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This story was sent to me by another woman veteran....disturbs me greatly that a woman, with that much "power" in the Pentagon would say something like this, and it was obviously covered up, well not anymore! I've also passed this along to Jim Strickland and asked him to make it public in his special way!!

Time to send Ms Whitely some correspondence, don't you think?..........

25% increase in sex assault in combat zones: 'Wait until she's sober,' says Pentagon watchdog

BY Richard Sisk

DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Updated Wednesday, March 25th 2009, 12:44 PM

The Pentagon is launching a sex assault prevention camapign which advises soldies to "ask her when she's sober."

WASHINGTON - It didn't get the attention of President Obama's recent Special Olympics. gaffe, but a "wait until she's sober" crack by the military's top sex crimes watchdog was more offensive, one New York lawmaker says.

"This woman is not in the right line of work," Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-Rochester) said of the statement last week by Dr. Kaye Whitley, director of the Pentagon's Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office.

Whitley's bizarre quote came as she released the military's annual report on sex assault, which showed a 25% increase in combat zones, including 22 cases in Afghanistan and 143 in Iraq.

In pitching "bystander intervention" to curb attacks and harassment, Whitley gave this example: "If you see one of your buddies serve drinks to somebody to get them drunk, maybe what you do is step in and say 'Why don't you wait until she's sober?'"

Slaughter was aghast. "I was really shocked anyone would say a thing like that," she said.

In effect, Whitley was telling the troops to "go after her when she's sober - that says she's fair game," added Slaughter, who sponsored the legislation that required the military to report annually on sex assaults and its efforts to curb them.

In a written response to The News, Whitley said Slaughter did not "hear the statement in the context of the overall prevention strategy of the Department."

The statement came from a poster in a military marketing campaign called "Our Strength is for Defending" that is aimed at prevention, Whitley said.

The poster reads: "My Strength is for Defending, so when I saw that she was drunk, I told him, 'Ask her when she's sober.' Preventing sexual assault is part of my duty."

Whitley's annual report showed that the number of sex assaults in the 1.4 million-member active-duty military increased 8% to 2,908 in the year ending in September 2008.

Whitley noted that only about 20% of the attacks are reported because of "the fear and stigma associated with the crime."

Just 38% of the cases that were reported eventually were referred to a court martial, she said.

"This is one of the problems," said Rachel Natelson, a lawyer at the Veterans and Servicemembers Project of the Urban Justice Center in Manhattan. "It's a lack of consequences. People think they can act with impunity."

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I spent decades telling myself that what I experienced,

happened because I entered a life,where women didn't belong.

Decades of more guilt.

And I'm a femmi-natzi.

carlie

Carlie passed away in November 2015 she is missed.

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It is about the most absurd thing I've heard this whole week. As I move into the weekend, this about takes the cake for me. I watch a lot of Law and Order...Special Victims Unit episodes that are often dealing with rape cases. In one episode the woman was so drunk she didn't know where she was. She was raped, needless to say. But when all was said and done it was discovered that she had been drugged...not to mention, alcohol was being added to her glass without her knowledge the entire time.

My point is that rapist rape women because they don't have the courage to ask one for sex when she is sober. Rape is not about socialism, it is about control.

I was in a freakin dorm when I was raped. There was no alcohol; and if anyone was drinking it was him. This doc is crazy sick and full of herself and I believe on her way to becoming a victim herself because thinking more highly of yourself than you ought will always get you brought down a peg or two. She is going to be wearing the other shoe before her life is over...watch.

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OK...this could be my testicles speaking, but I think you all have completely taken this woman's comment out of context. The way I interpret this is she is urging any soldier who witnesses a fellow soldier feeding a female alcohol in a attempt to assault her to step in and suggest trying to get in her pants legitimately when she is sober. Not by rape or assault at all...but the old fashioned way, like courting her. You know, the way it is supposed to be done. Again, maybe this is just because I am a dude, but I just don't see this female doctor advocating rape. The thought of that is completely absurd.

I hope you ladies don't take my comments wrong and know that I am on your side 100% when it comes to sexual harassment, assault, and rape. I have a wife, a mother and a daughter.

