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Please, stop saying pot kills pain. Back it with study for it to be fact.


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Please, stop saying pot kills pain. Back it with study for it to be fact. As far as I know it is opinion. I am extremely annoyed and pissed when people who say this or push this. I know real pain, and people that have never experienced great suffering have some inside knowledge that sick people were never told? I have limited options with pancreatic disease and pain, not to mention spinal disease, liver disease, etc... and know that pot only got me high, had no help at all with pain, and the other stuff people make and spread saying it is medicinal are full of it. Someone, please only use it as opinion in posts and discussions. If you have references from professional studies post the reference. People that are freaking out looking for pain relief, might buy into this pot and pain stuff, and offer them false hope, well that sucks. When suffering greatly, people have to find any and all help to rid themselves of horrific pain, and if people keep saying it as fact, it better be fact. If it works for some people, good for you! Enjoy a normal life.. but it never helped me and I hate the feeling of it... I would be very sick and high at the same time, which is misery for me. I have my own issues with the morons (like those bogus pain clinics who think they can stop pain with mind control, but notice the people running them are not in severe pain, yes been through those) who are screwing me out of pain meds that took 20 years to find what works through trial and error, now all of the people on the opiate crusades are trying to stop sick people from taking them because other people made bad choices. People can be dangerous to others just for pushing their agenda. Without thought to the people they are harming. If it works good for you, but please, only use facts, not opinions. Personal responsibility!

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I do not know about pot and pain but I know opiates.  I too am sick and tired being punished because some people are addicts.  I am treated like an addict when I get my medicine at the pharmacy and that disturbs me.  Ten years ago my doctor and I had six months of serious conversations before I started on opiates, it was not a decision taken lightly.  The local emergency room has a letter on file from my doctor that I am not a drug seeking patient.  

As for mind control I had to take biofeedback classes for pain.  I was playing with the stress meter when they had me hooked up to their little machine.  The nurse asked me if I was doing it on purpose and I said yes.  She said there was nothing they could do for me if I had that much control over my body and was still in pain.

As for people who do not know pain, real pain is when you think about killing yourself to stop the pain.  If you have never been there do not judge me. 

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Ok, since you asked, here is "one" study explaining that ingredients in pot relieve pain.  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2503660/

There are others, but feel free to look those up yourself. 

There are many different kinds of "pot".  To ask if pot will help your pain is like asking if "a chair" is comfortable.  There are hundreds of different kinds of chairs, for a variety of different sizes and shapes of people, with vastly different ideas of what makes a chair comfortable.  

https://www.wikileaf.com/thestash/the-different-types-of-weed-sativa-indica-hybrid/ 

I am most excited about canabadoil (CBD), which is an ingredient in pot, but usually is derived from hemp, a similar plant to pot, but with little or no "get high" THC compound.  

CBD was legalized, nationwide, in 2018.  http://time.com/5516745/cbd-oil-legal-healthy/

Hemp, a plant that the police could not tell the difference between it and Marijuana, was banned in Kentucky, and most other states not because it was bad, or people got high, but because police did "raids" only to find out the "pot plants" were actually hemp.  

Hemp products are often shipped to the USA from Candada.  

NOTE:  I do NOT advocate the use of ANY illegal drugs, to include "pot"  in states where it's illegal. 

If you are opposed to its use, my recommendation is to stay away from it.  

However, "just because" FDA approved it, or your doctor prescibed a drug, does not guarantee that ANY drug wont harm you.  

Here are some that were used, but later taken off the market.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

There will almost certainly be others, which are in common use today.  

According to US News, prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death.

https://health.usnews.com/health-news/patient-advice/articles/2016-09-27/the-danger-in-taking-prescribed-medications

 

 

 

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 Just my 2 cents.

I don't smoke the wacky tabbaca  but I know people who do  and they use a pipe  not paper or zig-zags ( in other words they don't smoke a  whole Joint)

Ground up marijuana including the buds   then a small pinch between your index finger and thumb...put it in your pipe bowl Light it  then inhale it into your lungs and hold for about 5 or 6 seconds  then  blow it all out.  that's it ,you might want to go lay on your bed after doing this because of the high you may get..(.as a caution) do not drive or operate machinery, 

Sure this distorts your mind   but I 've been told it does release the pain   where nothing else would (Nothing) ...Now it maybe  a distortion of your brain signals  that send the pain singles that your having pain.

