More Problems With Va Prescriptions

[Pete53]

Once again my prescription is late Aprazolam was due on June 2, and as of today not delivered. I found out not even sent either. After more than 2 hours on phone the solution was for me to cal my Primary Care Doc and get new Prescriptions.

Since November they lost my prescription and have not given me my refill on time once.I was polite today and talked to the Pharmacy and the new deal the VA Call Center. You cannot get directly to your Doc at VA anymore.

I am going to ask my Doc on Medicare if he will write a prescription for me and just buy it myself.

[john999]

If you go to your congressman about these things they usually look at you like "what do you want me to do". I still go and see my private primary care doctor even though it cost me because of things like what Pete is saying. Why do we have to put up with this crap? My patient advocate is an idiot and no help at all. This is why I keep my private insurance because I don't trust these guys and this thread reminds me why. We need some kind of "go to" official that can really fix these things for us. That is whay patient advocates are supposed to do, I know. So the truth is that the VA is still dysfucntional. It is a pretty good place to die, however.

[stillhere]

Running out of meds and have to go to my cardio doc for some samples to tie me over. As some of you may know i had another stent placed in March 07 and I was on plavix from the VA for one year after my first surgery. Well when i went to healthevet to refill which has been pretty good for me and I make sure and refill 2 weeks well in advance. My script had expired for that and my sleeping pills so i did as requested and sent my PC a fax telling her about the operations and sent images of the blocakge and said my doc wanted me to take plavix again for the next year and that i also needed a script for my sleeping pills. That was on the 21st of May. Today is june the 6th and while the scripts have been writtin and submitted on June 1 I have run out of the sleeping pills and plavix ran out today.

Long story short I notified PC, advise line and seems all these people know is one damn speed slow or stop. Hope I get my pills tomorrow.

Stillhere

[Pete53]

My primary Doc called in the script and I am on my way to pick them up.When I next got to VA I am filing a claim to be reimbursed for the Doc Copay and the cost of the medicine. I also plan to file a grievance with the Administrator of the VA.

[jecsb4]

AND,

They are billing my wife's insurance for anything that I do get.

We got a statement from the insurance folks the other day.

I'm approaching the 'lifetime limit' on the policy that the wife pays through the nose for.

It not only ain't free or even close to adequate, they are sending us the bill.

sledge

Dear Vet,

Pleaee educate me...if you are 100% as you state... then the VA is responsibe for all MED costs that are service connected or not, including Med....

I am new to this, so what am I missing?

PS..thanks for serving!

Joe

[toimi]

While on the subject of VA prescriptions I thought you may be interested in my United States Court of Appeals for veterans Claim, VA violation of 38 USC 1722a.

Let's assume you are at the VA picking up your prescription. You and another veteran in line in front of you are prescribed the exact same identical prescription of 45 pills. Both supplies carry a copay of $8. Right? But, your prescription requires that you split your supply. You now have a 3 month supply (15 pills 1/2 pill per day). This $8 supply now increases in copay cost to $24, for the exact pill medication and supply that costs $8. But let's kick it up a notch, assume that veteran in front of you, having still the same prescription, his supply for a 30-day supply is instead 90 pills. Copay remains at $8 for this 30-day 90 pill supply.

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Hope this explains, how the veteran is overcharged by the VA, and just got shafted again (3/13/07) by the Board of Veterans Appeals (BVA).What veterans have known as fact, is that veterans continue to lose benefits. This is just another example.

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Criteria & Analysis by the Board of Veterans Appeals.

“. ...The appellant contends that the standard copayment is excessive in light of the pill splitting.” No where in my claim did I mention the word ‘standard.’ To determine what then is the standard $8, 30 day supply, one must compare 2 supplies. The VA apparently has two(2) standard supplies. A 30 day supply of 30-60-90 pills. Copayment cost $8. Then a second standard 30 day supply of 15 pills, $8 copay. Two distinct and different standards. A standard in cost, but no standard in supply. One does not have to read any further to see the unfairness of the BVA decision.

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The BVA cites my argument, 38 U.S.C.A. Sec. 1722a “Copayment for medications. Paragraph (2) The Secretary may not require a veteran to pay an amount in excess of the cost to the Secretary for medication as described in paragraph (1).” As just described above.

