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I was noticing some past discussions on Emergency situations for Veterans that have to use a Non VA facility. I also believe that sometimes we Veterans forget this and for the benefits of those new members maybe it needs to be brought up again. At anytime , pretty much anywhere , when an emergency arises the VA will approve the care of Non VA heathcare or hospitals until the Veteran can be transfered to the closet VA facility. I would also like to point out that most of my visits for heart , lung or colon are now sent outside VA to private physicians which usually requires the fee basis paperwork. I have not had any problems with this and it has worked fairly well. I would also like to point out that some of our members have had some problems with emergency medical personnel or ambulances to those non VA hospitals and VA for some reason has had a history of not wanting to pay for this part of the Non VA emergency treatment. The link below is from the VA website on this subject. Hopefully we will have some others put forth their input. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C. HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY TO ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS www.nonvacare.va.gov

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Hello Sapper...... Did you get your C and P from QTC or did you get one from a VA clinic or hospital or even a fee basis Dr? Ethans Grandma...... If you can get the VA to get you a C and P from the VAMC like you did , then you can get a copy of the records. However if you have to go to QTC it will be a long drawn out battle to get a copy. Like mine has been with the QTC even though I was awarded on it. I still have not got a copy of the findings/report since Dec. 2012. Waiting on them to send my copy of the report should be a red flag to all Veterans , to NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Hello Cooter, I too had a QTC C and P exam that was favorable to help in the awarding of my claim way back in Feb of 2012. I still have not got a copy of it . They say they are working on it but have not received my copy of it. .. I too am going to have to hunker down and wait for the report then go forward with any new evidence .However ths can pose problem if you are facing a deadline ,,,,,,,especially if you are trying to counter a bad C and P with an IMO . Maybe the VA does this on purpose knowing it. At any rate I would hang in there and request a copy of it or go see the RO and personally have them get it from the file so you can make the next correct move in your claim. If the C and P was not QTC and it was done thru a VA medical center or clinic or a fee basis then you can get a copy of it with a week or 10 days. BUTTTTTT ,,,,Butttttt QTC C and Ps are property of the VA Regional Office and it really urks me that we have a double standard especially when the medical records from any exam are kept away from the Veteran. Stop and think about it though.......if you try and get a proper IMO to counterpunch the QTC C and P then you have definite time lines that can cause you to miss it. Dealing with this must develope some patience And then and then..... and NEVER GIVE UP , God Bless, C.C. sorry about all the lines but I am at a hotel computer and cant make this thing hadit friendly.......oh weellll sorry anyway...hopefully you will get my point.

Hello Sox, Carlie , Pete, Tbird, Justrluck, I too also benefited from a DRO and got some of the awards from my claim thru a DRO review. Having members on the board comment about the subject matter of the NOD as Carlie pointed out gives a chance to hear firsthand from those that have been there and done that. It is sometimes the least most understood position that the DRO/VA took in awarding or failing to grant an award that can be so helpful with the Veteran. As in my case it was not the norm for the DRO to award parts of the claim and some other parts of the claim were denied , ready now for the appeal with the Form 9 being submitted and more evidence to submit. (1) one year timeline. I think we need to see more specifics to be able to comment as Carlie pointed out. I believe that several years ago here at Hadit there was a number of folks that just flat did not want a DRO hearing of anykind. The attitude of those few was ........lets just get it out of Regional and move on the BVA not delaying it anymore since it will probably just be a waste of time. However , for whatever reasons, the Veterans are seeing actually more awards coming from DROs than used to be. The good news here is it involved a rather short journey compared to the BVA / Appeal/Form 9 route. Usually a longer time frame and yes it is more thorough but sometimes missing an award that could have been granted at the DRO level. Even if the lesser percentage schedulars are sought and only the smaller ones were looked at , the whole pie was still cut up into eatable pieces because of a FAVORABLE decision by the DRO. That may have been a different decision at the BVA and we sometimes cannot look and say I wonder what would have happened if I had not sought the DRO route part of the processs. I too am like Carlie....... That small piece of pie is nothing compared to the bigger issues that bring forth larger award percentages and those sometimes are overlooked unless the VETERAN has posted some material or evidence that could trigger the larger schedular award. Such as the mistake the DRO made by overlooking a 100% P and T for Pulmonary Hypertension that was missed by the DRO.SO that one got another NOD to the DRO giving them one more chance to get it right before the BVA. On this one it should be spotted and corrected by the VA/DRO. Hopefully it will. This is why so many eyes are better than one. This problem was spotted by our own Jbasser and his keen eye for the M21s and the missed award. So it is good to let our membership take a look at it and see how to make it work. Sox, you just never know when something could pop up and a cookie is awarded. escpecially if you were not expecting it. Anyway , I hope we can see some of the issues and facts and maybe our members will get some various things put out to consider. No matter what decision the Veteran makes , whether DRO or on the BVA , one must dig in and NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless and CONGRATS sofar, C.C.