But if it works for someones pain and they only use it for that  I don't blame them.....a person in pain has to try anything to get relief...other than ending their Life.  and smoking a little bit of marijuana  to ease the pain   I would have to agree with that

Now if you abuse the Marijuana and it makes you high and sick  thats about the only way it will make you sick    it only takes one good inhale from the smoke and hold in  5/6 seconds  then blow it out.(from what I m told)

The ones that I know use marijuana to help them with their pain are law bidding citizens and respectful community members and they don't smoke cigarettes and  they do cough  when doing the marijuana  but they say it helps 100% with there pain  and some  say yeah you might get a little high...sick   even hook on it

so to me  its what works  for you that will help take away your pain   even for just for few hours  enough to get some much needed rest/sleep...why not?

One could get hook on this stuff that's true  but if you use it correctly that may not happen.

These folks are not pot heads to say the lest  but they say it works.

And it is there choice   just because some people smoke it to release their pain   don't necessarily mean its meant for you.

 to each there own.

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I have children and don't want them to do things that are bad.. and they have been very good, but I believe that al the suffering and going without without help from the va my child go to go to a private school which gave her an excellent education, away from the pressures and b.s. and public schools... and stayed away from drugs and it paid off for all of us... Up here in Oregon they al have tons of pot.... good for them..... I just don't want or like people who are relatively healthy giving me advice on drugs, pot, etc..... take it, but leave me out..... and if  they get really sick with horrific diseases, then take it and let me know how it works out for you.... until then,,, please no advice..... spent my of my life suffering and dealing with quack doctors and bogus meds and va liars.... yes I am jaded, but I also grew up in the 1960's and 1970's and see how communities end up with drugs and have family members who died from drugs.... I am happy to say my records are clean, and that most likely the va searches through your records to dig up dirt on you to see if they can screw you out of benefits if you were bad.. and naughty..... after all they seem to get off of denying disabled vets benefits... anyways,, so tired of people pushing pot, oils, dead chickens voodoo.. and everything else.... life has sucked enough just from the va lies and tricks.. don't need to add more b.s. for them to use against me, and I don't want to be stoned while extremely sick.... even if I wasn't stoned I don't want the stuff..... unqualified people spread anything they hear as fact.... IMHO

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Pot isnt the problem.  Opiods are.  People with drug problems most often start in a doctors office, with a prescription for vicodin.  

It releives their pain, then the doc cuts em off.  So they look elsewhere for pain relief, which is often street heroin (an opiod).  

As far as hemp oil, George Washington grew hemp.  Source:

https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/facts/george-washington-grew-hemp

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I am about to start trying hemp oil and I have two chronic pain conditions, and I will let you know.  

Also you can't back it with a study when the pot is a class 1 drug (which makes no sense) and Heroin is a class 2 drug.  

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I have to agree with Buck, to each his own.

I am a user of opioids and use them responsibly with the help of my doctor.  I do not believe that responsible use of opioids is the problem that people make it out to be.  If used correctly they do not lead to being a heroin addict.  You do not even get high.  Chewing opioids is where people get into trouble.  That is a choice that people make and then they blame it on their doctor.  Maybe there was some of that but now you need to almost have an act of congress to get opioids.  You are tracked on a state database and they know everything about you as far as dosage and the last time your prescription was filled.  Your doctor has to make a prescription out every month for you.  Now they are threatening the license of doctors that prescribe opioids making doctors afraid to prescribe them.  

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About 3 to 5 years ago  the VA was cracking down on opioids especially the narcotics II  So the VA PCP were screening us and making us come in for random drug testing From time to time.

Before Member Carlie passed away she wrote up a good post as to how to keep your pain meds coming  from your VA-PCP.and stop these random drug testings.

