Records Existed

[john999]

Looking through my old personnel file I discovered that my psychiatric records of the last months of my service existed but my army shrink refusded to turn them over to a courts martial board saying he was still treating me and this might hurt our theraputic relationship. He did not mind signing the board's recommendation that I be tossed out after 29 months of active duty as a PD. You read these old records as an adult and not as a scared 20 year old and you see just how you got slam/dunked. I have asked for these records many times but I am sure they have been destroyed by now.

John

[Berta]

John, it is possible that these records could be subpeonaed.

I dont know for sure how that would work regarding any records still in the hands of the Military.

However the VA itself has subpeona powers.

Karl would know that.

I asked the VA , under their subpeona regs, to subpeona a VA doctor for my AO DMII claim many years ago.

They said they did not have any doctor with that name in the VA system.

They were right. Unknown to me at the time was that he had left VA for private practice and I found him myself, got a statement from him, and his statement was mentioned in the award as a corroborating IMO to the IMOs I already had.

Have you tried to find this Military shrink on the net via google?

As you know ,some of those court martials in those days were a bunch of bogus crap handled by ineffective counsel in an effort to reduce the military.

I read a Court Martial record years ago from an Army vet who fought it, had it overturned and got an HD.

I helped him a little with that but this was pre internet and took considerable time to even access the legal stuff.

The good part is that this vet took action right away to fight his UD.He also had a prior HD and that helped big time along with considerable other evidence.

In his Court Martial kangaroo court trial proceedings, he was denied basic rights that any military person should have and the lawyers for the Mil sounded like pompous legal wannabee a --holes.

They didnt even let his lawyer speak for him!!!

I was appalled to see that side of the military in action.Hopefully things have changed a lot since then.

[john999]

I do know that for the courts martial the army went back and "cleaned" my medical records of everything but dx'es of personality disorders. The made the dx of anxiety and depression go away. It has been 42 years so I want to see this doctor's records before the VA sees them. You know there is a mighty powerful motivation for these military psychiatrists to go along with the program or find themselves in Vietnam in those days. I know I was just one of thousands who got the shaft. There is just an institutional bias in the courts martials and these administrative discharges to get rid of the soldier as cheaply as possible. I was 20 years old and they were leaning on me with full weight of UCMJ. I signed all the papers that were put in front of me because my own lawyer told me I was looking at jail and a bad conduct discharge. It was a plea bargain with a person(myself) on anti-psychotic drugs at the time.

John

[carlie]

I do know that for the courts martial the army went back and "cleaned" my medical records of everything but dx'es of personality disorders. The made the dx of anxiety and depression go away. It has been 42 years so I want to see this doctor's records before the VA sees them. You know there is a mighty powerful motivation for these military psychiatrists to go along with the program or find themselves in Vietnam in those days. I know I was just one of thousands who got the shaft. There is just an institutional bias in the courts martials and these administrative discharges to get rid of the soldier as cheaply as possible. I was 20 years old and they were leaning on me with full weight of UCMJ. I signed all the papers that were put in front of me because my own lawyer told me I was looking at jail and a bad conduct discharge. It was a plea bargain with a person(myself) on anti-psychotic drugs at the time.

John

John,

Sounds like you were completely F'd from the get-go.

Thankfully - you have made it this far.