Hello ghillbe, I almost forgot......though I have a very good lawyer who has helped me get this stuff thru..... the VETERAN has to be able to do the legwork and get the EVIDENCE to them so they can prepare it for the VA. Having a lawyer by no means is absolutely assured of a claims in favor of the Veteran , but without one sometimes can mean you MAY loose. The Veteran is the one who is ultimately responsible for his or her claim. Learning the CFRs and the M21s with some knowledge of searching BVA decisions will aid in your lawyer or VSO in preparing the plan. I would remember that the Veteran knows his case better than anyone else and being able to gather , research and get it your POA Rep is the only way the Veteran can be reasonably assured of keeping the claim on track. If your claim is complicated then the VA will try and stall it more because it is a "dog" and they hate having a "dog". That means just put it off and rubber stamp it if possible. So then the appeals and Lawyers may be the only route left. I just wanted to make sure that you understand a lawyer or rep is only as good as the Veteran who helps gather evidence and makes the IMOs happen. It is a team effort. Oh yes ,,,,Hadits team is proven and capable to handle almost any situation . This is a team effort no matter which route you try and take. Best of success to you and above all.....NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Hello ghillbe, I would take Carlie and Broncs advise. I agree wholeheartily. Do not withdraw anything at this point. Let your claims work thru the process that HAS to happen. Yes it is a long one. Yes you may be surprised by the answer from RO ,,,,,sometimes ....SOMETIMES they do get something partially right. Once you get the decision.....good or bad will be the time for the appeals process and then addressing each issue and considering whether you have ENOUGH Medical opinions to win your claim. MEDICAL OPINIONS and EVIDENCE WINS>>>>>>WINS>>>>>>> CLAIMS. NOTHING ELSE. Yes it may take going to the court system, but all of us here know that it is the medical opinions that will push a Veteran over the line of fairness to the GRANT position. Even my C and P exams though I do not have them yet ,,,,were somewhat favorable and helped the Regional Office to award some of the claims that were filed. WITHOUT THE COURT. Yes that is not normal , but it does happen ,,,as it did to me. Now if the RO does award ,,,,,almost always without exception , they DO NOT GET IT RIGHT, so you will probably have to. A. Appeal for a higher Rating or schedular. B. Appeal for a missed disease or lack of acknowledgement of one. C. Appeal for a missed secondary issue that is covered under the 38 CFR , M21s. D. Request a NOD on an issue that was not carried out or just plain missed. Sometimes this will shorten the wait by giving them one more chance to get it right. Otherwise its going to the Courts ,,,,BVA or CAVA E. Use of a good VA lawyer eventually. I also agree with Gulfvet....... You are probably going to have to get an IMO on any of it , including the secondary problems. You have to tip the scales ......Benefit of a Doubt rule.. 38 CFR 3.142. It is only necessary to have the Doctor link it to your claim with ALL the Records and Evidence he HAS to see. "As least as likely as not" is the wording that will get the job done. Even though there are stronger ones , which we have already discussed in older subject post....this is the one that will and has for most of us here at Hadit to get er done. Now you should try get your wits about you. The VA is methodically cold and slow, and very patient, full of mistakes and wrong decisions. It will take a plan , carefully wording of any more communications, strong evidence