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Thoughts On "new And Material Evidence" Standards.

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Troy Spurlock

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Mods, feel free to move this topic to the appropriate forum if I have posted it within the wrong one.

I am getting ready to go head to head with the VA helping another Vietnam veteran reopen a claim vs. filing it as a new one because the original claim was not only incorrectly filed by the county VSO (that I hope to replace soon, interview is tomorrow for the job), but the VA RO in its denial really didn't address any evidence for or against the claim and was rather vague about it.

I made a great investment buying two books from Lexis Nexis that focuses on case law, etc. and the CFR/USCS on veterans benefits, and in reading it I cannot help but question something. Here is what I gleaned from the text:

"The new definition of "new and material evidence" has changed and is applicable to any claim finally denied received on or after August 29, 2001.

New evidence means existing evidence not previously submitted to agency decision makers."

>Okay...so what if a veteran, by whatever means, submitted "evidence" to the RO [bUT] the RO 'never' really considered it and/or cited it in their decision of denial?

Just because "evidence" is submitted to agency decision makers does NOT necessarily mean that that evidence was actually reviewed much less considered by the [decision makers].

Thoughts?

"Material evidence means existing evidence that, by itself or when considered with previous evidence of record, relates to an unestablished fact necessary to substantiate the claim."

>What if all the evidence on file is generated by the VA Medical Center, and as we are all human, to be human is to er. That being said, the rectal cancer that this veteran was diagnosed with was given a particular name, which could qualify as a 'soft tissue sarcoma,' a presumtive condition of AO exposure.

Then again, it could have been misdiagnosed altogether yet operated on just the same (and incorrectly with three follow-up corrective surgeries that included a stint in the bladder sphincter muscle - which in and of itself is another claim, either tort (malpractice) or subject to disability compensation according to some citations I read in the Lexis Nexis books).

"New and material evidence can neither be cumulative nor redundant of the evidence of record at the time of the last prior final denial of the claim sought to be reopened, and must raise a reasonable possibility of substantiating the claim."

>Again this begs the questions, what if the decision makers NEVER considered it?

The advocacy tip in these books state that an advocate needs to focus on the reason(s) for the denial in asking to reopen a claim.

Given the decision of denial on this veteran, which is vague and makes NO reference to any diagnosis or specific evidence; I feel that reopening it won't be that difficult, it's their anticipated denial based on "new and material evidence" I want to nip in the butt before they can give it.

Thoughts?

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Troy I am sorry you did not get the job I think you could have helped a lot of Veterans. In a way although I really respect the work that Hoppy does I think that sometimes we just have to try our best and the VA is so inconsistent and unable to read medical information that sometimes even is Hoppy is right you can still win.

Hoppy I consider you to be brilliant and also selfless helping Veterans with hours of research and excellent arguments, If I have a technical issue with the VA your thoughts are most appreciated. I also feel its important to support claimants but also tell them the facts that they need on how solid a claim they have. After all the really big claims take years most of the time and for most of us we held out before making our claim.

I hope that you both continue to help Veteran and don't forget that there are thousands who look at your posts every month.

Thank you both

Veterans deserve real choice for their health care.

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A moderator should close this thread as it seems to be getting personal..Just help a vet is the reason we are here. There is a proper time and place to vent, b ut this is not IT.

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A moderator should close this thread as it seems to be getting personal..Just help a vet is the reason we are here. There is a proper time and place to vent, b ut this is not IT.

Actually the thread is great for study on va claims.

Neither Troy not Hoppy have been out of line and both have remained cordial,

in their own way in reply's.

There is no flame I see in this thread.

Troy and Hoppy are both here helping vets - disagreements are certainly allowed.

Carlie passed away in November 2015 she is missed.

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I have written this before but am happy to do so again. If it were not for the brilliant (and I mean brilliant) summation Hoppy made on my behalf before the Board of Veterans Appeals, I am not convinced that I would have won and had the satisfaction of reading "100%, Permanent and Total, no further examinations scheduled" yesterday.

What was so striking to me then and now was the hours and hours he put into it for me researching and on the phone.

dean,

My mind is a bit mushy today as I can't remember reading the issue

or what was needed to overcome and get it awarded.

Can you post a link for me to go back and read

what issue's were denied or lowballed and what was submitted to

help support the 100% P&T from BVA or a link to the BVA case itself - if it's on line now,

(probably much too soon for this).

Thanks

Carlie passed away in November 2015 she is missed.

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Carlie, I have discovered, as you guessed, a lot of the information will take 2-3 weeks to process into the system. i was awarded 30% for my legs in 2004 after being run over by a 105 Howitzer in the service. The timeline after that- (my best guess)

August 2006 claim for secondary

denied that fall/NOD

appeal to BVA

BVA tv hearing early 2007

remand to RO

denied in 2007

BVA appeal into 2008

denied

appeal to CAVC

remanded to BVA late 2009

remanded by BVA to RO August 2010

RO denies August 2011

back to BVA Feb. 15, 2012

BVA grants April 4, 2012

What Hoppy did is specifically refute line by line the assertions made in the denial of August 2011 in terms that would make Perry Mason proud and with documented supporting evidence. Prior to that, (and I will generalize) I had a nationally known VA attorney who could put you down in two heart beats (complete with profanity) but could not get off his ass to spend an hour a month for you. Thank God for guys like Hoppy. I am stunned still today on how much time he spent on me through the goodness of his heart.

My appeal might have gone through BVA in 2010. the IMO was strong enough. My crack national atty got it remanded from CAVC back to BVA for not referencing my SSDI records. Then he wrote BVA he waived their right to see them. They then remanded my appeal to the RO for the SSDI records. It cost me two more years and financial ruin and yes, I am bitter toward him....

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