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What items did you receive thru Voc Rehab ILP

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What items have you received through Voc Rehab?

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Yes I got

  1. Step stool to get in and out of car
  2. Kitchen height adjustable so I can sit at my countertops to prep food.
  3. Prescription dispenser with alarm.
  4. Lumbar cushion for Van.
  5. Lift Chair they picked out PerfectSleepChair.com 
  6. Zero Gravity Workstation they are offering this one http://www.ergoquest.com/zero-gravity-workstation-0.html
  7. Mobility Scooter

I had to return the Zero Gravity Workstation it tipped over with me in it the first time I used it. So I have in a new request for a different type of chair and desk. I also requested a laptop and a bathroom in the basement. Waiting to hear on approval of those items.

It's been a slow process but productive.

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Kitchen Stool

Digital Pill Box Organizer

Memory foam car seat cushion

Zero-Gravity Workstation

Mobility Scooter

 

  • The zero-gravity workstation I requested was delivered, but it collapsed and threw me out the first time I used it, crushing my computer.
  • I had it picked up the next day and provided my counselor with the return receipt.
  • Unbeknownst to me, my counselor had gone on emergency leave, and it was pretty apparent that I had fallen through the cracks. After I complained, someone called, and then I went through two counselors within a week of the first phone call. My third counselor told his supervisor that he was unaware that I had returned the workstation. I provided the return receipt again, along with the date and time I sent it to my original counselor.
  • I asked them to replace it with a computer from a different manufacturer, which seems to be built better. I am still waiting. I asked for a computer to replace the one that was broken, and they told me they weren’t an insurance company.
  • My original counselor told me they could help me put a bathroom in the basement where my room is. She had me jump through all kinds of hoops, apply for HISA, The HISA grant was approved but couldn’t find anyone to do the job for that amount of money. She told me to apply for SAH and SHA, and even though I told her I didn’t qualify, she said it was just part of the process. The new counselor says no, they won’t help with the bathroom.

So, this has been going on since 2019. I had my lawyer send them a letter and I had my congressman contact them, So now they say it’s a high priority, but who knows. I’ll keep you posted.

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I went through Voc Rehab about 10 or more years ago, they bought me a very nice office chair which lasted 10 years before starting to fall apart. They also bought me some desks.

I've been approved a second time and am waiting to see what they will provide. I've had the home visit and got all my paperwork signed off by my doctor, but you know hurry up and wait.

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I cant answer PERSONALLY, because my ILP was denied, and I didnt persue appeals at that time.  You have to apply for ILP through Voc Rehab, which I did, and the VARO confused ILP with Voc rehab and denied.  

According to this, you should even be able to get recreational items:

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VAOPGCPREC 34-97 while researching BVA Citation Nr: 0929636 8/7/2009

States that the VR&E (Secretary) must afford the Services & Assistance deemed necessary-even those Recreational in nature.

One Veteran reported getting these items for ILP:

1.  Memory Foam Mattress Topper
2. Adjustable Hospital Type Chair to sit in while in the Kitchen working.
3. Electric Can Opener with tool to open Pop tops.
4.  Non-slip Shower Mat
5.  Shower Head with hose so that I can rinse off different areas of my body and not have to stand directly under a shower nozzle.
4. Sony VAIO Laptop Computer with carrying case, Microsoft Office 2007, Anti-virus, extended service plan / warranty.
5. Planning Calendar / Planner
6. Roland Fantom G8 Workstation / Keyboard / Synthesizer for music therapy to help with memory, depression, PTSD, etc. $3500.00
7. Roland Amplifier for Piano $600.00
8.  Stand for keyboard  $100.00
9. Stool for Keyboard $80.00
10. Headphones for keyboard $140.00
11. Lift Chair / Recliner with Infra-red heat, massage, lumbar support that raises lowers and reclines by remote attached to chair.  $1400.00

Another Veteran got a lawn tractor and items worth 20,000.  

Alex took much longer because he appealed the size of the greenhouse, but you should get stuff within a year.  

