Just Had C & P Exam

[slangpdx]

I had my exam for SC psych problems this week. I am feeling very apprehensive as the reviewer seemed to be very biased. They did not take many or any notes on all the things I was talking about to support my case, did not note that a civilian pscy I was referred to had been located and mailed a letter. When I referred to what appeared to be about seven pages of mental health visits in my records they said 'they didn't make many notes' - of course not, since these were two-striper technicians for the most part, and not modern doctors dictating reports.

Near the end of the exam I mentioned something about a friend that had nothing to do with my family history and they noted it apparently in relation to alcoholism in family, then got up and left the room to indicate that the meeting was over.

Can I get a copy of whatever report they write? I was told by my vet rep at the state office of vet affairs that we can review the exam and request another if it was not done properly.

[Commander Bob]

Hey again...

I just want to say to all who responded to this, that I humbly and respectfully appreciate your concerns. Anything said here is by no means reflected against any of you or your comments.

Here are some questions that come to mind...

#1) Why is the DVA dangling this C&P exam over our heads, using threatening and intimidating language with a

denial of benefits if we do not attend?

#2) If there are Outside MO's in our file, especially if it supports the Veterans argument, then why is it crucial

to attend a C&P?

I understand and respect Carlies knowledge and experience in the VA system. However, CHANGE must be made, so that the DVA is more of an Even Handed agency, as opposed to a Do this or else... agency.

Everybody has commented at some point and time about how crucial it is to attend one of these, yet the fighting to offshoot all the negative connotations in your file becomes burdensome. My file is littered with these connotations. We have and still are witnessing this ridiculous process today...and I am SICK of it!

We are all in agreement that the DVA is working against the Veteran in the Due Process of his/her claim(s). This is a Material Fact in my file.

Everytime I attended a Clown & Peon exam, it was NEVER in my favor. Yet outside MO's reflect differently.

This time I am demanding the right to see an Orthopedic doctor. The AJ @ the BVA specified this in his ORDER! The RO FAILED at complying.

We ALL have a right to see a doctor of our own choosing. I was DENIED the right to see an Ortho doctor, after my Primary Care Physician requested so via departmental email.

As you can see, I already have a CASE.

The last scumbag that examined me, questioned on HOW & WHY I was awarded a S/C to begin with?!

One pin was penetrating into the Acetabular, and was scratching the socket. It was considered as only 10%. I also couldn't sit in a figure 4, and I obviously had atrophy. Another Veteran (I don't recall the case law)received 60% for the same conditions.

During the exam, I was totally polite with her, cooperative and even asked questions. It appeared that I was viewed favorably. The testing showed that I have problems.

This is clearly going to be an argument of mine in a Federal court, and I WILL AMEND CASE LAW to show that a bias clearly exists starting in the C&P aspect, with the imbeciles that are hired as doctors, but do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

In MY opinion, this IS the primary problem with the DVA...the lack of quality doctors. These half wits render unfair opinions most of the time, based on what the other half wit said a few years back. This causes all of us subjected to this crap, to have to appeal...and WE ALL know how that goes!!!

Another issue that is getting under my skin, is the fact that I have been under-rated since 1976! I wasn't aware of this until I worked at the VA. I made constant mention of this fact, and it appears that THIS issue is being ignored!? This would make my TDIU claim breeze through!

These sonsabitches are really getting under my skin with their incompetence. No body seems to want to do their jobs. That's the bottom line. No one goes the "Extra Mile" in this defunct agency either. It IS truly broken and it's stupid rules such as this, to FORCE me to have my case denied even before the exam.

I'm viewed as not disabled if I can walk into the office...

I am probably viewed as partially if I am in a wheelchair... but,

if my arms and legs are missing, then maybe I'm considered as disabled...that's VA logic.

So, you see, this is the reason why I will not attend a C&P exam, unless there is a doctor that has the knowledge to render the PROPER exam, and render the PROPER diagnosis. I will NOT accept any less. I don't give a DAMN about their stupid carrot dangling rules. Furthermore, the AJ did specifically state that I was to be scheduled for an Orthopedic exam. It is a FACT that my clinic possess NO orthopedic doctor. This to is an argument in Court.

My blog explains the same crap. If need be, I WILL get their attention by writing Pres. Obama, until the White House gets sick and tired of hearing from me.