such as buddy statements. environmental reports(if required), and of course a strong IMO. (Independent Medical Opinion)...and if you are fortunate .....you can also get your VA doctors to help you to add to the IMO, if ....IF ...they will. I have 3 VA doctors who wrote Opinions and have helped me greatly . Not all of them will refuse. When you have IMOs that are strong and together with your VA doctors will usually make an unbeatable situation if you can just go thru the process they will force all of to manuever. If you get to the point that it seems like you are being bullied , or you are getting tired and cannot focus then a good VA lawyer is another route. Especially if your claim is complicated like mine is. Last but not least ...this battleplan is proven...it works as others here have done. I am one of the few Chemical exposure Soldiers who has WON part of my claim at a Regional Office(DRO) WITHOUT the use of the court. I have used this plan because it has worked for most of our Elders, Moderators , and other Veterans. This is what I was advised many years ago. PATIENCE , TIME, EVIDENCE and of course a positive attitude that will include my opinion, as in all post , to ................................ NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Hello Papa and All,,,,,, Papa,,, It took me nearly 5 yrs to the day to be awarded "part" of the claims process .Now I have an NOD for the lungs with a request for higher schedular due to Pulmonary Hypertension.... that may take 2-3 years and the AO Ishemic Heart Dissease and Peripheral Neuropathy and some secondarys could take another 4-5 yrs with the Board of Veterans Appeals. I agree with everyone else to try and just let time take its course and try not to get too depressed. I know what that is too. It is no fun going thru this....... I think I might like to take a sharp stick to my eye rather than go thru this stuff but if you and I and other Veterans do not go thru with it then it will hurt all Veterans down the road. The VA wants all of us to just quit or die so they can get us out of the system..... I know you are going to prevail and you will be glad of the toughness you chose to hang in there. If you need me to help you or just to talk I am only a keyboard or phone away....Nothing witn the VA is easy , but please.......please.....PLEASE......NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Hello John and Tbird, Midnight John , our Staples went out of business but I am sure that Office Depot will have it. That is a great idea and saves me from having to get a Jbasser special Paper cutter. Tbird, it is so exciting seeing our Veterans coming here and listening to their comments after the cards are giving out. Even though I tell people they always forget the name, but when they have the card it really rings home for them. You must be very pleased and it is so good to know that you had a dream,,,,,,,a VERY BIG DREAM......and it became this great place. Thanks for all you do for us. Midnight ,,,, I agree with you about being amazed at the number of Veterans helping each other. I cannot imagine what it would be like to not have that .....and to think where all of us would be...... and to know that every Veteran is welcome here ,,,,,,though the premier thought for the premier site is.....NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

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Hello Paul..... This is so GREAT. It is apparant that lawyers really do make a big difference. It levels the playing field for sure and gets the Veteran a fair chance with their evidence and claim. Take in the moment ...it is so sweet. You were diligent and you Prevailed. Proof that a Veteran must.....NEVER GIVE UP . God Bless, C.C.

