame we can't help him. There was another vet on hadit about 5 or 6 months ago maybe longer that had a claim appeal for his same reason no records, but he had some records and the VA would not use them , they wouLd not accept his claim appeal or CUE AND HE IS IN BAD HEALTH!!!! in 1972 after he got out or was medically discharge and evac out of Nam by the 24th Evacuation Hospital, Long Binh, Vietnam and sent to the states laid up in the hospital and he can't find any of his records I can't remember his screen name here on hadit but he came her a few times needed help but no one was able to help him...I am not sure he is still here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dustoff1970 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 This may have already been said here but many years ago I heard it repeatedly said on other veterans forums that no Vietnam era veterans records were lost in the 73 fire but only WWII and Korean vets were affected. I have not heard or seen this from official sources tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Berta Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 My former POA asked me to help a vet may year ago and showed me his letter from the VARO that said most of his records were destroyed in the 1973 fire.The vet rep handed me the minimal STR records they (VA) sent. No charring, no watermarks....I was with a local fire department for years- firemen do not go into major fires and selectively save a few pieces of paper here and there. I knew the veteran. He was not even born until after the fire! The VA probably just saw USAF service and his last name was probably alphabetically after Hubbard, and they never consider his more recent period of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Berta Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Buck, this site lists 63 members who served in HHC Saigon Command Vietnam, and they might have more info elsewhere on the site- it is a good site for for finding buddies and other info on units. https://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=PublicUnitProfile&type=Unit&ID=55794 and the google search for HHC Saigon Support Command Vietnam is voluminous: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS695US695&ei=WBPhXfrnBMLktQWZjbegDw&q=HHC+Saigon+Support+Command+Vietnam&oq=HHC+Saigon+Support+Command+Vietnam&gs_l=psy-ab.12..33i299l3.538.12783..15097...0.0..3.4018.17761.6-2j9j1j1......0....1j2..gws-wiz.....0..33i160.nWJPe0DmMrY&ved=0ahUKEwj686qLuo_mAhVCcq0KHZnGDfQQ4dUDCAs Also at least 4 links pop up for 517TH Heavy Equipment Transportation unit https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS695US695&ei=VBzhXb_1G420tQWl8LGYBA&q=517TH+Heavy+Equipment+Transportation+unit&oq=517TH+Heavy+Equipment+Transportation+unit&gs_l=psy-ab.12..33i160l2.196500.202218..207819...0.4..3.1555.5290.1j5-1j8-3......0....1j2..gws-wiz.....0..0i71.mO-GhAHAEkg&ved=0ahUKEwi_757Uwo_mAhUNWq0KHSV4DEMQ4dUDCAs They might have changed the name of the unit to the 517th MCT after 1988 517th Movement Control Team, 25th Transportation Battalion, 19th Expeditionary Sustainment Command The internet is the greatest tool ( and weapon to fight claims denials) that we could possibly have. But if a veteran or their surviving spouse is not PC literate- they are going to be lost in trying to find the info they need. Research on the net takes a lot of time, but it often holds the keys to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Berta Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) There are 34 decisions at the BVA that came up in my search for HHC Saigon Support Command Vietnam Apparently the VARO never even attempted to get this veterans SMRs. I am willing to search the 33 left to see if there is anything there that denotes whether other vets in his unit had trouble getting their records, as this could support a heightened duty to assist and the request to reconstruct his records. This is one of their decisions ,suggesting what the RO should attempt to get-and like I mention here often on remands, is there anything the claimant can do themselves to satisfy the remand..... "The AMC should contact the appropriate entity and attempt to obtain any records (operational reports-lessons learned or similar document) that narrates the activities of HHC US Army Support Command, Saigon, between December 1970 and December 1971, and in particular whether it was in the vicinity of incoming hostile fire during the Veteran's service during that period, and whether a member of it (Robert Washington) committed suicide by hanging between April and June 1971." https://www.va.gov/vetapp09/files4/0934502.txt Also: https://www.va.gov/vetapp06/files5/0638210.txt This vet’s records proved he was in HHC Saigon Support Command, 90th Replacement Battalion,Vietnam 68-69 with no problem. Does the vet you know have more on his DD 214 on his unit designation, such as a replacement battalion? Edited November 29, 2019 by Berta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Berta Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) Also I lost the net for a minute- no BVA link-----but my point is Is there more to his unit designation to narrow down the search and has this vet taken any steps at all,via JSRRC, or via any of the entities mentioned above by the BVA to find his records? You said" NRPC SAYS THEY CAN'T FIND THEM? (RECORDS NOT FOUND)" Have you seen their letter? Also In response to the veteran's request, the United States Army Military History Institute submitted in December 2001 the OR- LL report from the 125th Trans Cmd for the period of February-April 1969. In this report, several rocket attacks were noted to have been made in the area of the Saigon Port complex. On several occasions, rockets exploded in the commercial and residential areas surrounding the port, as well as in the river adjacent to ships at berth. No casualties or damage occurred within the United States Army Terminal, Saigon, during any of these attacks. Edited November 29, 2019 by Berta in cloud...double posts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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How would a Veteran get his (copys) of his service records or prove they were destroyed in the St Louis Fire in 73?
veteran ETS in Feb 72..but as no sign or sight of his STR'S or any Service Records from different Duty Stations?
His C-file is Practically empty just a few where he went to his VAMC for general health care.
no records can he find where he was station at during his military service
Aug 3 1969 to Feb 4 1972 Duty stations Fort Bliss Tx (Basic Training)
Aberdeen Maryland Aberdeen Proving Grounds (AIT)
517TH Heavy Equipment Transportation unit (no longer exist) AS OF 1988
Schwetzingen Germany 1970
HHC Saigon Support Command APO? RVN (Vietnam) unit no longer exist) annulled in 1975 TMP
How Would Veteran find his service records? when NRPC SAYS THEY CAN'T FIND THEM? (RECORDS NOT FOUND)
Its like he never went into the military however he has his DD214 BUT NOT ALL DUTY STATIONS IS ON IT.
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