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Well - my tax dollars are hard at work keeping people busy.

I called the VA to report my husband's death - and they said that the payment for Feb (the month of his death) will have to be returned. I asked "isn't that payable to the spouse? THey said NO.

I was going by this:

TITLE 38--VETERANS' BENEFITS

PART IV--GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS

CHAPTER 53--SPECIAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO BENEFITS

Sec. 5310. Payment of benefits for month of death

(a) If, in accordance with the provisions of section 5110(d) of this

title, a surviving spouse is entitled to death benefits under chapter

11, 13, or 15 of this title for the month in which a veteran's death

occurs, the amount of such death benefits for that month shall be not

less than the amount of benefits the veteran would have received under

chapter 11 or 15 of this title for that month but for the death of the

veteran.

(:rolleyes:(1) If the surviving spouse of a veteran who was in receipt of

compensation or pension at the time of death is not entitled to death

benefits under chapter 11, 13, or 15 of this title for the month in

which the veteran's death occurs, that surviving spouse shall be

entitled to a benefit for that month in the amount of benefits the

veteran would have received under chapter 11 or 15 of this title for

that month but for the death of the veteran.

(2) If (notwithstanding section 5112(:rolleyes:(1) of this title) a check or

other payment is issued to, and in the name of, the deceased veteran as

a benefit payment under chapter 11 or 15 of this title for the month in

which death occurs, that check or other payment (A) shall be treated for

all purposes as being payable to the surviving spouse, and (:unsure: if that

check or other payment is negotiated or deposited, shall be considered

to be the benefit to which the surviving spouse is entitled under

paragraph (1). However, if such check or other payment is in an amount

less than the amount of the benefit under paragraph (1), the unpaid

amount shall be treated in the same manner as an accrued benefit under

section 5121 of this title.

I figured that meant I got to keep his $255 (and if I finally get his SC award -- then they will deduct the $255 they already paid.

Now they sent me a letter that said the money has to be repaid -- but that spouses may have certain benefits --and to call the number if I think I am entitled.

So I would call the SAME people that told me I wasn't entiteld to $255.

As my husband was retired - I also contact the Defense Accounting people to report his death. They did not mention that the deposit they made on Feb 1 (he died on Feb 5) would have to be repaid.

They sent me a claim form for unpaid benefits - and still didn't inform me that I would have to return what was already paid that month. In small print at the bottom of the form it says to return any uncashed checks -- like you would not cahs a check at the beginning of the month --but wait to make sure you live through the whole month before you spend it.

Now I am reading that you have to live the WHOLE month to earn the check for that month. You have to send the money back - and then they send a prorated check for the number of days you lived.

So in this case - I guess I have to send back his retirement payment for February -and they will send his daughter (his beneficiary of record) a check for FIVE days).

What gets me is that nobody told me!!! But it looks like as soon as I send them the death certificate - they will suck it out of our bank account.

I even went to the Defense Accounting site. It says as soon as you report the death --they will freeze the account to PREVENT overpayments. Well - unless you die on the last day of the month - it looks like you have already BEEN overpaid.

It just sure would be nice if THEY would TELL you that!!!! Instead of letting you think it is all straight and then running across the dirty details on other web sites.

Geez!!1

And it is not just the military.

I tried to apply for Social security for my sin (adult disabled child). They wouldn't let him apply at first because they asked if he had worked --and he said yes - so they said he was not disabled.

I informed them that he worked for 6 weeks out of 27 years - and that he was declared disbaled by SSI in 1993. So then they decided to let him apply -- but then they sent him a disability report.

I called and asked -- do we have to fill this out - You have already FOUND him disabled 13 years ago. The question is whether he can be considered a dependent on my husband's record (as a step-child, adopted child, or equitbaly adopted child -- my husband was in the process of adopting him --and the adoption will still probably go through.)

They said since this was a different program (SSD - not SSI) they would have to have all the paperwork to decide if he was disabled --though the standards are the same for both programs -- and though it was THEIR doctors that found him disbaled --and have continued to do so.

So I spent a couple of hours filling out all of their forms -- took them with me -- and the case worker said she didn't need to see the forms because he had already been declared disbaled.

ACK!!!!!

Now they are telling me I can't apply for Mother's benefits -- because you can only get those if the child is PHYSICALLY disabled and you provide physical care (though their regualtions CLEARLY state you can claim if your child is mentally disabled and you provide guidance and supervision. - You can not claim if the child is physically disbaled and you don't have to provide care --if they are over 18. But you CAN claimif they are mentally disabled)

ACK!

I can't even appeal the decisions they are making because they aren't actual denials -- they have to let me submit a claim before I can appeal!!!

ACK!

Way too much to deal with...