Hello All, I have been giving out the Hadit Business cards that are printable from this site. It is one of the most powerful tools we can use. Lets face it the Veterans Service Organizations are not cutting it. With most of us , including myself thouroghly discusted with the way the Veterans Claims are messed up from these groups. Not picking on all as there are some good VSOs but they cannot keep up and the information is normally incorrect. Sooooooooooo most of us who did find out about Hadit , found out early there was nothing like it and our claims all of a sudden started to get thru and with a alot of awards. This is due to the amount of information , knowledge and experience that our great membership has supplied and the wonderful archives here. I have been buying the cardboard paper at Office Depot and printing the cards myself. Ok ,,,so my scissors are not the smoothest in the world and the cards are a little off. Jbasser recommends a paper cutter and that will probably be the way to go. Once you get the cards printed you can cut them and then they are ready to hand out. I use them at Wounded Warrior Events and whenever I run into another Vet , USO and Navy League functions. Our car club functions which also is made up of Veterans. Its easy to get a conversation going about the VA and I have not met one person who was very happy with the claims process. So,,,, below you will find the link from Hadit that I have saved and use to print my cards to hand out to get as many Veterans to Hadit as possible. Try it,,,,you will see how easy it is. Oh yes ..... I also tell every Veteran to NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C. hadit_com_pass_it_on_cards.pdf

Hello Vetswife,,,,,,Now that is some good news that we can all use. Congratulations for not giving up and hanging in there. It is time now to sit back , take a deep breath and maybe see if you can't go on a little vacation to give a break with this stuff. There are some other BIG benefits now ......too many to list as they are archived here. Please do a search engine on hadit for the benefits so you can see what they are. The main thing is you got the help you needed, and you prevailed because you PURSUED. NEVER GIVE UP , God Bless, C.C.

Hello Berta, Thank you for getting back. I agree 100 percent with you on the RO situation concerning the QTC report on examinations. Yes the lawyer is aware and has filed for a copy but look how long it has been and still nothing doing. It may be to my benefit to drive to the RO which is about 4 hours away and get a copy as this is really the fastest way. But with gas as high as it is it will be a 200.00 round trip. I sure like the idea of getting a veterans QTC reports on E benefits. Wouldn't that be easy and save alot of money and more important.....TIME. Yes we have a decision from the QTC reports or based off that report but like you said they have it and I don't. The other problem I have is that my VA doctors really don't know what is going on and have not had the benefit of knowing what the QTC reports have in them. This brings up more problems as how can the VA or any doctor really be able to treat a Veteran properly without it. It is a bad situation ready to get worse. It may be that the people you listed to write too should get a large volume of mail concerning these issues. After all they have been going on for a long time with nothing to remedy any of it. Berta you wrote "as long as a Veteran gets a NOD filed in a timely fashion, a claimant should end up having enough time to rebutt ...... That is my main concern right now. Because if we get a copy the time window will be small to respond and to CORRECTLY address all of the concerns that the QTC exam addressed or failed to address. One important thing I pointed out to my Examining Doctor. I BROUGHT THE VA PROGRESS REPORT SHOWING PULMONARY HYPERTENSION when he saw me. He said he had not seen it so it was not in the material that the VARO had sent him......HHHHmmmmmmmmm not good. He then read it and asked me when was the report and I showed him that . Now if he commented on that report then the VARO should have picked up on the Diagnosis of the PH and then just given the 100 percent. I am even more concerned about the report and what it says. Anyway Berta, Thank you for that great show and the answer to my question here. It is certainly pointing out problems that Veterans should be aware of that could easily hurt their claim. Still thru it all I will ......NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Hello Berta, Carlie and Bronco and Pete. Ok ,,,, I have a real problem starting to brew. My claims deadline