She said in a friendly way she mentions to her VA PCP Dr that she has learn to manage her pain medications  by taking other pain meds like 800 Ibeprofen  ect,,ect,, cut in half  and also half of a Pain medication  depending on how bad  her pain was  and only take the prescribe pain medications when necessary ect ect,,,(I can't remember word for word what all Carlie mention) but this is close

  she said she never had a problem after that  after letting her PCP know she has learn to be conservative with the pain med's and manage them better.

I took Carlie  advise & Mention this to my VA PCP and I no longer am being called in for urine test,,I get low on my pain med's narcotic II and call the Dr   no problems.  its sent here to my home within 3 to 5 days after I call.

So the Random drug testing was stopped  only when i see my VA PCP for 6 month or yearly check up's is when I have to give urine and blood samples.

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Keep in mind that the CBD oil you can purchase at local shops or online is not regulated. Short of taking some to a lab, there is no guarantee that you are getting what it says on the label. I saw on TV news an interview with a scientist saying that the unregulated variety is often much less potent or can contain other ingredients. I'm hopeful for CBD oil to treat chronic pain, but waiting on the FDA to approve its use for this purpose. Just trying to make it until then...

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I agree with Vync

Seems like there was a poster on here about a year ago from Colorado I think ?  the CBD Oil was passed in his state and maybe its passed in the other states that legalize marijuana  ?

He made the CBO and it was the only thing he could use to get reliife from pain  but it could not send it out of state...I wish I knew who that was??

so many CBD dealers are not getting the correct ingredients  or  have added  cheaper ingredients ...but the price don't drop  and besides  you can tell when you get the good stuff   vs the watered down stuff.

I wish my state  Texas would pass this Bill  they have it in Austin  as a dead bill   but I heard this morning they did pass the law  for marijuana use.

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53 minutes ago, Buck52 said:

I agree with Vync

Seems like there was a poster on here about a year ago from Colorado I think ?  the CBD Oil was passed in his state and maybe its passed in the other states that legalize marijuana  ?

He made the CBO and it was the only thing he could use to get reliife from pain  but it could not send it out of state...I wish I knew who that was??

so many CBD dealers are not getting the correct ingredients  or  have added  cheaper ingredients ...but the price don't drop  and besides  you can tell when you get the good stuff   vs the watered down stuff.

I wish my state  Texas would pass this Bill  they have it in Austin  as a dead bill   but I heard this morning they did pass the law  for marijuana use.

I do not disagree there are those that are crap. I go off of research and people I know who have taken it for a while and are totally different look on life. So larzuras  naturals seems to be a great place to start and they are vet friendly to give a large discount and I am excited to try it. 

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Thanks Shrekthetank1  for the name.

I'll check them out.

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Most EVERYTHING we buy comes with labels we can not trust, not "just" CBD oil.  

Example:  Corn.  Yes, the yellow kernels.  We dont know if these are GMO, loaded with pesticides or not.  The labels "dont have to tell us" if this is a genetically modified corn, because Monsanto and other huge companies have lobied FDA and has gotten the GRAS (Generally recognized as Safe) label to genetically modified corn and other stuff even when there are no studies to really show that its safe.

   Recently, the FDA has said that the ingredient in ROUNDUP is safe, while the courts have ruled quite the opposite, awarding millions to people where that stuff caused cancer.  

Agent Orange was a big scandal with VA.  The VA would not admit that AO was causing Vets problems for decades.  

And, what about JetGuns?  Those were "safe" and approved, right?  Ask Alex Graham about Jetguns and why they are not used anymore.  

Example 2:  Chickens  These are often filled with growth horemones, and often contaminated with e coli or other stuff.  

    The bottom line is the FDA is WEAK, corrupt, and  subject to influence by large chemical companies, and puts its "stamp" on just about anything, including hundreds of drugs which were approved by FDA then later banned, but only when it makes them money to do so.  

https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts

The FDA is just a smaller, weaker, and more subject to outside influence branch just like VA.  Of course, both VA and FDA are corrupt.  

 

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25 minutes ago, broncovet said:

Most EVERYTHING we buy comes with labels we can not trust, not "just" CBD oil.  