But it sure would help if the government workers KNEW what their own regulations were - instead of just spouting off whatever they THINK they might be.

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Free Spirit- in Spring 2005 the VA published an Erratum as to the way they were going to handle the last VA comp check of the veteran:

http://72.14.209.104/custom?q=cache:cnQ6sU...381742111066612

Lots of mumbo jumbo- I havent read it yet-but it was a change to the old regs-

they whipped Rods last VA comp out of our bank account so fast he wasnt even cold yet-

I got it back -I think- you know I am not really sure -will have to check that-

But I am curious- the $255 check-was that the SSA death benefit?

I am sure than a dependent spouse is entitled to the comp for the last month the vet lived-meaning you could not keep March comp but you should be able to keep Feb comp-unlike the old regs I fell under-

SO TRUE:

"But it sure would help if the government workers KNEW what their own regulations were - instead of just spouting off whatever they THINK they might be."

You are SO right- that goes for VA , even SSA sometimes, and for chartered vet orgs too-

they dont know an answer so they make one up-

Free-spirit I will try to see if I can find more info on the last check he had.

Being a widow for me -meant finding people who couldnt give me s straight answer too-

My SSA went OK-only because my daughter was under 16 when Rod died.

They changed my check right over the phone to the newer benefit due to his death.

Now I am thinking I never did get any VA due Rod for the month of his death.

I hope this doesnt sound sexist or politically incorrect but I noticed that vet reps deal with widows sometimes in a very unusual way- they act like the regs arent really for us when , in fact, they are-

the guy at the DAV gave me bad advise right from the gitgo and told me I had no basis for my 2 claims when Rod died.

He found out when I deposed him for a suit I filed against him- how wrong he really was-

I think this guy saw women as potentially victims for his own Vietnam demons-(he was 30% PTSD)

he treated me like dirt until the deposition.

Then he changed.

Men -please do not take offense at all this- it is just that

widows for some reason appear vulnerable to people who might try to take advantage.that includes men AND women too-I always hope that widows here and God forbid the widows your deaths will create (please dont die) will not the same treatment I did until people saw I could not be intimidated or victimized.

GRADUATE ! Nov 2nd 2007 American Military University !

When thousands of Americans faced annihilation in the 1800s Chief

Osceola's response to his people, the Seminoles, was

simply "They(the US Army)have guns, but so do we."

Sameo to us -They (VA) have 38 CFR ,38 USC, and M21-1- but so do we.

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GREAT info!! Again -- I wonder why they said I would have to give it back so that they could send me a letter that told me if I think I should get it I should call the 800 number.

Well - of course people don't call the 800 because they 800 number already TOLD them they couldn't have it.

And -oops -- it was $225 --20% disabled.

Interesting to note though -- If you send in a DIC claim form with your request for the last month of pay -- then they HOLD the last month of pay -- until they decide the DIC -- So since I have already waited this long I might as wel wait another week or two before I file DIC -- so they will let me keep the $225 that I need NOW!

But it also says that the payment for the final month is taken OFF the DIC payment you finally get --UNLESS you wait a year to file DIC.

I sure won't wait that long -since I have to start over with his case anyway (time waiting-wise that is). I am sure it is much simpler for those who got service connection granted before their death. I guess if you file when you are 20 and live a long life those things are possible. :rolleyes:

Yep. The "woman thing" . I get really aggravated by people treating me like I am an idiot.

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Free Spirit- in Spring 2005 the VA published an Erratum as to the way they were going to handle the last VA comp check of the veteran:

http://72.14.209.104/custom?q=cache:cnQ6sU...381742111066612

Lots of mumbo jumbo- I havent read it yet-but it was a change to the old regs-

they whipped Rods last VA comp out of our bank account so fast he wasnt even cold yet-

I got it back -I think- you know I am not really sure -will have to check that-

But I am curious- the $255 check-was that the SSA death benefit?

I am sure than a dependent spouse is entitled to the comp for the last month the vet lived-meaning you could not keep March comp but you should be able to keep Feb comp-unlike the old regs I fell under-

SO TRUE:

"But it sure would help if the government workers KNEW what their own regulations were - instead of just spouting off whatever they THINK they might be."

You are SO right- that goes for VA , even SSA sometimes, and for chartered vet orgs too-

they dont know an answer so they make one up-

Free-spirit I will try to see if I can find more info on the last check he had.

Being a widow for me -meant finding people who couldnt give me s straight answer too-

My SSA went OK-only because my daughter was under 16 when Rod died.

They changed my check right over the phone to the newer benefit due to his death.

Now I am thinking I never did get any VA due Rod for the month of his death.