is running hard for a NOD at the Regional Office and a Form 9 is filed for some other claims to Washington and a BVA. What you all have done is supplied some great insight to propel the claim under 38cfr 3.156 and nab the EED. I can see the "grey area" because the time lines are closing fast but heres what I am up against. So far there is neither hide nor hair of any of the 3 C and P exams by our wonderful QTC. Yup the lawyer has requested and we have a black hole answer. Like nearly 5-6 months and no reports. I have talked to her and expressed that we cannot establish any rebuttle because we have nothing to discuss with the VAMC or the Regional Office until we get those reports. Talk about makin some long problems and an INCOMPLETE report. I explained to the Lawyer that she can't write the NOD without the QTC reports........ALL of them. The NOD has to be able to address certain disesases that they have been awarded and that report must be used to be able to even carry on the EED to even a BVA APPEAL. I assume what you all are questioning is the fact that the 38CFR 3.156 is used in the medical records, making them"SMR"s and Medical records becoming part of the evidentiary file. Berta posted......38 C.F.R. § 3.156© provides that “if the VA receives or associates with the claims file relevant service department records at any time after the VA first decides the claim, the VA will reconsider the claim, including the issue of awarding an effective date back to filing of the original claim”. Ok ,,so here goes ...... this timeline is fast FAST running and we could end up out of time with the new evidence(QTC FAVORABLE EXAMS even with an Awards letter) to bring the claim up to speed and make the SMRs somewhat correct. Ok , so now the COPD /Restricted Lung disease gets rated ,,,,,BUT THEY MISSED THE PULMONARY HYPERTENSION , which is an automatic 100 percent P and T. The date of the Pulmonary Hypertension has already been established , but noone wanted to review the record . The RO took the high road and awarded part of it and that was 30 percent COPD/Restricted Lung diease award from DRO . Now like a diagnosis by 2 Cardio doctors using Heart Caths and of Pulmonary Hypertension was totally ignored. Now we are faced with an automatic 100 percent P and T for the Diagnosis with HEART CATH to June 23 , 2010. Ok so if the EED is looked at but the award for COPD/Restricted Lung disease is an NOD filed Mar 20, 2009. The PULMONARY HYPERTENSION FIRST diagnosis was June 23 , 2010 and a follow up on a VA Cardio Doctor used Sept. 2010 as another PULMONARY HYPERTENSION DIAGNOSIS, but it was with a Electrocardio Gram which is NOT AS ACCURATE AS THE HEART CATH done in June 23,2010. Hopefully they will use the Heart Cath one . BUT NOW WE MAY HAVE no SMRs or Incomplete ones as it seems. The Diagnostic Code 6604 is straight to the point of any lung disease that is service connected with a diagnosis of PULMONARY HYPERTENSION IS AUTOMATIC 100 PERCENT P and T. Now the original claim for any treatment of the lungs while in service were all listed in the Service Medical reports as URIs ....upper respiratory condition , and Flu like conditions. With Documented dates in 1971 thru 1973. NO EED here??????????? but still part of the SMRs according to you all. You see how important this discussion is. The record shows the part of the claims to be rated but the dates are not easy to dissect even with 38 cfr 3.156 because of the faulty decision or in this case NO decision on the Pulmonary Hypertension which should have been resultive and automatic. We have NO QTC evaluations reports but they were used to get part of the COPD/Restricted Lung disease award. Now without the phyisical evidence for the QTC examinations which seemed favorable due to the awards, there is not going to be any easy NOD and one that cannot make this 38 CFR happy because of the RO dragging their feet on this. Maybe they intentionally did it so as to hope I did not spot the Pulmonary Hypertension ,so No 100 Percent P and T award. Also wouldn't the missing QTC Lung Exams be a huge problem because it is time to turn in the arguments and timelines to be matched with Appeals and such. But how??? Incomplete records and there are INCOMPLETE SMRs with BIG Diagnosis problems which are going to HUGELY affect the SMRs, the Regional Offices and decisions THAT MUST BRING 100 percent P and T for Pulmonary Hypertension. I sure hope someone has an answer for me and one my lawyer can use to challege and still meet the deadlines. I really don't want to run to Regional office and request a copy of the QTC examinations at over 4 hours away. OH YES>....... I do not want another QTC examination to be requested to find out if I really have the Pulmonary Hypertension. I already have 2 diagnosis of PH done by them already. Ok ,,,,,,, thank you all for so much particiapation in the claims and the 38CFR 3.156 problem THANK YOU ALL.....Carlie, Berta, Bronco, Pete, This one has me not liking any of the possible remedies , but ......... As always I will NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C>