As you all have noticed, I am in no way intimidated by this agency, and I will not stand for their archaic ruling.

I will act, I will tell the truth, and I will prevail in my quest.

Thank You again for your concerns, but I am going to kick this agency in the balls so hard, that they will bleed!

At my age, and after fighting these jerkoffs for almost forty years, I am not taking this anymore.

Take Care and Thank You all for responding!!!

Sincerely,

Bruce M.

I agree with you, Bruce, however, We must play by the house rules!!! Don't be a "No Show" at the C&P exam. You will only wind up kicking yourself in the balls.

I would also encourage you to write the President's office and the Veterans committees in the House and Senate, and urge them to change the rules.

Edited April 30, 2010 by Commander Bob

[john999]

Hollywood

I agree with everything you say except you must attend the C&P exam. If the exam is bogus then you get your own doctors to refute it. If you skip the exam the VA will deny your claim. That is a given.

[JRW]

As you all have noticed, I am in no way intimidated by this agency, and I will not stand for their archaic ruling.

I will act, I will tell the truth, and I will prevail in my quest.

Thank You again for your concerns, but I am going to kick this agency in the balls so hard, that they will bleed!

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The VA is bureaucratic organization with lots and lots of rules. To play with the VA, in order to obtain your rightful benefits, you have to play by their rules. Telling the truth about the VA as you put it, will serve no purpose. No, it will have no effect coming from one person. There has to be a consensus from the masses and the power brokers that the system is broken. After this, there then has to be the will to fix it. This will take time and money. Don't really think the masses and the powerbrokers are going to spend the time and money to fix something this gigantic. Oh, to be sure, there will be speeches and such to give you the impression that things will be better. There may even be a band-aid or two to cover the most glaring sores. But you need to understand that it isn't going to happen. The VA is the second largest government department, after the Department of Defense. Not even the President devoting his entire time in office, would be able to change the VA to what we think it should be, even if he wanted to. I wish I were wrong, but it is what it is.

So, what do we veterans do? Do we roll over and die? Not hardly. We survive. We don't give in. We continue to fight. We learn the rules of the game and turn those rules against those that we believe are not playing by their own rules. If we get knocked down (and it seems a lot of veterans do), we dust ourselves off and get back up and resume the fight. Now, this doesn't sound too glamorous. But it is what it is.

To suggest otherwise, is only kidding ourselves.

Just my 2-cents worth.

[cowgirl]

I wish a fair outcome for your efforts! In the many, many years I've dealt with the VA medical compensation, imho its the employees who make or break the system. I have been to exams where I thought it a sure thing - only to be denied by wordsmithing. But I never gave up, struggled but not very heroically, and have laughed at myself for my studpidity and ignorance after getting help here at Hadit. Encouraged, continued the fight and got whats due. Have been to exam(s) where thought there was no chance in the world, only to be given a correct rating that changed my life and that of my family. And I continue to get health care at the VA, so far so good.

Side note, with social'behavorial professionals, my opinion most are in the business they can relate to. <]:0

Another side note, the 'call center' is a nice diversion I've used but now prefer the IRIS inquiry email system for my own file copy. Once gave feedback on a exam during a call, clerk notes were listed in claim decision!

What was your exam for? Did you get and review a copy of the exam worksheet? Sure helped me. As you can see by the discussion responses here - Medical opinions are key to success, and very important an outside medical opinion can really work in your favor. Funny, odd, but VA contracted compensation exams can be in your favor too

Best to ya,

Cowgirl

I had my exam for SC psych problems this week. I am feeling very apprehensive as the reviewer seemed to be very biased. They did not take many or any notes on all the things I was talking about to support my case, did not note that a civilian pscy I was referred to had been located and mailed a letter. When I referred to what appeared to be about seven pages of mental health visits in my records they said 'they didn't make many notes' - of course not, since these were two-striper technicians for the most part, and not modern doctors dictating reports.

Near the end of the exam I mentioned something about a friend that had nothing to do with my family history and they noted it apparently in relation to alcoholism in family, then got up and left the room to indicate that the meeting was over.

Can I get a copy of whatever report they write? I was told by my vet rep at the state office of vet affairs that we can review the exam and request another if it was not done properly.

[john999]

One hint: Don't mention alcoholism or drug addiction at a c&p exam. Don't mention police records, fights, problems with authority, school problems or family problems. These are all things the VA uses to label you as a PD.