 

 


 

 

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Date:  November 5, 1997                                                   VAOPGCPREC 34-97

 

From:  Acting General Counsel (021)

 

Subj: Request for opinion concerning application of 38 U.S.C. § 3104(b) (Xxxxxxxxx, Xxxxxxx X. X XX XXX XXX)

 

  To:  Acting Chairman, Board of Veterans’ Appeals (01C)

 

QUESTION PRESENTED

 

Does 38 U.S.C. § 3104(b) or any other statute or regulation, e.g., Department of Labor Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and associated regulations, either require or preclude VA from assisting appellant in purchasing a computer and related materials for recreational activities?

 

DISCUSSION

 

1. Our understanding of the relevant facts is as follows.  The veteran is rated as 100 percent disabled due to quadriplegia resulting from a gunshot wound sustained while on active duty.  At various times thereafter, he received VA educational assistance benefits under the Vietnam Era GI Bill (chapter 34, title 38, United States Code) and vocational rehabilitation benefits (chapter 31, title 38, United States Code).  This assistance enabled him to obtain college degrees and successfully undertake employment as a stockbroker.  Subsequently, he was forced to give up that employment due to factors associated with his medical condition.

 

2. The veteran now seeks further vocational rehabilitation assistance; i.e., independent living services under 38 U.S.C. § 3120.  More specifically, he asks for a computer, with associated software and training, to enable him to access other similarly circumstanced disabled individuals, to publish a financial newsletter, to “keep a medications and appointments log, and allow [him] to communicate electronically with the VA and other medical organizations.”  Appeal Letter of the veteran, dated November 8, 1995.

 

3. The regional office involved denied the claimed assistance on the basis that, while such services may improve his quality of life they would not “enable [him] to function more independently than . . . previously demonstrated with [his] family or community, or, with a reduced level of assistance from others.” Statement of the Case, October 6, 1995.  The veteran then filed this appeal.

 

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4. One of the express purposes of the chapter 31 vocational rehabilitation program is to “provide for all services and assistance necessary to enable veterans with service-connected disabilities to achieve maximum independence in daily living . . . .”  38 U.S.C. § 3100.  The term “independence in daily living”  means “the ability of a veteran, without the services of others or with a reduced level of the services of others, to live and function within such veteran’s family and community.”  38 U.S.C. § 3101(2).

 

5. Section 3101(4) of title 38, United States Code, defines a “program of independent living services” as including the services “needed” to “achieve maximum independence in daily living,” which services also are mentioned in section 3104(a)(15) as among those which the Secretary is authorized to provide. (See, also, 38 U.S.C. § 3120(d).)  Thus, on its face, chapter 31 grants VA a great deal of discretion in determining the nature and scope of services needed by a veteran in an independent living services program.

 

6. The issue before us concerns whether that broad discretion, nevertheless, is circumscribed as a matter of current law to exclude the provision of services and assistance that would enable a veteran to participate in recreational activity.

 

7. Plainly, no such preclusion existed when the chapter 31 independent living program was enacted in 1980.  Then, as at the time of the instant case, subsection 3104(b) of that chapter provided that “[a] program of independent living services and assistance may include the types of services and assistance described in section 702 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C.
§ 796a),” and recreational activities were expressly listed among those described services.  In 1992, however, section 702 of the Rehabilitation Act was repealed (Pub. L. No. 102-569, title VII, § 701(1), (2), Oct. 29, 1992), with no conforming change to the section 702 reference found in section 3104(b).  Moreover, the latter section’s provisions on independent living services themselves were eliminated in 1996 (Pub. L. No. 104-275, § 101(d)(2), Oct. 9, 1996).  Thus, on the surface, the law applicable to the veteran’s claim for assistance, which was made in 1995, after the 1992 elimination of section 702 and before the 1996 elimination of section 3104(b), does appear somewhat murky.

 

8. Our research discloses that, although section 702 was repealed, the same law that did so actually broadened the scope of authorized independent living
services within a new definition of those services under section 7(30)(B) of
the Rehabilitation Act, as amended.  Subclause (xiii) of that new definition
expressly lists “individual and group social and recreational services” within <Page 3>

the meaning of “independent living services.”  Thus, the recognition of recreational activities as a component of independent living services under non-VA vocational rehabilitation programs governed by that Act continued unabated.

 

9. We have not found in the 1992 legislative history for the Rehabilitation Act amendments, or elsewhere, an explanation for Congress’ omission of a conforming change to subsection 3104(b), replacing the obsolete section 702 Rehabilitation Act reference with the new section 7(30)(B) reference.  Nevertheless, when Congress originally enacted subsection 3104(b), it patently intended to authorize the Secretary to provide independent living services of the same nature as authorized by the Rehabilitation Act, and we find nothing in the 1992 amendment to that Act suggesting any intent to alter the scope of the chapter 31 authority.

