Paid Fraudulent DBQ question

[AllTheWay]

Being that DBQ's are being phased out due to paid fraudulent DBQ's, what will the VA do for people that had paid for DBQ's from the past? Will they investigate to see who had paid for DBQ's? For the people that had paid for them, will the VA order a C&P exam to try to reduce people that had paid for DBQ's? What if people that had paid for DBQ's and received 100% P&T?

IMO they may try something in that nature but the VA system is already back logged, when will they have time to perform such actions.

What about private IMO's/IME's that people had paid big bucks for? Will the VA try to shoot that down next?

SMH. I have not paid for a DBQ or an IMO/IME but  I have sure considered it.

 

Your thoughts Hadit brothers and sisters.

[brokensoldier244th]

They should have. Based on how vsrs are trained in the last few years and the M21 everything you listed is required and part of what they are checked on every two weeks by random sample of their claims worked and in process.

 

If that's not what happened with you I'm sorry- either you had a crappy vsr(and they are fired every day) or the claim you are talking about is from before training standards were changed. They are constantly updated, it's not like there is an evil plot to make your life hard. You act like no one is trying to fix the problem and that's not true. That's all I can say. I'm sorry.

[brokensoldier244th]

3 minutes ago, Sgt. Wilky said:

For the VA to claim that fraud (I really have no doubt it happens on occasion) is the reason why they're discontinuing the availability of DBQs is a severe case of cognitive dissonance and is the height of hypocrisy.

Just my humble opinion though.

Sgt. Wilky

Stop fixating on that as the only reason. I posted the report. That's not what it says.

[Sgt. Wilky]

49 minutes ago, brokensoldier244th said:

Stop fixating on that as the only reason. I posted the report. That's not what it says.

You're right, I'm just blowing steam. I'm still wrapping my head around why they will still use it to judge a vet, but (it seems to me) that any evidence a vet submits will be carefully scrutinized to deny the vet their claim. I have two binders stacked full of paperwork from the VA. The BVA judge looked at me and my wife and VSO in July of 2015 and apologized to me and said I never should have waited over 8 years for my claim to be approved. Of course this was before DBQs I believe. I remember when DBQs came out and how everyone was happy to have an equal playing field when it came to submitting evidence. I know it didn't turn out that way brokensoldier244th. I guess I'm still just a little twerked about it and life moves on!

[El Train]

Get a copy of the VA DBQ.  Then take it to your DR. and have them write up an IME.  They can cover everything from there.  That's what I did.  Not like I've had a VA C&P examiner do a 20 minute exam, skip questions, fail to ask the question but put their opinion, state no in service incident when there is a whole page of the incident in my smr's, or opines the disability resolved itself while still getting treatment for it to this day, etc.  An outside DR. can fill in the blanks or point out errors.  It's just a second opinion, that's all.  VA has a tuff job and are overloaded.  They should appreciate the help.  I stated this on the other forum; well they didn't see things my way.  At all!  That's too bad.  For them.  

[Hucast21]

32 minutes ago, El Train said:

Get a copy of the VA DBQ.  Then take it to your DR. and have them write up an IME.  They can cover everything from there.  That's what I did.  Not like I've had a VA C&P examiner do a 20 minute exam, skip questions, fail to ask the question but put their opinion, state no in service incident when there is a whole page of the incident in my smr's, or opines the disability resolved itself while still getting treatment for it to this day, etc.  An outside DR. can fill in the blanks or point out errors.  It's just a second opinion, that's all.  VA has a tuff job and are overloaded.  They should appreciate the help.  I stated this on the other forum; well they didn't see things my way.  At all!  That's too bad.  For them.  

The other forum seems more pro VA than veteran.

I can understand that VA and its staff are overloaded and overworked, but when us veterans have an in-service incident/illness in our SMR’s, current diagnosis from a VA doctor, and VA records showing continuing treatment and still be denied because of an unfavorable C&P exam from VA providers or contractors (which is a conflict of interest).

It begs the question if the VA is truly non-adversarial. Frankly, from my experience, the VA is the definition of adversarial. The VA does not even follow its own CFR’s and picks and chooses when & where to apply the law imo.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Hucast21

[GBArmy]

El Train has the formula that will work for a lot of claims. i expect it is likely going to be the way to go, unless the pressure  from the VFW and other big time VSO's makes the VA reconsider and re-post the dbq's on line. The difficult part will be developing a source to get copies of the various dbq's. I hope the elders/moderators give that some thought. An idea would be have people submit blank copies and they are indexed somewhere on Hadit. Of course, other sources may have them available, but we don't know them yet.