Hello Jon, Though I do not go to Baypines it seems that there is definetly confussion that runs thru the VA. I too would have been upset if the VA would have told me sorry , due to budget constraints we have to cancel your test. I would make sure that there are Directives that state that or a written law changed , because the VA MUST treat a Vet and if they can't they must supply and outsource or fee basis. I also would like to back up something concerning the VA and the difference between VBA and VHA. I have personally witnessed on several different occasions with Veterans going off on Doctors and Nurses within the VHA concerning their claims problems. Most Veterans do not realize the difference and they just suppose that the VA is the VA so they go off on the wrong folks. Yes , I have had a few doctors that were not doing their job and trying to mess with me because of the issues being nonservice connected at the time but they were few and far between. Sometimes the Veteran needs to remember the VA is comprised of 3 different groups and only one of them is involving their claims adjudication and usually is the one that makes life so difficult for our Veterans and their spouses and dependents. Thanks for your service Jon, NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Hello Vadds, I want to also thank you for working with our veterans and helping out. You and others in the VHA are unsung heroes. I for one have been in the VA health care system for about 12 years. Almost all of the Doctors and Nurses I have had were very fine folks and I owe them alot. Twice having them save my life. Many of these fine professionals were the ones who discovered the causes of my illnesses and had it not been for a couple of them I would still be going thru more testing without results or any diagnosis. You bring up a point that seems to be very common. The regulations will say one thing ,,,,the VBA part of it and then the Doctors and Nurses or clerks in the VAMCs, and clinics say another. Or the VHA. This seems to be happening alot and it actually should not be anything new to us. It is a very confusing situation and I have also had a couple of experiences where the regulations were not clear or had been changed and the VAMCs could not define the clear road to take. It is and has been my opinion and some others that the Regional offices and the VBA as a whole have too much power and that the VAMC and clinics and doctors like yourself really have their hands tied. In reality it should be that the Doctors should be able to define the care and the need. Not untrained clerks in Regional offices or VBA heirarchy, which wield power to trump or stop the diagnosis or even treatment that trained medical personnel could give. It is so sad and results in improper power struggles especially since the Hippocratic Oath that all doctors have chosen to take to care for the patient and those sick runs up against the beauracracy and the mindset of those outside of this group of folks who only are concerned about budget not the patient. Running contrary to those like yourself who have sworn to themselves to try and cure and help those in affliction. I wish it would change but it involves the almighty dollar and it must be frustrating for folks like you who run into this and can't really treat your patients the way you would like. What I also have experienced is that the treatment for nonservice connected veterans is looked at differently by the doctors as compared to service connected. This is probably also a part of the problem I have explained above. They certainly did not tell me there was going to be any problems like this when I entered the military. I did not ever have to try to get dental work done so I cannot comment on the implant possibility though I now may be able to look at the regulations to use it as I am now service connected. My hat is off to you sir. Thank you again. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Hello Carlie and John.....Thank you for the information that is CORRECT. It is also covered in the Directive I posted. Meat and Potatoes Carlie...... you go girl. Hello Vadds thank you for your service . NEVER GIVE UP . God Bless, C.C.

