New Agent Orange Information Fort Dietrich Maryland

[Capt.]

Hello All,

Thru a post from member Ronin2033 on information on Fort Detrick , he has a great link to more DOD , US Army and other agencies. There are a number of other important sites that are listed and much research for those interested in obtaining more specific reports to help in their claims process.

Thank you Ronin and hope you can post any other AO documents finds. Remember that this is now ARCHIVED here at HADIT.COM ,,,,,,which boast the largest Veteran library of archived material to use for the veteran.

I still have not found any Beaumont News articles from the period you asked in another post but am still trying to find it.

Thanks again for your help for our Veterans . NEVER GIVE UP . God Bless, C.C.

http://www.detrick.army.mil/responsible/ArchivalReport2012.pdf

[john999]

When you think that only 30%-40% of RVN vets have ever had AO exam it is sad since many will die from AO diseases. I think of their spouses who could have DIC if the Nam vet dies from IHD,CAD,prostate cancer, lung cancer, DMII complications etc. 850000 "boots on the ground" Nam vets left alive and all will probably die from AO exposure. I preach to every Nam vet I meet to get checked out for AO disease presumptives. The US government has put a death sentence on the head of everyone who served in Vietnam and probably surrounding areas at sea or on land. Kill millions of American servicemen and women and even more millions of South Vietnamese farmers. We were supposed to be saving them, but we had to kill them to save them. Better dead than red.

John

[Chuck75]

When you think that only 30%-40% of RVN vets have ever had AO exam it is sad since many will die from AO diseases. I think of their spouses who could have DIC if the Nam vet dies from IHD,CAD,prostate cancer, lung cancer, DMII complications etc. 850000 "boots on the ground" Nam vets left alive and all will probably die from AO exposure. I preach to every Nam vet I meet to get checked out for AO disease presumptives. The US government has put a death sentence on the head of everyone who served in Vietnam and probably surrounding areas at sea or on land. Kill millions of American servicemen and women and even more millions of South Vietnamese farmers. We were supposed to be saving them, but we had to kill them to save them. Better dead than red.

John

It's that high?

From my own experience, the VA often said that the "A/O exam" was no different than the usual VA entrance exam given many veterans when they applied for such things as drug act benefits. I actually was awarded a claim for DMII, based upon A/O presumption, and the VA failed repeatedly to add me (and others) to the A/O "list". At one point, the "local" VAMC had a "person" with a fancy title, that was assigned to be the specialist for such matters, unbeknownst to the person. I had to go to the class action lawyers, and get them to ask the VA why I and thousands of others were not on the list furnished by court order to the Nehmer lawyers. Everyone had hoped that the issue would contribute to a contempt of court citation, but that hasn't happened to date.

[john999]

You have to consider all the career military who were in Vietnam at one time or other. They many have been in the 30's or even 40's when they served. I think most of the 19 year olds are probably still alive, but I wonder when I read obits in my town. The 850,000 number is for "boots on the ground" Nam vets that I have heard often. I could be wrong and would not be unhappy if someone proves me wrong. The AO exam I got was pretty good. The doctor acted almost like an advocate. He wrote down three conditions he said were probably related to exposure to AO: DMII, PN and chronic pain from nerve damage. I still have the note he sent me If I can find it. I got it done in 2001 I think just for the hell of it.

John

[daklander]

You have to consider all the career military who were in Vietnam at one time or other. They many have been in the 30's or even 40's when they served. I think most of the 19 year olds are probably still alive, but I wonder when I read obits in my town. The 850,000 number is for "boots on the ground" Nam vets that I have heard often. I could be wrong and would not be unhappy if someone proves me wrong. The AO exam I got was pretty good. The doctor acted almost like an advocate. He wrote down three conditions he said were probably related to exposure to AO: DMII, PN and chronic pain from nerve damage. I still have the note he sent me If I can find it. I got it done in 2001 I think just for the hell of it.

John

The 850,000 number was the original number the DVA originally used for the number of Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans to inflate the cost of a restoration of presumption and benefits due to Agent Orange exposure. They used the 850,000 number with 100% still alive, 100% submitting claims, 100% approved at a 100% rating and a 1st year cost of about $28 Billion and a 10 year cost of about $203 Trillion. The number was later dropped to 512,000 which was still too high. Last session the two restoration acts used the number of 253,000 and while still too high is an acceptable number as long as the VA accounts for the number of Veterans who became presumed due to being on a Blue Water Vessel that traveled into brown water and the death rate. Using that number of 253,000 and using the standard percentages of claimants, approvals and ratings as well as the death rate and those who are deemed exposed due to brown water service, the 1st year cost, including any Nehmer claims is under $2.75 Billion with a 10 year cost of about $940 Billion.

Here are the numbers from the DoD

TOTAL ARMY AIR FORCE MARINES NAVY

NUMBER SERVING SOUTHEAST ASIA** 3,403,000 2,276,000 385,000 513,000 229,000

NUMBER SERVING SOUTH VIETNAM** 2,594,000 1,736,000 293,000 391,000 174,000

[Berta]

Chuck said:

"the VA often said that the "A/O exam" was no different than the usual VA entrance exam given many veterans"

I knew our deceased inhouse veteran's lawyer, Alex Humphrey, who was at hadit for many years ,from the Prodigy vets BBS. I am talking late 1980s? 1990s...

I said there and here that the socalled AO registry exam was a farce. Alex always agreed with me.........

Vets who had been in the AO settlement fund ( my husband was and then I was as his widow, had rove of exposure from the Judge ...regardless of the disability tey had, yet had to be considered 100% disabled by it.

The AO settlement fund did not even consider any VA AO registry exam as evidence . Because it was a crock.

[FormerMember]

I called up and was scheduled for mine on Sept. 23, 1993 since I had PCT. When I arrived, I got the deer in the headlights look from the nurse in charge. They swore up and down that there was no way I had an appt. that day. They did the labs and promised me a sit down face to face with a real MD "soon". Still waiting lo these 20 years for the callback. In the meantime I filed and got my 40%.