Example:  Corn.  Yes, the yellow kernels.  We dont know if these are GMO, loaded with pesticides or not.  The labels "dont have to tell us" if this is a genetically modified corn, because Monsanto and other huge companies have lobied FDA and has gotten the GRAS (Generally recognized as Safe) label to genetically modified corn and other stuff even when there are no studies to really show that its safe.

   Recently, the FDA has said that the ingredient in ROUNDUP is safe, while the courts have ruled quite the opposite, awarding millions to people where that stuff caused cancer.  

Agent Orange was a big scandal with VA.  The VA would not admit that AO was causing Vets problems for decades.  

And, what about JetGuns?  Those were "safe" and approved, right?  Ask Alex Graham about Jetguns and why they are not used anymore.  

Example 2:  Chickens  These are often filled with growth horemones, and often contaminated with e coli or other stuff.  

    The bottom line is the FDA is WEAK, corrupt, and  subject to influence by large chemical companies, and puts its "stamp" on just about anything, including hundreds of drugs which were approved by FDA then later banned, but only when it makes them money to do so.  

https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts

The FDA is just a smaller, weaker, and more subject to outside influence branch just like VA.  Of course, both VA and FDA are corrupt.  

 

Bronco is dead on.  Parts or most of the government is very corrupt.  The system you see to keep you safe is there for the money.  There are so many more treatments the US outlaws, because it is too cheap to make and would hurt one of the big guys.  Or the treatment is too effective!  

I would rather hear from people who use a product regularly to see how it affects them and the benefits it has.  We also know the FDA will downplay or just not put warnings out on products if they can get away with it.  

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Here is a great example of a weak FDA, which caves in to the food lobby.  

Many years ago, Harvard researchers found out that hydrogenated oil, aka "trans fats" is absolutely horrible for your health and they estimated this oil kills 10,000 people per year.  So, did the FDA ban this stuf from foods?  

No.  The food companies lobbied FDA, complaining that removing trans fats "would cost the food companies too much money" even tho trans fats essentially clog up our veins and arteries leading to heart attacks and strokes.  This happens because "hydrogenating" oil makes it a solid at room temperature, while it would normally be a liquid.  

Finally, in 2018, "new" products banned hydrogenated oil, while food companies could continue poising Americans with trans fats so food companies could profit.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/multimedia-article/trans-fat-ban-fda/

It worked great.  Food companies could add hydrogenated oil, and it greatly increased "shelf life".  Frankly the stuff never spoiled, in part because bacteria are smarter than we are..they would not eat hydrogenated oil because it clogged their systems, too.  

So, food companies put it in Twinkies, margarine, potatoe chips, cookies and hundreds of other foods.  

When Harvard published this study proving hydrogenated oil is a slow acting poison, the food companies rebelled against its ban because it would cost them too much money to reformulate products without trans fats.  

Finally, last year, trans fats were banned by FDA in NEW products, but old products can still have this poison.  (That is, they cant create any new products with trans fats, but can keep selling us old products).

A few responsible companies removed trans fats in spite of FDA caving to the food industry, above our safety.  

Lays removed trans fats from potatoe chips about 10 years ago, as did Vortman cookies.  

Of course, the food companies resisted labeling which showed trans fats adversely affect our health.  So consumers were left in the dark by a corrupt FDA, taking bribes from food companies to allow continued use of this slow poison in our foods.  

Worse, a label can read "0 trans fats" EVEN when it has trans fats!!!  Why?  The food companies lobied to "round off the number" PER SERVINg.  

So, companies can continue to put trans fats in food, make a smaller "serving size on the label" and "round down" anything less than .5 gram per serving to 0.  By doing this, they can decieve consumers into thinking there is no trans fat in the product, while, in fact, its loaded with it.  You see, the company sets the "serving size".  So a "serving size" of a piece of pie can be a teaspoon full, which would contain a half gram of trans fats, which would round down to 0 grams, and the food company could label it "No trans fats", decieving the customer, but getting millions in kickbacks from food companies who could lie to us about trans fats by allowing this manipulation of the numbers.  This is all with FDA's blessings, and their pockets loaded with money.  

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