I'm getting ready to file, after 20 years, for secondary claims. I have waited 20 years because I wanted my current service-connected rating to be protected. I have anxiety and trust Issues, amongst other things, and wanted to go through the process knowing that my current rating was protected. Now I do know that the VA can reduce a rating after twenty years if they can prove fraud. Which is definitely not the case here. Can they also possibly reduce your rating if they initially rated you under the wrong code?
Anyway, a friend of mine, that is also a service-connected veteran, told me that I'm crazy for wanting to file again and open up that "can of worms." He told me that he has heard of a good number of veterans, that were past the 20-year rule mark, getting reduced by the VA. Now I know that he had a very difficult time with the VA when he was going through the system back in the late 90's or early 2000's. He is also pretty paranoid. Especially when it comes to the VA. And admittedly, I have to say that I'm untrusting of the process as well. Which is why I've waited 20 years. My biggest fear by far is getting reduced below 50% (I'm at 70% now). If that happens I'll lose my concurrent receipt, which would be financially devastating for me. My heart is already pounding!
For my own peace of mind, has anyone ever heard of, or have first-hand knowledge of, the VA not adhering to the 20-year rule and reducing a rating?
These decisions have made a big impact on how VA disability claims are handled, giving veterans more chances to get benefits and clearing up important issues.
Service Connection
Frost v. Shulkin (2017)
This case established that for secondary service connection claims, the primary service-connected disability does not need to be service-connected or diagnosed at the time the secondary condition is incurred 1. This allows veterans to potentially receive secondary service connection for conditions that developed before their primary condition was officially service-connected.
Saunders v. Wilkie (2018)
The Federal Circuit ruled that pain alone, without an accompanying diagnosed condition, can constitute a disability for VA compensation purposes if it results in functional impairment 1. This overturned previous precedent that required an underlying pathology for pain to be considered a disability.
Effective Dates
Martinez v. McDonough (2023)
This case dealt with the denial of an earlier effective date for a total disability rating based on individual unemployability (TDIU) 2. It addressed issues around the validity of appeal withdrawals and the consideration of cognitive impairment in such decisions.
I met with a VSO today at my VA Hospital who was very knowledgeable and very helpful. We decided I should submit a few new claims which we did. He told me that he didn't need copies of my military records that showed my sick call notations related to any of the claims. He said that the VA now has entire military medical record on file and would find the record(s) in their own file. It seemed odd to me as my service dates back to 1981 and spans 34 years through my retirement in 2015. It sure seemed to make more sense for me to give him copies of my military medical record pages that document the injuries as I'd already had them with me. He didn't want my copies. Anyone have any information on this. Much thanks in advance.
Caluza Triangle – Caluza vs Brown defined what is necessary for service connection. See COVA– CALUZA V. BROWN–TOTAL RECALL
This has to be MEDICALLY Documented in your records:
Current Diagnosis. (No diagnosis, no Service Connection.)
In-Service Event or Aggravation.
Nexus (link- cause and effect- connection) or Doctor’s Statement close to: “The Veteran’s (current diagnosis) is at least as likely due to x Event in military service”
VA has gotten away with (mis) interpreting their ambigious, , vague regulations, then enforcing them willy nilly never in Veterans favor.
They justify all this to congress by calling themselves a "pro claimant Veteran friendly organization" who grants the benefit of the doubt to Veterans.
This is not true,
Proof:
About 80-90 percent of Veterans are initially denied by VA, pushing us into a massive backlog of appeals, or worse, sending impoverished Veterans "to the homeless streets" because when they cant work, they can not keep their home. I was one of those Veterans who they denied for a bogus reason: "Its been too long since military service". This is bogus because its not one of the criteria for service connection, but simply made up by VA. And, I was a homeless Vet, albeit a short time, mostly due to the kindness of strangers and friends.
Hadit would not be necessary if, indeed, VA gave Veterans the benefit of the doubt, and processed our claims efficiently and paid us promptly. The VA is broken.
A huge percentage (nearly 100 percent) of Veterans who do get 100 percent, do so only after lengthy appeals. I have answered questions for thousands of Veterans, and can only name ONE person who got their benefits correct on the first Regional Office decision. All of the rest of us pretty much had lengthy frustrating appeals, mostly having to appeal multiple multiple times like I did.
I wish I know how VA gets away with lying to congress about how "VA is a claimant friendly system, where the Veteran is given the benefit of the doubt". Then how come so many Veterans are homeless, and how come 22 Veterans take their life each day? Va likes to blame the Veterans, not their system.
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harry59
Hello everyone,
I'm getting ready to file, after 20 years, for secondary claims. I have waited 20 years because I wanted my current service-connected rating to be protected. I have anxiety and trust Issues, amongst other things, and wanted to go through the process knowing that my current rating was protected. Now I do know that the VA can reduce a rating after twenty years if they can prove fraud. Which is definitely not the case here. Can they also possibly reduce your rating if they initially rated you under the wrong code?
Anyway, a friend of mine, that is also a service-connected veteran, told me that I'm crazy for wanting to file again and open up that "can of worms." He told me that he has heard of a good number of veterans, that were past the 20-year rule mark, getting reduced by the VA. Now I know that he had a very difficult time with the VA when he was going through the system back in the late 90's or early 2000's. He is also pretty paranoid. Especially when it comes to the VA. And admittedly, I have to say that I'm untrusting of the process as well. Which is why I've waited 20 years. My biggest fear by far is getting reduced below 50% (I'm at 70% now). If that happens I'll lose my concurrent receipt, which would be financially devastating for me. My heart is already pounding!
For my own peace of mind, has anyone ever heard of, or have first-hand knowledge of, the VA not adhering to the 20-year rule and reducing a rating?
Thanks to all that respond. Much appreciated!
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There's basically only two reasons they can reduce a Veteran with 20 years in One is they can prove freud and the other is he was convicted of a crime and was in prison over 60 days. They
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Harry59 You're good to go, Buck is right. After 20 years, the only way they reduce would be due to fraud. If you have additional evidence of having symptoms for 20 years, how would they possibly show
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