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Hello Grent, Please read the following carefully and page 12 will deal with the fee basis process. As you will see you must be either 100 percent P and T or TDIU. OR have a service connected disability that leads or causes the problem with your teeth that you can link it too. There are a couple of other possiblities listed but you have to meet the criteria described. It looks like if you follow the guidelines you may be able to do it, though plan on at least 2 months to get the approval , due to the fee basis approval situtation. You may have to get a VA dental exam to see if they can recommend it. It is all there in the directive. Like I said in an earlier post ,,,,,I go to Progresso Mexico. It is the haven for retired and Veterans folks from all over the United States and you will see that walking the street across the bridge. Lots of Veterans go there and get their teeth worked on because it is so cheep. Many "Winter Texans" come down for their vacation once a year and go over there. It is a well known national phenomene. I am only at 40 percent so I do not qualify. Hopefully you can meet the criteria but if not , I would plan a vacation and head to South Texas and Progresso ......you might run in to some other Vets you know. Count on spending only 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of United States Prices on everything. It is only a short walk of 50 yards across the bridge to the first dentist , and mine is about 200 yard walk. There are about 300 to choose from . The Dental Mecca of the World. Anyway hope this helps. And Good Luck with getting the Dental Implants. NEVER GIVE UP . God Bless, C.C. DENTAL REGS FOR VA.pdf

Hello,,, John and Pete......Philip Rogers, Jon, and Gent. I just got back from Progresso outside of Weslaco. Parked at the bridge and walked the 200 to 300yards to my dentist to get my teeth cleaned. 30.00 and he said everything looked fine. I go back in about 5-6 months . I have been going for about 3 to 4 years . Ok so lets say you need a crown or implants it runs about 7 for the crown and implants about 1200. We are talking new equipement and perfect English . Educated at the University of New York school of dentisty. Send me a private email and I will give you his name and information and phone numbers . Lots of Vets and seniors down in Progresso because it is still a real bargain. Just thought I would throw this out there for our vets and families. Oh yea it is solid dentist and lots of them ,,,,including orthodontist for braces.....Oh yea ,,,, I love going down there to get fixed up, no pain , fast and I can go home pretty quick.. Hope this helps.....Remember .....NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless. C.C.

Hello Cool and Stretch.... Thanks Stretch for getting that link to work for Cool.... ' Cool , Please remember that just because your ship is not on the list does not mean that it does not have asbestos. You can get this information from other sources and buddy statements will also help. It is just like Fort Greely not showing up on the AO list . However there is more than enough reports to prove that it was. Even in the Agent Orange report from the 49th Missile defense command that was released from the Environmental Impact on 2007 report ,,,,,,there are great pictures of the Asbestos piping that was at Fort Greely. As a matter of fact the report is even more condemning of the fact it was there as the pictures show extreme problems with it and even the buildings and numbers themselves. I would attack and pursue this with all the vigor and force I could muster. You will be surprised what the search may uncover in your favor. As always NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C. ......HAPPY EASTER

Hello Cool, Though there has been some discussion on this issue and some list have even been listed at Hadit on previous post you may have to do some research. Our own Berta and Terry Sturgis have had some links that I found here . Also our JBasser has an SVR Radio Program Archived here so that you can research and find it. I will post these and another one that needs to be here that is fairly specific to the presence of Asbestos. http://www.maacenter...ites/navyships/ http://www.publichea...stos/index.asap NATURALLY THE VA site has an error but it is archived here under the Asbestos search http://www.reagan.ut...egislation1.pdf http://www.mesotheli.../shipyards.html Check on list for ships and open that site or whatever else that might be of interest . I hope this will help and get you some of the information you are seeking. You may also list the ships you were on and see if the VA will check any list they have as to the year built and such. Most ships built prior to the mid 70s were almost assured of having asbestos and the Navy usually accepts this. So having some of this data as listed in your claim could be used to propel your claim . Especially coupled with any more evidence you may be able to generate to add to it. As you know by now, it is evidence that wins and nothing else. As always making sure you do not quit is important and that you should NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Hello Berta,,,,, Happy Easter Girl...... I really like what you put as having an "evidence list" here for having any evidence listed with the Claim or an answer to a Regional Office decision. It is just easier to literally connect those dots and make it so simple that a even a "Caveman can do it." It also gives to acknowledgement of evidence when or if it does get to that level of BVA or CAVC so that they would probably even be able to comment on to receive a possible favorable decision. I have also used this though it did not have a chance to get to the BVA yet .....it will be going there as part of the Cfile on some issues that are now under appeal and going there. Berta ,,,thank you for all you do and your tireless study . You help so many , including me . Happy Easter to you and your family. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.