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Many posters her have taken this totally out of context and

not research any of it - that equates to reading the headlines,

but not the story or report that follows the headlines.

This all has to do with Sexual Assault Prevention.

After spending several hours researching this topic,

I am in agreement with rental in his response.

I myself am an MST Veteran.

carlie

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2...combat_zon.html

In pitching "bystander intervention" to curb attacks and harassment, Whitley gave this example: "If you see one of your buddies serve drinks to somebody to get them drunk, maybe what you do is step in and say 'Why don't you wait until she's sober?'"

Slaughter was aghast. "I was really shocked anyone would say a thing like that," she said.

In effect, Whitley was telling the troops to "go after her when she's sober - that says she's fair game," added Slaughter, who sponsored the legislation that required the military to report annually on sex assaults and its efforts to curb them.

In my Opinion this statement is Slaughter's personal interpertation of Whitney's example statement.

Whitney DID NOT state,"go after her when she's sober - that says she's fair game.

Again - this statement is Slaughter's personal interpertation of Whitney's example statement.

In a written response to The News, Whitley said Slaughter did not "hear the statement in the context of the overall prevention strategy of the Department."

The statement came from a poster in a military marketing campaign called "Our Strength is for Defending" that is aimed at prevention, Whitley said.

The poster reads: "My Strength is for Defending, so when I saw that she was drunk, I told him, 'Ask her when she's sober.' Preventing sexual assault is part of my duty."

http://www.sapr.mil/

<H1 id=h1Home>Welcome to the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office

(SAPRO) website. </H1>SAPRO is the organization responsible for all Department of Defense (DoD) sexual assault policy. The Department of Defense does not tolerate sexual assault. The Department has implemented a comprehensive policy to ensure the safety, dignity and well-being of all members of the Armed Forces. Our men and women serving throughout the world deserve nothing less, and their leaders — both military and civilian — are committed to maintaining a workplace environment that rejects sexual assault and reinforces a culture of prevention, response and accountability.

This website provides guidance and other information for victims of sexual assault, unit commanders, first responders, and others who deal with this sensitive issue. This site addresses confidentiality, reporting procedures and other elements of DoD's sexual assault policy as well as training information, safety tips, resources and links to related websites.

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ABOUT SAPRO

Mission

The Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office will serve as the single point of accountability and oversight for sexual assault policy, provide guidance to the DoD components, and facilitate the resolution of issues common to all military services and joint commands.

The objectives of DoD’s Sexual Assault Prevention and Response policy are to specifically enhance and improve:

  • Prevention through training and education programs
  • Treatment and support of victims
  • System Accountability

History

In February of 2004, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld directed Dr. David S. C. Chu, Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness, to review the way DoD handles the treatment and care for victims of sexual assault in the Military Services (Memorandum). Of particular concern, too, was how the military services provided care in the combat theaters.

The Department quickly assembled the Care for Victims of Sexual Assault Task Force, led by Ms. Ellen Embrey, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Force Health, Protection, and Readiness, and charged the task force to report back in 90 days with recommendations (Task Force Report for Care of Victims of SA). Task Force members devoted a tremendous amount of effort into the review, and the Task Force released a series of recommendations in April 2004.

One of the recommendations emphasized the need to establish a single point of accountability for sexual assault policy within the Department. This led to the establishment of the Joint Task Force for Sexual Assault Prevention and Response, and the naming of Brigadier General K.C. McClain as its Commander in October.

The Task Force focused it’s initial efforts on developing a new DoD-wide sexual assault policy that incorporated recommendations set forth in the Task Force Report on Care for Victims of Sexual Assault as well as in the Ronald W. Reagan National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2005 (PL108-375). This act directed the Department to have a sexual assault policy in place by January 1, 2005.

In January 2005, DoD presented to Congress a comprehensive policy on prevention and response to sexual assaults. The policy provides a foundation for the Department to improve prevention of sexual assault, significantly enhance support to victims, and increase reporting and accountability.