I hope this doesnt sound sexist or politically incorrect but I noticed that vet reps deal with widows sometimes in a very unusual way- they act like the regs arent really for us when , in fact, they are-

the guy at the DAV gave me bad advise right from the gitgo and told me I had no basis for my 2 claims when Rod died.

He found out when I deposed him for a suit I filed against him- how wrong he really was-

I think this guy saw women as potentially victims for his own Vietnam demons-(he was 30% PTSD)

he treated me like dirt until the deposition.

Then he changed.

Men -please do not take offense at all this- it is just that

widows for some reason appear vulnerable to people who might try to take advantage.that includes men AND women too-I always hope that widows here and God forbid the widows your deaths will create (please dont die) will not the same treatment I did until people saw I could not be intimidated or victimized.

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Your last statement- YEAH!!!!!!!! All of a sudden some people thought I had literally turned into an idiot the day Rod died and tried to give me advise on EVERYTHING-sell your farm, dont sell your farm, see my financial accountant,what a shame -you just got 2 new recliners and now that Rod died you only need one- can I have it, and oh yeah-the mailman said you get insurance company mail-Rod must have had life insurance so can I borrow 500 bucks-

I'm not kidding at all- the vultures are out there-

I get the same take as you do too Free-reading this over- if you ask for this check now before the DIC is awarded -they will send it- otherwise they will wait and add it to the DIC award.DIC took me over 3 years to get- better to ask for this money now.

GRADUATE ! Nov 2nd 2007 American Military University !

When thousands of Americans faced annihilation in the 1800s Chief

Osceola's response to his people, the Seminoles, was

simply "They(the US Army)have guns, but so do we."

Sameo to us -They (VA) have 38 CFR ,38 USC, and M21-1- but so do we.

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I pray that the VA will wake up and treat Veterans and their survivors better.

Veterans deserve real choice for their health care.

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Free,

I am so sorry for your loss. but I agree with you on the idiot thing. That is why I just took that GAF of 40 from the VA and see if it benfits me down the road.

To me, women veterans are treated the same way. I do appreciate the respect that I receive on this site. I realize that I am not as knowledgeable of the VA regulations as most, but I am trying.

Always,

Josephine

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Oh Berta -- how much I know about being treated like an idiot. I have been trying to make a decision on what to do with my husband's truck (owes more than it could be sold for -- bought it last July) And the credit life probably won't pay off even though he told the salesman he had lung cancer -- the salesman sold it to him.

But all you can get in the world out there is 800 numbers staffed by people who can't answer your questions right! Like the truck financing place --the guy says "I never handled a death case before." Geez... They can't tell you if you surrender the vehicle --what fees would be involved -- how much they would probably sell it for -- etc.

I fell like screaming "HELLO! I Just want to have the details so that I can make an INFORMED decision here!!!"

But even the dealership finance manager was just acing like --Oh well -- he's dead --it is not YOUR worry. What are they going to do - sue him??"

I think - well YES! They come against the ESTATE --which affects ME!!!

And I even showed the finance guy where he overcharged my husband. I just couldn't get the numbers to add up -- so I figured it out. The MSRP was $25, thousand and something -- but the little add on sticker was $26 thousand and something (a $1288 difference) because the added on sticker included the auto butler stuff.

My husband didn't want the auto butler -- so they didn't give it to him -- but did NOT take the $1288 off the price of the truck --they still charged him for it -- charged sales tax on it -- and charged finance fees on it.

Now isn't this kind of against the Truth in Lending Act??

But what does the finance guy say??

He didn't give him auto Butler because he didn't WANT it.

I say: Yes - but you still CHARGED him for it!!

He says: Well - I DISCLOSED to him that he wasn't getting it.

Well - dang -- most people would assume that ALSO meant you wouldn't have to pay for it.

But -- you just try to find out what you need to know to make intelligent decisions -- and they are treating you like some crazy broad that is just worried about MINOR details.

They think I should just turn the truck in - forget about the $1288 and the fact that they sold my husband credit life KNOWING he had cancer (and collected their commission) --and not worry my little head over them coming against the estate for the difference between what they sell the truck for and what he owes on it!

ACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!

Free

Your last statement- YEAH!!!!!!!! All of a sudden some people thought I had literally turned into an idiot the day Rod died and tried to give me advise on EVERYTHING-sell your farm, dont sell your farm, see my financial accountant,what a shame -you just got 2 new recliners and now that Rod died you only need one- can I have it, and oh yeah-the mailman said you get insurance company mail-Rod must have had life insurance so can I borrow 500 bucks-

I'm not kidding at all- the vultures are out there-

I get the same take as you do too Free-reading this over- if you ask for this check now before the DIC is awarded -they will send it- otherwise they will wait and add it to the DIC award.DIC took me over 3 years to get- better to ask for this money now.

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