Ask For Sex If She's Sober

[purple]

This story was sent to me by another woman veteran....disturbs me greatly that a woman, with that much "power" in the Pentagon would say something like this, and it was obviously covered up, well not anymore! I've also passed this along to Jim Strickland and asked him to make it public in his special way!!

Time to send Ms Whitely some correspondence, don't you think?..........

25% increase in sex assault in combat zones: 'Wait until she's sober,' says Pentagon watchdog

BY Richard Sisk

DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Updated Wednesday, March 25th 2009, 12:44 PM

The Pentagon is launching a sex assault prevention camapign which advises soldies to "ask her when she's sober."

WASHINGTON - It didn't get the attention of President Obama's recent Special Olympics. gaffe, but a "wait until she's sober" crack by the military's top sex crimes watchdog was more offensive, one New York lawmaker says.

"This woman is not in the right line of work," Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-Rochester) said of the statement last week by Dr. Kaye Whitley, director of the Pentagon's Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office.

Whitley's bizarre quote came as she released the military's annual report on sex assault, which showed a 25% increase in combat zones, including 22 cases in Afghanistan and 143 in Iraq.

In pitching "bystander intervention" to curb attacks and harassment, Whitley gave this example: "If you see one of your buddies serve drinks to somebody to get them drunk, maybe what you do is step in and say 'Why don't you wait until she's sober?'"

Slaughter was aghast. "I was really shocked anyone would say a thing like that," she said.

In effect, Whitley was telling the troops to "go after her when she's sober - that says she's fair game," added Slaughter, who sponsored the legislation that required the military to report annually on sex assaults and its efforts to curb them.

In a written response to The News, Whitley said Slaughter did not "hear the statement in the context of the overall prevention strategy of the Department."

The statement came from a poster in a military marketing campaign called "Our Strength is for Defending" that is aimed at prevention, Whitley said.

The poster reads: "My Strength is for Defending, so when I saw that she was drunk, I told him, 'Ask her when she's sober.' Preventing sexual assault is part of my duty."

Whitley's annual report showed that the number of sex assaults in the 1.4 million-member active-duty military increased 8% to 2,908 in the year ending in September 2008.

Whitley noted that only about 20% of the attacks are reported because of "the fear and stigma associated with the crime."

Just 38% of the cases that were reported eventually were referred to a court martial, she said.

"This is one of the problems," said Rachel Natelson, a lawyer at the Veterans and Servicemembers Project of the Urban Justice Center in Manhattan. "It's a lack of consequences. People think they can act with impunity."

[carlie]

seems strange that mst victims should support others and not defend a person that supports rape..that's how i ntook the comments from the dod idiot.

jim,

At HADIT MST victims do support others.

I do not know of any HADIT (MST) members that would defend

a person that supports rape.

jmho,

carlie

[carlie]

This is the most up to date Hearing that I have been able to locate.

Dr, Kay Whitley provides testimony at this Hearing.

There are several posts in this thread that have accused Dr. Whitley of

siding with rapist, some of her comments totally taken out of context

and references to Dr. Whitley thinking rape is OK if someone is sober.

This is completely untrue.

Everything I can find on Dr. Whitley consistently refers to her opinion that

rapist and DOD need to be held accountable and she does not

sugarcoat her vocabulary by referring to rape as anything other than that,

rape.

Two of the main task assigned in Dr. Whitley's employment position are:

1) networking with multiple agencies to find and create ways to help prevent rape

2) ensure there is funding for several programs.

Dr. Whitley has already been successful in budgeting out these programs for the next five years.

Dr. Whitley supports funding for training of prosecutors and investigators, and commanders, and sustaining that training.

Posted below is a link to the entire Hearing transcripts.

House Armed Services Subcommittee on Military Personnel Holds Hearing on Sexual Assault in the Military

http://www.sapr.mil/contents/news/documents/CQ%20CONGRESSIONAL%20TRANSCRIPTS_20090306.pdf CQ CONGRESSIONAL TRANSCRIPTS Congressional Hearings March 6, 2009

House Armed Services Subcommittee on Military Personnel Holds Hearing on Sexual Assault in the Military JUST SOME EXCERPTS: FOUBERT:

The real problem in our society that leads to rape, or -- I mean there -- there certainly is a problem in our society that leads to rape in terms of how we raise men and what behaviors are acceptable.

There -- and there are somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen, two dozen characteristics of men who are more likely to rape than other men, and -- and there is this culture of masculinity, one- upsmanship.

Men who are more likely to rape tend to drink more. They tend to be more hyper-masculine. They tend to have characteristics that tend to be more associated with the men who go into the military.

So you will -- you -- you start with a biased sample, from the researchers perspective, going into the military. So it's not surprising that you might have more of a -- more of an issue with rape in the military than your average company, organization, those sorts of things.

The -- the biggest problem I see with rape in the military right now is the military needs to be using more research-based approaches in its approach to rape prevention.