The Task Force and the Military Services collaborated closely to ensure the rapid and effective implementation of this policy. In 2005, the Task Force provided instruction to more than 1,200 sexual assault response coordinators (SARCs), chaplains, lawyers, and law enforcement to create a cadre of trained first responders. In addition, the Military Services trained more than 1,000,000 service members and established sexual assault program offices at all major installations.

The overarching elements of sexual assault prevention and response policy became permanent with the approval of DoD Directive 6495.01, Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Policy, in October 2005. The Task Force began transitioning into a permanent office that same month.

The Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office (SAPRO) now serves as the Department’s single point of authority for sexual assault policy and provides oversight to ensure that each of the Service’s programs complies with DoD policy. It quickly obtained approval of DoD Instruction 6495.02, Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Program Procedures , making permanent all elements of the Department’s sexual assault policy. In addition, it conducted a training conference for all SARCs and is completing work on two interactive training DVDs for victim advocates.

SAPRO, under the leadership of Director Kaye Whitley, continues to lead the Department’s effort to transform into action its commitment to sexual assault prevention and response. This undertaking enjoys the support of leaders at all levels, and it will create a climate of confidence and trust where everyone is afforded respect and dignity.

SEXUAL ASSAULT

What Constitutes Sexual Assault?

Sexual assault is a crime. Sexual assault is defined as intentional sexual contact, characterized by use of force, physical threat or abuse of authority or when the victim does not or cannot consent. Sexual assault includes:

  • Rape,
  • Nonconsensual sodomy (oral or anal sex),
  • Indecent assault (unwanted, inappropriate sexual contact or fondling),
  • or attempts to commit these acts.
Sexual assault can occur without regard to gender or spousal relationship or age of victim.

“Consent” shall not be deemed or construed to mean the failure by the victim to offer physical resistance. Consent is not given when a person uses force, threat of force, coercion or when the victim is asleep, incapacitated, or unconscious.

Other sex-related offenses are defined as all other sexual acts or acts in violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice that do not meet the above definition of sexual assault, or the definition of sexual harassment as promulgated in DoD Directive 1350.2 , Department of Defense Military Equal Opportunity. Examples of other sex-related offenses could include indecent acts with another and adultery.

For the specific articles of sexual assault offenses under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), see the Manual for Courts-Martial (MCM).

POLICY

Outlined below are the documents that constitute DoD’s Policy on Prevention and Response to Sexual Assaults. The DoD Directive and Directive Type Memorandums (DTMs) incorporate the recommendations set forth in the Task Force Report on Care for Victims of Sexual Assault as well as from Public Law 108-375, the Ronald W. Reagan National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2005, which directed the Department to have a sexual assault policy in place by January 1, 2005.

The DoD Directive provides overarching Department policy on sexual assault prevention and response. The specific provisions and guidance listed in the DTMs will remain in effect until the DoD Instruction, currently in review, is approved.

DoD Directive - Sexual Assault Prevention and Response (SAPR) Program

DoD Instruction 6495.02 - Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Program Procedures

DTMs

  • Collateral Misconduct in Sexual Assault Cases (JTF-SAPR-001)
  • Increased Victim Support and a Better Understanding of Sexual Assault Cases (JTF-SAPR-002)
  • Data Call for CY04 Sexual Assaults (JTF-SAPR-003)
  • Review of Administrative Separation Actions Involving Victims of Sexual Assault (JTF-SAPR-004)
  • Commander Checklist for Responding to Allegations of Sexual Assault (JTF-SAPR-005)
  • Definition of Sexual Assault (JTF-SAPR-006)
  • Training Standards for DoD Personnel on Sexual Assault Prevention and Response (JTF-SAPR-007)
  • Response Capability for Sexual Assault (JTF-SAPR-008)
  • Confidentiality Policy for Victims of Sexual Assault (JTF-SAPR-009)
  • Collaboration with Civilian Authorities for Sexual Assault Victim Support (JTF-SAPR-010)
  • Training Standards for Sexual Assault Response Training (JTF-SAPR-011)
  • Training Standards for Pre-Deployment Information on Sexual Assault and Response Training (JTF-SAPR-012)
  • Essential Training Tasks for a Sexual Assault Response (JTF-SAPR-013)
  • Sexual Assault Evidence Collection and Preservation Under Restricted Reporting (JTF-SAPR-014)

