Arrested At Roanoke Varo

[Cruinthe]

I friend and I went into the Roanoke VARO yesterday to request a DRO hearing on his claim. In the lobby was one, and only one, person. As soon as my friend and I sat in the lobby, this person sat next to us and began talking about the problems he was having with the VA. He asked for my advice on what to do. I told him the first thing he should do is request a copy of his C&P file. He asked how he could do that, I told him to fill out the standard 4138 and submit it to the clerk. He did so, and within minutes three armed federal protective service guards showed up with two level 8 VA managers. The captain of the detail kept his hand on his service pistol the whole time. The "charge" was solicitation. As soon as my lawyers file the charges against the guilty parties, I will release the hidden camera footage to the media. Should be interesting.

[carlie]

After reading the articles I hope your attorney rips them a new one !

[johnjjr]

Carlie,

I totally agree that the VA screwed up Cruinthe's claim just as they screw up hundreds of claims every day. But I honestly don't think this is the one case that will solve the problem. If you read the first post in this topic you will notice that he said that 3 federal security guards showed up. Not VA police, but FEDERAL security. The VARO only leases office space in the building. It is a federal building with policies mandated by the feds and security provided by the feds. It is obvious from his posts that he did at least once deliberately violate federally mandated policy. His lawyer will have a tough time explaining that away. And in the meanwhile, the VA can crawl back in their hole and continue to screw up claims.

JMHO

[71M10]

Cruinthe,

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

I think you have very good intentions, but as a Chaplain I used to work for stated "the Road to Hell is Paved in Good Intentions!"

The VA will use every legalism they can muster to persecute you. As a fellow board member pointed out they may pursue this through a Proxy just as they did with Keith Roberts.

Your hidden camera may not be a life preserver but a stone tied around your neck (if you don't have press credentials get them).

The fact that you don't charge may not make a difference.

Please secure competent legal representation.

Best regards,

Tyler

[jbasser]

Read the Roberts story, onece they get their claws into you then they really make you bleed.http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/node/1573

They got roberts on a mail fraud case which was totally bull.

J

Edited August 19, 2010 by jbasser

[Cruinthe]

"BTW, just a little question: Are you being treated at the VA for your psychiatric problems? They have pretty good programs already in place. Group Therapy and the like, where you can bring your problems out into the open and discuss them with others."

Do I sound like someone that works well in groups!? But seriously, I attended an in-patient PTSD program back in 2002. Within 15 minutes I was able to identify a good number of VA informants posing as "patients" and since I tend to be vocal about such things, I was kicked out in short order. Oh, and if anyone thinks the VA does not use informants, please refer to 38 C.F.R. § 1.496. Remember kiddies, things are much, MUCH worse than you think they are.

" If you read the first post in this topic you will notice that he said that 3 federal security guards showed up. Not VA police, but FEDERAL security."

So, six of one of half a dozen of the other? Did you happen to see the part about the TWO Level 8 VA supervisors? And said supervisors barking orders TO the guards "put him against the wall, search him for weapons, take his bag and search it too". And lets also remember I already passed through the U.S. Marshals screening on the way in. This was intimidation, pure and simple. An attempt to elicit a violent response from me. And it failed...miserably. And now the VA will pay the price for their lack of vision.

"The above having been said, in my own humble opinion, your problem stems from a continued confrontational attitude with the VA"

I warn every veteran, officially, that holding our own to an impossibly high standard while paying little to no attention to the massive incredible and spectacular travesties that the VA perpetrates on us...will the ruin of us all. Once you start dancing to the VAs tune, you have no hope.

Under the Constitution, I have the right to FREE SPEECH, and the right to FREE ASSOCIATION. These are not negotiable, least of all with the VA.

Thanks for all the support all, I will be on Startdust Radio tomorrow at noon EST.

Updates to follow!

[Bravo6]

Cruinthe,

I have given much thought to your posts. It seems to me that there are some facts members of this board unfamiliar with the Roanoke VARO need to fairly judge this situation.

Fact # 1. The VARO occupies the 8th thru the 14th floors of the Poff Federal Building in Roanoke, VA.

Fact # 2. The lower floors house the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Virginia. Also the U.S. Marshals Service.

Fact # 3. Being a Federal Court House, there are strict No Soliciting and No Cameras allowed policies posted. Violaters may be prosecuted.

Fact # 4. There is only one public entrance to the building. Upon entry you are screened just like at an airport. Empty pockets, belongings searched for contraband, walk through metal detector, retrieve belongings and be on your way.

The above having been said, in my own humble opinion, your problem stems from a continued confrontational attitude with the VA. You may speak to anyone in the VA waiting area who wishes to speak to you. I have done it numerous times without reprisal. But you crossed the line by passing out your business cards which was a clear and undisputable violation of the NO SOLICITATION policy. As for the recordings, I think every member of this board knows VA policy on that subject and it might just come back to haunt you.

Cruinthe.......answer #3 posed to you by Johnjjr! Great points Johnjjr!!

I think #3 will put you in JAIL, IMHO! Because you ADMITTED to bring in a hidden camera!

We (me) are awaiting a response! *popping popcorn*

B6

Edited August 19, 2010 by Bravo6