Nvvls

[Stretch]

NATIONAL VIETNAM VETERANS LONGITUDINAL STUDY

Status Report and Update August 18, 2008

http://www.vvachapter1004.org/whitepapernvvls.pdf

Edited May 7, 2010 by Stretch

[john999]

We are statistical lab rats. That is what the AO Registry is all about. "The Army Waiting to Die"....a book. When I deal with my VA PCP she knows nothing about AO. My pain doctor knows nothing about AO. Nobody at the VA treatment side knows anything about AO. It is written on my records "exposed to AO....Yes". This is just ignored.

[Commander Bob]

We are statistical lab rats. That is what the AO Registry is all about. "The Army Waiting to Die"....a book. When I deal with my VA PCP she knows nothing about AO. My pain doctor knows nothing about AO. Nobody at the VA treatment side knows anything about AO. It is written on my records "exposed to AO....Yes". This is just ignored.

I have always thought that too. Thanks for the post, John9999, and thanks for the topic thread, Stretch. Just another box to check when the clerk shuffles my paperwork. What's the bigger picture??? A footnote in history???

Edited May 7, 2010 by Commander Bob

[john999]

Bob

Guys like you who gave a leg in support of the governmen't policy of war in Vietnam should be more than a footnote in history. If you really examine the presumptive list for AO most of us surviving Nam vets will die from an AO disease. Most Americans die from either cancer or heart problems. I read every day in the obits of at least two or three Nam vets 60-65 years old who have died. Is this normal death rate? If I see a male who is in our age group who has died I check to see if he is a RVN vet. How many RVN vets are actually still alive. I had four good friends in Nam. Two are dead and one is very ill. They were all healthy young men 40 years ago.

[Commander Bob]

Bob

Guys like you who gave a leg in support of the governmen't policy of war in Vietnam should be more than a footnote in history. If you really examine the presumptive list for AO most of us surviving Nam vets will die from an AO disease. Most Americans die from either cancer or heart problems. I read every day in the obits of at least two or three Nam vets 60-65 years old who have died. Is this normal death rate? If I see a male who is in our age group who has died I check to see if he is a RVN vet. How many RVN vets are actually still alive. I had four good friends in Nam. Two are dead and one is very ill. They were all healthy young men 40 years ago.

We have to beat the odds, John...

[Chuck75]

Actually, the VA has downplayed A.O. for years, any way it can. The AO registry is no where near accurate. When an AO exposed Veteran has Diabetes II, it's a very good indicator that there are also existing heart related and metabolic problems. The VA often chooses to ignore this, and VA physicians don't even follow the VA's own treatment guides. Why should they,after all the C&P section and RO's commonly do so.

If you point blank ask a competent doctor, VA or private practice, they can easily tell you what you are at risk for. The VA doctors have one set of reasons for not telling you, the private physicians may have another. The outlook is actually quite grim. I have heard it said that those with symptoms can expect to lose 10-13 years of life expectancy. (or more, depending on the severity.)

The whole thing is utterly ridiculous, Early knowledge of dioxin problems began just after the turn of the last century, about 1910, as I seem to remember.

We are statistical lab rats. That is what the AO Registry is all about. "The Army Waiting to Die"....a book. When I deal with my VA PCP she knows nothing about AO. My pain doctor knows nothing about AO. Nobody at the VA treatment side knows anything about AO. It is written on my records "exposed to AO....Yes". This is just ignored.

Edited May 7, 2010 by Chuck75

[Stretch]

If you watch the congressional hearing of this hearing (about 2 hrs.)

http://veterans.house.gov/hearings/hearing.aspx?newsid=571 (click on the little multimedia link in the light blue box).

you will see the frustration congress has with the VA, over these issues. Congressman Filner reams the VA over their none production of reports that were promised since 2001. Congressman Strens?, almost comes right out and calls the main doctor a liar, after catching the doctor on his own BS statements.

The results of the NVVLS report are due, again, by 2014.

Below is an excerpt from the VA's own NVVLS white-papers.

In September 2001, the VA contracted with the Research Triangle Institute (RTI) to

develop and initiate an effort now termed the National Vietnam Veterans Longitudinal

Study (NVVLS).