TRAINING

The Department of Defense’s sexual assault prevention and response program focuses on:

  • Preventing sexual assault;
  • Improving a victim’s access to services;
  • Increasing the frequency and quality of information provided to the victim regarding all aspects of their case; and,
  • Expediting the proper handling and resolution of a sexual assault case.
The key to prevention is ensuring everyone understands their roles and responsibilities in preventing sexual assault. A consistent, vigorous training and education element is crucial.

Signed DoD Report of Sexual Assaults in FY2007

<LI>Signed DoD Report of Sexual Assaults in CY2006

<LI>Signed DoD Report of Sexual Assaults in CY2005

<LI>Press Release - DoD Releases Sexual Assault Report for 2005

<LI>Signed DoD Report of Sexual Assaults in CY2004

Service Academy Reports

DoD Reports

Transcripts and Memoranda

Defense Manpower Data Center (DMDC) Surveys

Other Resources

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RELATED LINKS

This page provides a listing of a variety of links related to sexual assault. The appearance of hyperlinks does not constitute endorsement by the Department of Defense. The Joint Task Force for Sexual Assault Prevention and Response does not exercise any editorial control over the information you may find at these locations.

DoD Service Sexual Assault Links

Other DoD/Government Related Links

Public Websites

<LI>Washington Headquarters Services Executive Services Directorate Directives and Records Division DOD Issuances and OSD Administrative Instructions http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/

<LI>Department of Defense Equal Opportunity http://www.defenselink.mil/prhome/eo.html

Public Websites

NEWS ROOM

SAAM 2009 Announcement

All SARCs can find the 2009 SAAM theme by going to the SAPRO Defense Knowledge Online (DKO) page located at https://www.us.army.mil/suite/page/382109. All Military Service Members, DoD civilians and DoD contractors are eligible to obtain a DKO account. Registration instructions are on the website under New user. The announcement provides the theme for this year, as well as the materials you can expect to receive from SAPRO at the end of February/March 2009. It also has sample materials to help you prepare for SAAM 2009. (If you have a Service specific Knowledge Online account, you can access this page from your Service homepage; search for SAPRO and click on the first link you see.) The page has a direct link to the SAPRO website, a Knowledge Center and forum capability. If you have any suggestions, please email us at sapro@wso.whs.mil. We hope you find the information useful.

Defense Knowledge Online

This page is only available to DoD civilans/contractors and Military Service Members at https://www.us.army.mil/suite/page/382109

(If you have a Service specific Knowledge Online account, you can access this page from your Service homepage; just search for the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response page and the link will be there.)

The page has a direct link to the SAPRO website, a Knowledge Center and forum capability. If you have any suggestions, please email us at sapro@wso.whs.mil

Radio Blog

Dot Mil Docs Promotes Sexual Assault Awareness in the Military

On October 30, Dot Mil Docs will feature Dr. Kaye Whitley, Director of the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office (SAPRO). Dr. Whitley will discuss her team's efforts to enhance and improve prevention of sexual assault through training and education programs, treatment and support of victims, and system accountability in order to create a climate of confidence and trust where everyone is afforded respect and dignity.

Dot Mil Docs is a 30 minute, live, online radio show done in interview format every Thursday at 3 pm Eastern Time. The program highlights the Military Health System and the people who make it work. You can tune in to the live broadcast at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/Pent...rk/Dot-Mil-Docs and each show is archived on line, available for listening at any time, day or night.