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Paragraph "(a)(1) Subject to paragraph (2), The Secretary shall require a veteran to pay the United States $8 for each 30-day supply of medication furnished such veteran under this chapter on an outpatient treatment of a non-service connected disability or condition. If the amount supplied is less than a 30-day supply, the amount of the charge may not be reduced." If the 'standard', mentioned first by the BVA describing, "The appellant contends that the standard copayment is excessive.." and according to paragraph 1, is $8 for 30-day supplies of 30,60, or 90 pills, why are veterans charged $16 for a 2 month supply of 30 pills?

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"In addition, the Board notes that the references to the cost of medication contained in 38 USC 1722a clearly pertains to VA's cost in dispensing the medication, not the cost to the appellant." That statement is incorrect. Copayment For Medication, 1722a, (listed above) clearly, makes no mention the VA's cost of dispensing medication. It mentions only the veterans' copayment obligation. A reference is made to the VA cost in the Federal Register, however, the "cost in dispensing the medication" is not the argument. It is the cost in overcharges to the veteran.

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To you, and me it is quite simple. “The Secretary may not require a veteran to pay amount in excess of the cost to the Secretary for medication as described in paragraph (1).” If one supply can be a standard 60, or 90 pill 30 day supply with a copay of $8, how then can a 30 day supply, limited to only 15 pills, for medication administered during treatment lasting several months, at a copay of $8, each 30 day period be standard supply? "...As described in paragraph (1)". Therefore, an "excess of the cost" does indeed exist.

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If given to an eight grade grammar school class this arithmetic problem of the two supplies to find the excess of the cost, what would be their answer? They too, would find that an excess of the cost does exist, “..for medication as described in paragraph (1)” This is a bad sign. Indicating exactly how veterans with disabilities claims, going before the BVA, and Veterans' Law Judge, John E. Ormand, Jr., are adjudicated.

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“( The Secretary, pursuant to regulations which the Secretary shall prescribe may-...(1) increase the copayment amount in effect under subsection (a);..” "Pursuant to regulations" means according to the law as written. The BVA , has decided the Secretary (VA) can make law to fit, rather than prescribe the law, or regulations as written.

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Citing..Under 38 C.F.R. Sec. 17.110 Copayments for medications.

"(:( Copayments. (1) Unless exempted under paragraph © of this section, a veteran is obligated to pay VA a copayment for each 30-day or less supply of medication provided by the VA on an outpatient basis (other than medication administered during treatment)." If ‘administered during treatment’ meant hospitalization, that’s not what it says, or should have been worded. But it did not. It is not ambiguous in the context in which it is presented. Citing, ‘on an outpatient basis, other than medication administered during treatment’ The meaning is quite clear. A patient receiving 60, or 90 day outpatient supply is clearly a treatment of a condition, such as a heart condition, diabetes, etc.

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BVA mentions, “Thus, it is clear that the VA’s cost of filling the appellant’s 30-day prescription exceeds the $8 copayment under 38 C.F.R. Sec. 17.110.” Again the argument clearly is not the VA cost as noted in the Federal Register 12/6/2001. When determining the medication copay cost, VA factored in everything, except the cost of the medication. The BVA’s inadequacy, and mindset shown here, is for all to see.

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BVA denial in part, "...adherence in the face of overwhelming evidence in support of the result in a particular case: such adherence would result in unnecessarily imposing additional burdens on the VA with no benefit flowing to the claimant." Never mind the burden of overcharges, or the benefit flowing to well over 1.1 million veterans whose prescriptions call for pill splitting.

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It is clear, the BVA came up with this denial of overcharges claim due to national budget concerns due to the involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, and who knows were else. Veterans did not cause that. But men and women went to military service because of it. This is how they get rewarded by a grateful nation. There are many things in life we do not like, but ignoring a veterans' cause, or the law is not an option. Who lost? Having sat in the lobby of my VA hospital and observed those that passed by, it's not hard to see, there are many who could use any help they can get, as well those returning from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Walter Reed.

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The filing process for an appeal with the United States Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims has begun.

CVA Docket No.07-0864

[john999]

Jes

If you have other insurance that pays for drugs the VA will bill them for an NSC medication charge even if you are 100%. They often just bill you for everything and then you have to call them and ask for an audit and prove to them your drugs are for SC condition to escape all payment. If you are over 50% and have no other insurance then the VA pays it all.