[hollywoodnc]

Hello again my fellow Veterans!

A new issue has come to my attention...

Do you remember on this topic where I mentioned a representative by the name of Scott at the West Virginia AMC office was professional, personal, etc.? Here, I've Cut and Pasted it immediately below...

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A few days later, a young man (Scott from W.Virgina AMC) called me and asked why I refused the C&P? He was Polite, Courteous, Professional, and most importantly Personal, when I described my reasons. He related with me, being that he has similar Ortho problems. We sat and conversed for about :20 minutes or so about our ailments. We were also in agreement with each other, which shows that there ARE people there with your particular ailment that can and will relate to you.

Anyway...

He told me that he would inquire about this, and see if he could set an appointment with an Ortho dr. in Salisbury VA Hosp. A week or so later, I called back, and asked Scott if he was successful in locating a VA dr...he said NO!

I told him that I was willing to cooperate with the DVA, BUT, ONLY IF they can schedule me to see an Ortho dr.

I also told him, that in the REAL WORLD, people with a sore throat, do not see a Gynecologist, so why should I see someone w/o Ortho specialization?

He said point well taken, and he agreed, that I have a legitimate beef/argument. Therefore, the record stands, that there isn't a qualified specialist capable enough to render an Bona Fide opinion, regarding my ailments, AND that my refusing to attend a Clown & Peon exam were for good reasons!

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He appears personal right?...He's a F*cking PRICK! Here's why...

Yesterday, 4/29, I called the 800 number, to inquire on Scotts response the other day, regarding no ortho doctors in my area, because I had found an Orthopedic doctor, who conducts occasional C&P exams, and he's not far at all.

Just out of the blue, I asked the telephone rep to read me what Scott had written...The lady responded with:

"Veteran refused C&P because he wanted to see an Ortho doctor."

OK...on the surface this is somewhat what I expected. In continuing...

"When I (Scott) inquired with the Local Clinic, they responded that their doctors are well qualified in this field."

I went OFF!!!

As you can clearly see above, this Jagoff had told me that there are no Orthopedic doctors that can examine me in the area. BULLSH*T! In my clinic, there are no ortho drs. In Salisbury there is an Ortho clinic, and this dr conducts 'Occasional' C&P exams!

Yesterday, and Today, I called this assinine agency, and told the people that I wanted to speak with Scott. They supposedly sent an email for him to call...NO CALLS!

The bastard lied, and instead of doing as I asked, that is to show that I was willing to cooperate only if a doctor with Ortho experience was to conduct the exam.

A letter to the President was constructed yesterday. In it I explain the crap that I've been through in the past 35+ years with this agency, and included the most recent event, name included.

I even included a lot of links to Veterans forums (such as this) so that these nincompoops can see the crap that ALL of us go through.

Granted, the Pres. himself will not read this. However Sec. Shinseki might! That's what I want.

Ahhh...but I DO have a trick up my sleeve!!!

CARLIE, I will take your advice, and attend a Clown & Peon exam! I, and only I will determine the doctor...in this case the Ortho Doc in Salisbury! I can call the DVA and have my file sent to the Ortho clinic in Salisbury. It will delay the claim, being that it is in the Final Stage of rating, but better to play their f*cking game, but I determine with WHO! hahahaha (jerkoffs).

Do all of you see the big picture in this?

The bastard Scott DID NOT inquire on anything, and outright LIED when he told me that there were no Ortho doctors; when there was, in Salisbury, NC.

He also promised, related with me and AGREED that it made perfect sense to see a Dr. w/Ortho experience, because HE has Ortho problems to.

Even though I vowed to cooperate, this PRICK stated different.

He LIED when he stated that there are qualified C&P examiners at the clinic. I called TWICE, and there are NO Ortho doctors there. The dueshbags at my clinic couldn't diagnose a HANGNAIL!

So, come Monday, the wheels turn, and I set forth in motion to see a qualified Sports Medicine Ortho Doc, who was previously in private practice.

I think you all are realizing how I think, when I NOW question...

If this doctor was in private practice, WHY is he working for the VA for substantially less?

Did he perform Malpractice?

Were his insurance premiums to high?

Was he ever sued?

Did he have lousy bedside manner?

Did the AMA receive a lot of complaints?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... :D