There is some dabbling with some approaches that have support from one theory or another or have been shown to change knowledge, but you -- you don't change behavior by changing knowledge.

And so I think there -- there needs to be more work done on that.

I think there is significant, sincere interest among many people in the military in addressing this problem,

and I -- and I applaud that.

And I think that there are -- are some really good souls, who are trying to do their best.

I just -- I think we need to move forward with research-based approaches that have shown positive outcomes.

And you know like I said, there have been breakthroughs in rape prevention research just in the last few years.

We need to start applying those to the military, because we can -- we can do that, do that successfully, and start addressing this problem.

DAVIS:

Thank you. I appreciate that, and I hope we'll get -- have a chance to get back to some of those issues.

Mr. Wilson?

WILSON:

Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.

And Dr. Whitley, thank you so much for being here.

I also want to commend the people that you work with in the earlier panel,

a number of professional people, who obviously are very caring, compassionate and competent.

As I think of military service, to me it's a extraordinary ability, uplifting opportunity for young people to serve through education, through meeting very competent and capable and patriotic fellow citizens, I travel.

I just got back two weeks ago from visiting with people in my home state, who are serving in Guam, serving in Korea, serving in Okinawa, Japan.

I was green with envy. I was so happy for them to have opportunities that I --

I didn't know existed. And so I am very pleased about military service.

It was stated earlier that being in the military, that some people join to be a part of a family. And I know that's been the experience with us, that it is a family, and it's also establishing lifelong friends.

And so that goes to the point that you made that it's a moral duty to report. That would be not consistent with fellow family members.

As you face the challenges of developing sexual assault prevention policies and programs, what are the major challenges that you have? Are there gaps in the programs? And -- and what can we do to help you address the gaps?

WHITLEY:

Thank you for that question, Mr. Wilson.

First, it's a monumental task to begin with, because we're talking about more than two million people that are stationed all around the world, so there is really no step-by-step guide for us to follow. I don't think there's anyone that's ever done this on the scale that we are attempting to do it.

As far as the gaps, I think Dr. Foubert just hit on the main gap -- is that what we had done to date did not necessarily -- it was not necessarily based on research.

Some of the videos that the service showed today -- they were developed probably in the last few years, because they've been in place for a while.

The prevention strategy that we have just completed and presented to our leadership is based on research, and the two PSAs that Dr. Foubert said were getting closer to what they should be were evidence- based.

And so we are moving in that direction.

We have a lot more to do, but we are not shy about reaching out and asking for help.

We held a second summit -- I don't -- I think I have that in my testimony as well -- in '08.

And we brought together Men Can Stop Rape. We had Dr. Paul Schewe from the University of Chicago, Dr. Antonia Abbey from Wayne State, and Gail Stern from Catharsis Productions.

WHITLEY:

We also worked with CALCASA and the Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape. And they are all ready, willing and able to help us as we implement and develop our prevention strategy.

WILSON:

And I was impressed by the videos. I particularly was impressed where it's persons of the same age group, peer group, in effect, hopefully, speaking to each other instead of pontificating by persons of another age group.

WHITLEY:

Sure. DAVIS:

Yes. Can I ask you, if you could just follow up with a capacity question in terms of the resources that you have?

You know, we've all said that this costs the military an awfully lot of money to deal with this. And are we putting the resources there, the level of expertise in your department, that's going to actually be able to provide the kind of care in this area that we need?

WHITLEY:

I think we're moving in that direction.

We have budgeted out for five years. And we just took a new step in terms of looking at exactly where the money goes.

My leadership asked each of the services to come back and let us know

how much they spend on victim care, how much they spend on administering the program.

And they have to break it down by program element codes.

And we've just recently gotten that information, and we're analyzing it. And part of my oversight role is to ensure that they're funded. But we identify new requirements every day, and continue to request new resources.

I do have full support of my leadership. Secretary Gates has come on board

as being very interested in four areas. And those four areas are the training of prosecutors and investigators, and commanders, and sustaining that training.

And also, we're really looking closely at stigma.

And we have to get back to him with action plans on those areas. So, that's going to help, having support all the way down from the SECDEF.

[carlie]

http://www.militaryhomefront.dod.mil/porta...2.500.180.0.0.0

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[purple]

I feel I've been given no choice here.

Here's the real Dr. Kaye Whitely:

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=...mp;jumival=2010

http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentReader....189547645304832

[Pete53]

I just disapproved a very sexist reply to this thread. I apologize to any who saw it and were offended. I know that I was. I promise that if anyone posts another objectionable reply they will be bouncing down the hallway. It is ok to disagree on Hadit it is not ok to attack or label members and not ok to be demeaning and spiteful.

[purple]

Thanks Pete. I was actually speechless when I saw that. I couldn't reply with what I wanted to without probably getting thrown off of Hadit. I hope to never see that person on here again.