 

10. We, likewise, have found no congressional discussion concerning the 1996 elimination of the subsection 3104(b) provisions on independent living services.  Yet, given the broad, general chapter 31 mandate to provide those services, we see no reasonable basis to interpret the 1996 amendment to section 3104(b) as barring the Secretary’s exercise of discretion in providing chapter 31 assistance of the nature described in the Rehabilitation Act.

 

11. Instead, the plain congressional directive of the current law is that the Secretary must afford the services and assistance deemed necessary to accomplish the broad statutory program objective of enabling eligible veterans to achieve maximum independence in daily living.  Thus, if the Secretary considers a particular service necessary to enable the individual to participate in family and community activities, even when those activities are recreational in nature, that service may be included as an appropriate part of an individual’s independent living program.

 

12. Of course, both the relevant facts presented and the exercise of professional judgment will determine the nature and extent of services needed to develop a particular veteran’s capacity to participate in appropriate recreational activities as a necessary component of achieving independent living goals.  In that regard, we sense some concern that the services sought here -- provision of a computer and associated hardware -- potentially could be used solely for recreational purposes despite the veteran’s representation that they will primarily be used for daily living communications associated with nonrecreational aspects of his life.  We note, however, that the same could be said of the potential use for many other services routinely provided to a disabled veteran (e.g., a wheelchair could be used to <Page 4>

engage in wheelchair basketball; training in Braille could result in reading novels for pleasure; etc.).  Moreover, unlike the GI Bill, for example, which generally bars education benefits for recreational purposes (38 U.S.C. § 3680A(a)(3)), services to enable or enhance recreational capabilities, as previously mentioned, can be a beneficial and necessary element of an effective chapter 31 independent living program.

 

13. In any event, the test is not whether the service may be used for recreational purposes, but rather, whether it furthers the ability of the particular veteran to become independent.  This is an adjudication issue to be determined in the individual case, not a matter for this office to decide.

 

HELD

 

1. No statute or regulation, including section 702 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and its associated regulations, either specifically directs VA to authorize or precludes VA from authorizing services and assistance of a recreational nature as a component of an eligible veteran’s program of independent living services and assistance under 38 U.S.C. § 3120.

 

2. VA has the authority, and responsibility, to provide all services and assistance deemed necessary on the facts of the particular case to enable an eligible veteran participating in such a program to live and function independently in his or her family and community without, or with a reduced level of, the services of others.  This includes the authority to approve, when appropriate, services and assistance that are in whole or part recreational in character when the services are found to be needed to enable or enhance the veteran’s ability to engage in family and community activities integral to the veteran’s achieving his or her independent living program goals.

 

 

 

 

Robert E. Coy

 

 

 

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I am writing my memoirs and would love it if you could help a shipmate out and look at it.

I've had a few challenges, perhaps the same as you. I relate them here to demonstrate that we can learn, overcome, and find purpose in life.

The stories can be harrowing to read; they were challenging to live. Remember that each story taught me something I would need once I found my purpose, and my purpose was and is HadIt.com Veterans.

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Way Back around 2000 I first got 50% and join the ILP, THEY GAVE ME A PHONE THAT WHEN IT RINGS IT LITE UP RED, THEY GAVE ME A SMOKE DETECTOR,(ALARM) A REACH GRAB BAR, AND  SET OF WIRELESS RECHARGEABLE HEAD PHONES, AND SOME TYPE OF CONTRAPTION CALLED SOCK PULLER UPPER.

SHOULD I HAD KNOWN I'D ASK FOR A NICE RECLINER  THE KIND THAT RAISES UP  AND A COMPUTER -LAP-TOP...AND MAYBE A RIDING LAWN MOWER...BUT I THINK THEY DON'T GET THE RIDING LAWN MOWERS ANY MORE.

don't hurt to ask for anything you need that makes life somewhat better for you.

if they decline  (APPEAL)just have to keep on asking until someone gets these things for ya.

I am not an Attorney or VSO, any advice I provide is not to be construed as legal advice, therefore not to be held out for liable BUCK!!!

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