Newsletters

Archived Newsletters

Press Packet

The latest news and press releases from the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office:

  • March 6, 2009: Congressional Testimony Transcripts

    CQ Congressional Transcripts

    HASC Testimony

  • December 18, 2008: Sexual Assault Report - The Defense Department released the latest military service academy report on sexual harassment and violence.

    http://www.sapr.mil/contents/news/2007%20SAAM%20PR.pdfVideo Link

  • April 3, 2007: Department of Defense Sexual Assault Prevention Office Observes April as Sexual Assault Awareness Month

    Press Release

  • DoD Releases Sexual Assault Data for 2004--May 6, 2005

    http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/n...50506-2982.html

  • DoD Issues Confidentiality Policy for Sexual Assault Victims--March 18, 2005

    http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/n...50318-2247.html

  • Transcript--Defense Department's New Policy Concerning Assaults on Women in the Military--March 18, 2005

    http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/200...50318-2283.html

  • DoD Announces New Policy on Prevention and Response to Sexual Assault--January 4, 2005

    http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/n...50104-1927.html

  • Transcript--Special Defense Department Briefing on the New Sexual Assault Policy--January 4, 2005

    http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/200...50104-1922.html

  • Contact a Sexual Assault Response Coordinator (SARC)

    or Victim Advocate (VA)

    Local information provided by your Military Service

    or

    Hotline Number -

    Contact Military One Source 24/7 for Restricted/Unrestricted

    Reporting, Local SARC/VA Points of Contact,

    and Established DoD Sexual Assault Services.

    Stateside: 1-800-342-9647

    Overseas: 00-800-3429-6477

    Overseas Collect: 1-484-530-5908

    Contact Us

    Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office

    Hours of Operation: 0800 - 1700

    Email: SAPRO@wso.whs.mil

    Phone: 703-696-9422

    DSN: 426-9422

  • SAAM Campaign 2009

    SAPRO's SAAM materials have been designed to support installation and unit sexual assault prevention and education efforts. These downloads contain material that can be reproduced and distributed to support local SAAM campaigns. Materials include:

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    About the Campaign

    The 2009 SAAM theme, “Our Strength is for Defending: Readiness=Respect” focuses on the ability of every Service member to prevent sexual assault by taking an active role in looking out for the welfare of friends and co-workers. As leaders in the field, Sexual Assault Response Coordinators (SARCs), Victim Advocates (VAs) and commanders have the ability to educate and to encourage our Service members to be ready and act in situations where people may be in jeopardy. This is especially important when alcohol is involved. Creating an environment of mutual respect and assistance is key to prevention. As you plan your campaign, try to use this theme to complement your activities.

    <H3 class=h3Body>Posters</H3>

  • <H3 class=h3Body>These poster state - "My strength is for Defending"</H3>
  • <H3 class=h3Body>They are being produced by DOD (Pentagon) as advertisements</H3>
  • <H3 class=h3Body>for when one service member observes another service member's</H3>
  • <H3 class=h3Body>plan of action regarding an intoxicated female and how easy it's going to </H3>
  • <H3 class=h3Body>be for him to take advantage of her (non-concensually) sexually.</H3>
  • <H3 class=h3Body>The strength in Defending - is by the non assaulting service member </H3>
  • <H3 class=h3Body>that is observing to say - hey man, look she's had a bit too much to drink</H3>
  • <H3 class=h3Body>and she doesn't even know what you are planning to do.</H3>
  • <H3 class=h3Body>This ain't going to happen on my watch. If you want to hook up with her</H3>
  • <H3 class=h3Body>then you better ask her when she's sober.</H3>
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Carlie passed away in November 2015 she is missed.

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NO.

It's wrong. Almost sounds like the DoD is trying to at the very least minimize rape, now publicly, in the military...and giving the men and "out". So...who determines what "sober" is???? One drink? Two drinks? 1/2 a drink? Where's the line???

It's wrong on any level and the DoD is trying to perform damage control--CYA because they now realize they have a HUGE problem on their hands that they don't want to deal with.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Purple...you're too pissed off to see what is really being said by this statement. This lady is advocating intervention. Nothing more, nothing less. It has been blown completely out of proportion by someone with a agenda, and you bought into it.

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You know what Rentalguy? I am pissed off. You know why? Because I was raped while on active duty....this idiot of a woman who made this statement has NO idea what she is talking about.

I have a right to be pissed off!

How anyone can take the side of rapists in the military and those (like this woman) who are obviously on their side is far beyond me.

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